Told Ya' America Was A Center-Right Nation

[Brn2bfree]

"Washington (CNN) – A majority of Americans think the federal government poses a threat to rights of Americans, according to a new national poll.

Fifty-six percent of people questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Friday say they think the federal government's become so large and powerful that it poses an immediate threat to the rights and freedoms of ordinary citizens. Forty-four percent of those polled disagree.

The survey indicates a partisan divide on the question: only 37 percent of Democrats, 63 percent of Independents and nearly 7 in 10 Republicans say the federal government poses a threat to the rights of Americans."
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Those on the right believe Government based on 1. consent of the governed, 2. limited government…limited in purpose, but not weak: powerful in protecting rights, 3. responsible Constitutionalism: the government is responsible to the people, not responsible for them. (should not take on too many jobs.)

For those on the left, the government must become the Administrative State, involved in every aspect of our lives.

Looks like most folks have made their choice.

I agree that America is center to the Right...However, Obama and the Democrats are center to the left.

These two forces will have to meet sometime....There will only be one winner.

 

[Foxfyre]

That is what makes America the shining city on the hill.

What hill?

I feel obliged to tediously point out the obvious: America is not a City.

America is NOT NYC, and most Americans are pretty happy about that.

Come on Samson. Given the history of the metaphor, you have to cut some slack on that one.

In Matthew 5:14, Jesus told his followers: "You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden." His metaphor has been often used by American patriots to illustrate the great experiment that America has been.

John Winthrop included the metaphor in an address to the future Massachusetts Bay colonists. He stressed the responsibility that they had that their new community would be a "city upon a hill," watched by the world:

On 9 January 1961, President-Elect John F. Kennedy referred to Winthrop’s metaphor during an address delivered to the General Court of Massachusetts.

President Ronald Reagan used the metaphor in his 1984 acceptance of the Republic Party nomination[3] and in his 1989 farewell speech to the nation: “I've spoken of the shining city all my political life, but I don't know if I ever quite communicated what I saw when I said it. But in my mind it was a tall proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, wind-swept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace, a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity, and if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it and see it still.”

 

[NYcarbineer]

Center/right compared to what? Is there some established standard universal measure of what is 'the center'?

 

[PeterS]

"Washington (CNN) – A majority of Americans think the federal government poses a threat to rights of Americans, according to a new national poll.

After the experience of George 'Big Brother' Bush and Dick 'Waterboard' Cheney how is it ever American doesn't view government as a threat to our rights? Of course government is a threat; the right proved that emphatically...

 

[Bfgrn]

Center/right compared to what? Is there some established standard universal measure of what is 'the center'?

BINGO!!!

The 'center' has been hijacked and is now portrayed AS the views of the far right...

Proof? ANY Republican politician even slightly to the left of the party's extremist 'purity' position is challenged in primaries by far right candidates supported by Grover Norquist and the Club for Growth...



"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the Republican party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."
Barry Goldwater (R) – Late Senator & Father of the Conservative movement

 

[Foxfyre]

Center/right compared to what? Is there some established standard universal measure of what is 'the center'?

BINGO!!!

The 'center' has been hijacked and is now portrayed AS the views of the far right...

Proof? ANY Republican politician even slightly to the left of the party's extremist 'purity' position is challenged in primaries by far right candidates supported by Grover Norquist and the Club for Growth...

"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the Republican party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."
Barry Goldwater (R) – Late Senator & Father of the Conservative movement

So if those on the right believe in personal liberties, unalienable rights, personal responsibility and accountability, a free market economy, and want the government to secure their rights and then leave them alone to govern themselves, they have hijacked the center?

And anybody on the right, religious or not, who exercises his or her Constitutionally protected right to petition their government or ask for redress of grievances is dangerous? Do you feel the same about those on the Left--NAMBLA, PETA, Green Peace, Code Pink, American Atheists, ACORN, the ACLU etc. etc. etc. who do the same?

