Todays school shoot up.

[2aguy]

Teen suspect shoots 15-year-old girl at Italy, Texas school

The good news is that nobody got killed. A sure sign that things are getting better.

Admit it. You wish she died.

Admit it....nobody's supposed to care about school shootings.

We actually care, but guys like you won't let us fix the problem. The biggest problem is that you let violent gang members back on the streets, the ones doing almost all of the school shooting.....as for mass public shooters....you give them easy targets by banning guns for law abiding gun owners...since 98.5% of mass shootings happen in gun free zones...and we know that the majority of mass shooters choose gun free zones.

This kid had an issue......likely it was known to those around him....he should have been helped before it reached this point, but democrat controlled schools only care about union dues and voting for democrats...

According to you guns make the place safer. How does that work again ?

Like this....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

On top of that....doofus.......Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year to stop violent criminal attack...

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

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If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

 

[2aguy]

Teen suspect shoots 15-year-old girl at Italy, Texas school

The good news is that nobody got killed. A sure sign that things are getting better.

Admit it. You wish she died.

Admit it....nobody's supposed to care about school shootings.

We actually care, but guys like you won't let us fix the problem. The biggest problem is that you let violent gang members back on the streets, the ones doing almost all of the school shooting.....as for mass public shooters....you give them easy targets by banning guns for law abiding gun owners...since 98.5% of mass shootings happen in gun free zones...and we know that the majority of mass shooters choose gun free zones.

This kid had an issue......likely it was known to those around him....he should have been helped before it reached this point, but democrat controlled schools only care about union dues and voting for democrats...

According to you guns make the place safer. How does that work again ?

Timmy....our Centers For Disease Control only breaks down fatal accidents by 5 year periods....

Fatal Injury Data | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

So....15-19....accidental car deaths...

Car.......2,627

Gun......53

Gun murder...942 ( 15-19 are the prime gang member years....)

So, even with gun murder by criminals....at that age group, 16, the age of the shooter...cars are still deadlier to our kids than deliberate shootings.....and yet you fixate on guns....

 

[Old Rocks]

I am so sure that you are intensely proud of this.

 

[2aguy]

Teen suspect shoots 15-year-old girl at Italy, Texas school

The good news is that nobody got killed. A sure sign that things are getting better.

Admit it. You wish she died.

Admit it....nobody's supposed to care about school shootings.

We actually care, but guys like you won't let us fix the problem. The biggest problem is that you let violent gang members back on the streets, the ones doing almost all of the school shooting.....as for mass public shooters....you give them easy targets by banning guns for law abiding gun owners...since 98.5% of mass shootings happen in gun free zones...and we know that the majority of mass shooters choose gun free zones.

This kid had an issue......likely it was known to those around him....he should have been helped before it reached this point, but democrat controlled schools only care about union dues and voting for democrats...

According to you guns make the place safer. How does that work again ?

Okay....let's see how brave you are Timmy........so far you have been pretty cowardly....

Do you think the right outcome to this encounter is the clerk is murdered? Or do you think the clerk should have had the option to use a gun to stop his own murder...as happens all the time here in the States....?

Two teenagers arrested after shopkeeper attacked 'for refusing to sell Rizlas'

 

[2aguy]

I am so sure that you are intensely proud of this.

That you use crap stats to lie...no...you should be ashamed....

You failed to show the 1,500,000 times a year Americans use guns to stop violent criminal attack....saving lives in the process.......you never show that...

So....9,616 gun murder in the U.S. in 2015......of those 70-80% are criminals shooting other criminals during crimes or vendettas............

Vs.... law abiding gun owners using guns 1,500,000 times to stop those criminals...

Why don't you ever show the whole story....

Or the increasing gun crime in Britain, Sweden, Canada, Australia......never show that either.....our gun crime is going down, theirs is going up...

 

[2aguy]

Teen suspect shoots 15-year-old girl at Italy, Texas school

The good news is that nobody got killed. A sure sign that things are getting better.

Admit it. You wish she died.

Admit it....nobody's supposed to care about school shootings.

We actually care, but guys like you won't let us fix the problem. The biggest problem is that you let violent gang members back on the streets, the ones doing almost all of the school shooting.....as for mass public shooters....you give them easy targets by banning guns for law abiding gun owners...since 98.5% of mass shootings happen in gun free zones...and we know that the majority of mass shooters choose gun free zones.