For your information, this country was founded on JudeoChristian principles and has remained a mostly religious nation for its entire history. The people's faith cannot be extricated from our laws, values, history, heritage, or symbolism. And yet in spite of all that, those states that operated as little theocracies have all given up those theocracies with no involvement or prodding from the Federal government. And no theocracy has developed within the Federal government. And every American then and now has been completely free to believe and think and express his/her opinion in any way he or she chooses without fear of any imposed consequence.

The American people, because they are a people who value their liberties, are stubbornly resistant to any radical group, left or right, who would presume to take away those liberties.

 

[Bfgrn]

Center/right compared to what? Is there some established standard universal measure of what is 'the center'?

BINGO!!!

The 'center' has been hijacked and is now portrayed AS the views of the far right...

Proof? ANY Republican politician even slightly to the left of the party's extremist 'purity' position is challenged in primaries by far right candidates supported by Grover Norquist and the Club for Growth...

"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the Republican party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."
Barry Goldwater (R) – Late Senator & Father of the Conservative movement

So if those on the right believe in personal liberties, unalienable rights, personal responsibility and accountability, a free market economy, and want the government to secure their rights and then leave them alone to govern themselves, they have hijacked the center?

And anybody on the right, religious or not, who exercises his or her Constitutionally protected right to petition their government or ask for redress of grievances is dangerous? Do you feel the same about those on the Left--NAMBLA, PETA, Green Peace, Code Pink, American Atheists, ACORN, the ACLU etc. etc. etc. who do the same?

For your information, this country was founded on JudeoChristian principles and has remained a mostly religious nation for its entire history. The people's faith cannot be extricated from our laws, values, history, heritage, or symbolism. And yet in spite of all that, those states that operated as little theocracies have all given up those theocracies with no involvement or prodding from the Federal government. And no theocracy has developed within the Federal government. And every American then and now has been completely free do believe and think and express his/her opinion in any way he or she chooses without fear of any imposed consequence.

The American people, because they are a people who value their liberties, is stubbornly resistant to any radical group, left or right, who would presume to take away those liberties.

You as an individual have every right to your personal beliefs. FYI, they are very similar to mine. BUT...the Republican Party doesn't represent those values. The GOP has been hijacked by the radical right AND the radical LEFT...who says so? REPUBLICANS...

The Hijacked GOP

 

[skookerasbil]

Center/right compared to what? Is there some established standard universal measure of what is 'the center'?

Here's all you have to know s0n................

.................nobody thinks like you do!!

A vast,vast majority of the country WILL NEVER think like the k00k fringe 21%ers ( and mental cases like this guy ^^ are a fringe of that fringe!!). America has been scared sh!tless in the past year watching public policy take a sharp left turn ( operative word is "sharp"). American progressivism has been exposed, particularly to those in the center who might have been a bit naive about it. They now see that it is nothing except a theory that when put into practice has hideous ramifications on our economic system. Too.......they realize that this k00ky concept of spending our way to prosperity is nothing but a sham and has NEVER, EVER been proven to be effective. Americans see a growing ball of sh!t and want to make sure it doesnt continue growing, thus, you see the unimaginable happening in places like New Jersey where a fiscal conservative is elected governor.

Obama got elected due to one reason and one reason only: the independents got hoodwinked and bamboozled into thinking the guy would govern as a DC outsider/centrist. Its quite that simple. The only people who ver thought this was about the country moving left are the internet k00ks and the miserable jerkoffs on TV with "off the air" level audiences like Keith Olbermann. ( who, by the way, looks like he got branded with a hot iron every time he comes on the air these days he's so hideously miserable watching his party implode one short year after bliss. Fcukking goofball doesnt know what hit him!!! )

 

[Foxfyre]

You as an individual have every right to your personal beliefs. FYI, they are very similar to mine. BUT...the Republican Party doesn't represent those values. The GOP has been hijacked by the radical right AND the radical LEFT...who says so? REPUBLICANS...

The Hijacked GOP

The GOP has not been hijacked by the radical right. If anything they have been hijacked by too many promoting or consenting to a leftist socialist agenda. And that is why they became alienated from their base and lost their majority in 2006 and took another drubbing in 2008. Those center right Americans that were their base were thoroughly disgusted with them and refused to support them.

The Tea Partiers and similar movements are doing their damndest to drag them back to the right and may in fact be successful in doing so. If they can, look for a GOP landslide in November and again in 2012. But if the GOP then again fails to govern as they campaign, I think they will be toast and will disappear as a major American poltical party.

Somehow, however, we have to keep this country from sliding into a socialist abyss to the point that it loses all the qualities that have made it the great nation that it is.

 

[Bfgrn]

Center/right compared to what? Is there some established standard universal measure of what is 'the center'?

Here's all you have to know s0n................

.................nobody thinks like you do!!

A vast,vast majority of the country WILL NEVER think like the k00k fringe 21%ers ( and mental cases like this guy ^^ are a fringe of that fringe!!). America has been scared sh!tless in the past year watching public policy take a sharp left turn ( operative word is "sharp"). American progressivism has been exposed, particularly to those in the center who might have been a bit naive about it. They now see that it is nothing except a theory that when put into practice has hideous ramifications on our economic system. Too.......they realize that this k00ky concept of spending our way to prosperity is nothing but a sham and has NEVER, EVER been proven to be effective. Americans see a growing ball of sh!t and want to make sure it doesnt continue growing, thus, you see the unimaginable happening in places like New Jersey where a fiscal conservative is elected governor.

Obama got elected due to one reason and one reason only: the independents got hoodwinked and bamboozled into thinking the guy would govern as a DC outsider/centrist. Its quite that simple. The only people who ver thought this was about the country moving left are the internet k00ks and the miserable jerkoffs on TV with "off the air" level audiences like Keith Olbermann.

Why is the only thing that moves when you speak is your anal sphincter?

The biggest group of voters disappointed in Obama so far are on the LEFT. He has governed to the right of what people voted for...

 

[skookerasbil]

Center/right compared to what? Is there some established standard universal measure of what is 'the center'?

Here's all you have to know s0n................

.................nobody thinks like you do!!

A vast,vast majority of the country WILL NEVER think like the k00k fringe 21%ers ( and mental cases like this guy ^^ are a fringe of that fringe!!). America has been scared sh!tless in the past year watching public policy take a sharp left turn ( operative word is "sharp"). American progressivism has been exposed, particularly to those in the center who might have been a bit naive about it. They now see that it is nothing except a theory that when put into practice has hideous ramifications on our economic system. Too.......they realize that this k00ky concept of spending our way to prosperity is nothing but a sham and has NEVER, EVER been proven to be effective. Americans see a growing ball of sh!t and want to make sure it doesnt continue growing, thus, you see the unimaginable happening in places like New Jersey where a fiscal conservative is elected governor.

Obama got elected due to one reason and one reason only: the independents got hoodwinked and bamboozled into thinking the guy would govern as a DC outsider/centrist. Its quite that simple. The only people who ver thought this was about the country moving left are the internet k00ks and the miserable jerkoffs on TV with "off the air" level audiences like Keith Olbermann.

Why is the only thing that moves when you speak is your anal sphincter?

The biggest group of voters disappointed in Obama so far are on the LEFT. He has governed to the right of what people voted for...

 

[skookerasbil]

 

[Bfgrn]

You as an individual have every right to your personal beliefs. FYI, they are very similar to mine. BUT...the Republican Party doesn't represent those values. The GOP has been hijacked by the radical right AND the radical LEFT...who says so? REPUBLICANS...

The Hijacked GOP

The GOP has not been hijacked by the radical right. If anything they have been hijacked by too many promoting or consenting to a leftist socialist agenda. And that is why they became alienated from their base and lost their majority in 2006 and took another drubbing in 2008. Those center right Americans that were their base were thoroughly disgusted with them and refused to support them.

The Tea Partiers and similar movements are doing their damndest to drag them back to the right and may in fact be successful in doing so. If they can, look for a GOP landslide in November and again in 2012. But if the GOP then again fails to govern as they campaign, I think they will be toast and will disappear as a major American poltical party.

Somehow, however, we have to keep this country from sliding into a socialist abyss to the point that it loses all the qualities that have made it the great nation that it is.

This country is no where near any socialist agenda and Obama is no socialist. Republicans, who have been the dominate power for 30 years have almost destroyed America. The middle class is becoming extinct, and if current Republicans ever regain power, they will finish the job. You right wingers and your far right wing bullshit are the byproducts of propaganda pollution. Today, we are living in the smoking ruins of a failed revolution...the Reagan revolution.

Trickle down never happened...the wealth disparity today is identical to 1928...

Every lesson learned during the Great Depression and piece of legislation enacted to prevent that catastrophic event from happening again were basically removed, bypassed or not enforced by Republicans...

Radicals believe somehow human nature will evolve if they get their agenda enacted...it DOESN'T...

The SAME reasons we need regulations today existed in 1928
The SAME reasons we need unions today existed in 1928

The Robber Barons had their day, we don't need to give them a second chance...

 

[skookerasbil]

For curious viewers of this thread.......................

The 21%er k00ks who say that the folks are mad because the country hasnt gone left enough.................


ask yourself..................


Do you ever wake up in the morning and say, "Hey........today would be a great day to run up my credit card another 20 thousand dollars!!!!!"

 

[Super Saints]

The Republicans are out of power. Of course they're going to say that.

How about actually addressing why a center/right nation puts a LIBERAL in the Whitehouse, a left of center majority in the Senate, a left of center majority in the House, a left of center majority in Governorships, and a left of center majority in state legislatures.

How about you actually debate an issue and respond to that?

And how is that working out for you?

 

[Foxfyre]

You as an individual have every right to your personal beliefs. FYI, they are very similar to mine. BUT...the Republican Party doesn't represent those values. The GOP has been hijacked by the radical right AND the radical LEFT...who says so? REPUBLICANS...

The Hijacked GOP

The GOP has not been hijacked by the radical right. If anything they have been hijacked by too many promoting or consenting to a leftist socialist agenda. And that is why they became alienated from their base and lost their majority in 2006 and took another drubbing in 2008. Those center right Americans that were their base were thoroughly disgusted with them and refused to support them.

The Tea Partiers and similar movements are doing their damndest to drag them back to the right and may in fact be successful in doing so. If they can, look for a GOP landslide in November and again in 2012. But if the GOP then again fails to govern as they campaign, I think they will be toast and will disappear as a major American poltical party.

Somehow, however, we have to keep this country from sliding into a socialist abyss to the point that it loses all the qualities that have made it the great nation that it is.

This country is no where near any socialist agenda and Obama is no socialist. Republicans, who have been the dominate power for 30 years have almost destroyed America. The middle class is becoming extinct, and if current Republicans ever regain power, they will finish the job. You right wingers and your far right wing bullshit are the byproducts of propaganda pollution. Today, we are living in the smoking ruins of a failed revolution...the Reagan revolution.

Trickle down never happened...the wealth disparity today is identical to 1928...

Every lesson learned during the Great Depression and piece of legislation enacted to prevent that catastrophic event from happening again were basically removed, bypassed or not enforced by Republicans...

Radicals believe somehow human nature will evolve if they get their agenda enacted...it DOESN'T...

The SAME reasons we need regulations today existed in 1928
The SAME reasons we need unions today existed in 1928

The Robber Barons had their day, we don't need to give them a second chance...

I think you need to ask for a refund from whatever poli-sci course taught you this stuff.

 

[Foxfyre]

The Republicans are out of power. Of course they're going to say that.

How about actually addressing why a center/right nation puts a LIBERAL in the Whitehouse, a left of center majority in the Senate, a left of center majority in the House, a left of center majority in Governorships, and a left of center majority in state legislatures.

How about you actually debate an issue and respond to that?

And how is that working out for you?

The center/right helped put a LIBERAL in the Whitehouse because he flat out lied on almost everything he promised to do as President. And because he was young and good looking and had a real flair for schmooze, they believed him.

I doubt they'll be so easily fooled the next time around though.

 

[NYcarbineer]

[The GOP has not been hijacked by the radical right. If anything they have been hijacked by too many promoting or consenting to a leftist socialist agenda. And that is why they became alienated from their base and lost their majority in 2006 and took another drubbing in 2008. Those center right Americans that were their base were thoroughly disgusted with them and refused to support them.

Why do you people cling to this mythology? Every single Republican candidate who lost in 2006 and 2008 lost to an opponent who was to the left of that Republican. That is hardly a message sent by the voters that the GOP isn't conservative enough; that is merely the feel good myth that the 20% on the far right believe to make themselves feel good.

 

[Father Time]

Center/right compared to what? Is there some established standard universal measure of what is 'the center'?

BINGO!!!

The 'center' has been hijacked and is now portrayed AS the views of the far right...

Proof? ANY Republican politician even slightly to the left of the party's extremist 'purity' position is challenged in primaries by far right candidates supported by Grover Norquist and the Club for Growth...

"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the Republican party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."
Barry Goldwater (R) – Late Senator & Father of the Conservative movement

So if those on the right believe in personal liberties, unalienable rights, personal responsibility and accountability, a free market economy, and want the government to secure their rights and then leave them alone to govern themselves, they have hijacked the center?

And anybody on the right, religious or not, who exercises his or her Constitutionally protected right to petition their government or ask for redress of grievances is dangerous? Do you feel the same about those on the Left--NAMBLA, PETA, Green Peace, Code Pink, American Atheists, ACORN, the ACLU etc. etc. etc. who do the same?

Nambla is not a left wing organization, their position belongs to neither wing just its own unique fringe.

 

[Foxfyre]

BINGO!!!

The 'center' has been hijacked and is now portrayed AS the views of the far right...

Proof? ANY Republican politician even slightly to the left of the party's extremist 'purity' position is challenged in primaries by far right candidates supported by Grover Norquist and the Club for Growth...

"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the Republican party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."
Barry Goldwater (R) – Late Senator & Father of the Conservative movement

So if those on the right believe in personal liberties, unalienable rights, personal responsibility and accountability, a free market economy, and want the government to secure their rights and then leave them alone to govern themselves, they have hijacked the center?

And anybody on the right, religious or not, who exercises his or her Constitutionally protected right to petition their government or ask for redress of grievances is dangerous? Do you feel the same about those on the Left--NAMBLA, PETA, Green Peace, Code Pink, American Atheists, ACORN, the ACLU etc. etc. etc. who do the same?

Nambla is not a left wing organization, their position belongs to neither wing just its own unique fringe.

From NAMBLA's own website:

NAMBLA's goal is to end the extreme oppression of men and boys in mutually consensual relationships by:

building understanding and support for such relationships;
educating the general public on the benevolent nature of man/boy love;
cooperating with lesbian, gay, feminist, and other liberation movements;
supporting the liberation of persons of all ages from sexual prejudice and oppression.

Our membership is open to everyone sympathetic to man/boy love and personal freedom.
NAMBLA calls for the empowerment of youth in all areas, not just the sexual. We support greater economic, political and social opportunities for young people and denounce the rampant ageism that segregates and isolates them in fear and mistrust. We believe sexual feelings are a positive life force. We support the rights of youth as well as adults to choose the partners with whom they wish to share and enjoy their bodies.

And from Wiki:

NAMBLA emerged from the tumultuous political atmosphere of the 1970s, particularly from the Gay Liberation movement that followed the 1969 Stonewall riots in New York City. Although discussion of gay adult-minor sex did take place, gay rights groups immediately following the Stonewall riot were more concerned with issues of police harassment, nondiscrimination in employment, health care and other issues.

Their website and all objective sources commenting on the group state that the official policy is not to break any existing laws nor encourage anybody to break any existing laws. They are trying to get the laws changed. There are several references criticizing or denouncing the 'right'....none denouncing the 'left'.

Now I do believe that most leftwingers want nothing to do with this group and definitely consider it a fringe they do not wish associated with their own ideology. But leftwing in emphasis and ideology it is.

It is also tiny--barely more than a 1000 members. It gets way more attention than it deserves. But if the Right has to be stuck with their rightwing loonies, however atypical or tiny, the Left has to be stuck with theirs.