This kid had an issue......likely it was known to those around him....he should have been helped before it reached this point, but democrat controlled schools only care about union dues and voting for democrats...

According to you guns make the place safer. How does that work again ?

Here...another chance to be brave Tommy....

This woman is grabbed and raped by several men.....

According to your beliefs, Timmy, this is the best outcome instead of allowing her to use a gun to stop the rape....Right? It is better she be raped than that she stop the rape with a gun...Right?

Woman bundled into a car and raped in graveyard sparking police probe

A man hauled the woman into a car and drove her to St Osyth Cemetery, Essex, where two other men were waiting.

She was then raped by one of the men at around 3pm and 4pm on Sunday afternoon.

 

[Old Rocks]

I think that assholes like you should not have provided the miscreants with the guns they have. The reality is that you and the NRA are directly responsible for all too many of these shootings. Not only that, you will be responsible for the gun laws that are going to come into being as more of these horrors occur. And some of those laws will even affect the guns that I have.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

I am so sure that you are intensely proud of this.

That you use crap stats to lie...no...you should be ashamed....

You failed to show the 1,500,000 times a year Americans use guns to stop violent criminal attack....saving lives in the process.......you never show that...

So....9,616 gun murder in the U.S. in 2015......of those 70-80% are criminals shooting other criminals during crimes or vendettas............

Vs.... law abiding gun owners using guns 1,500,000 times to stop those criminals...

Why don't you ever show the whole story....

Or the increasing gun crime in Britain, Sweden, Canada, Australia......never show that either.....our gun crime is going down, theirs is going up...

Yup, your figures put the rest of the world to shame.

 

[2aguy]

I am so sure that you are intensely proud of this.

That photo is a lie....Japan, and South Korea have higher rates of suicide than we do...and it is not in the image....other countries on that list also have higher rates of suicide than we do..that photo is crap....

Main tables - Eurostat

May, 2014

France....14.13

Finland...14.55

Poland....15.51

Belgium....17.28

Austria....15.26

U.S.....13.00

Another list...

World suicide rates by country

World suicide rates by country

Per 100,000


Hungary ... 21.0
Belgium .... 18.4
Finland... 16.5
France... 14.6
Poland... 13.8
Austria... 13.8
Czech Republic... 12.7
New Zealand.... 11.9
Denmark... 11.3
Sweden..............11.1
Norway...............10.9
Iceland................10.4
Germany.............10.3
Canada...............10.2

United States.......10.1

 

[MaryL]

Tommy , isn't there enough local issues in Wales to keep you busy?

 

[2aguy]

I am so sure that you are intensely proud of this.

That you use crap stats to lie...no...you should be ashamed....

You failed to show the 1,500,000 times a year Americans use guns to stop violent criminal attack....saving lives in the process.......you never show that...

So....9,616 gun murder in the U.S. in 2015......of those 70-80% are criminals shooting other criminals during crimes or vendettas............

Vs.... law abiding gun owners using guns 1,500,000 times to stop those criminals...

Why don't you ever show the whole story....

Or the increasing gun crime in Britain, Sweden, Canada, Australia......never show that either.....our gun crime is going down, theirs is going up...

Yup, your figures put the rest of the world to shame.

And still waiting....

Do you think a woman should be raped or should she be able to use a gun to stop the rape?

How about murder...should a woman be raped, tortured and murdered or should she have the choice to have a gun to stop the rape, torture and murder?

Be brave Tommy, tell us the truth....

 

[2aguy]

I think that assholes like you should not have provided the miscreants with the guns they have. The reality is that you and the NRA are directly responsible for all too many of these shootings. Not only that, you will be responsible for the gun laws that are going to come into being as more of these horrors occur. And some of those laws will even affect the guns that I have.

The NRA tries to keep guns out of the hands of kids....they teach police how to use guns, they teach gun safety, and they also try to keep violent criminals in jail, especially when democrats keep letting the violent criminals out of jail......

doofus.

 

[2aguy]

Teen suspect shoots 15-year-old girl at Italy, Texas school

The good news is that nobody got killed. A sure sign that things are getting better.

What business is that of yours? Thread after thread, you won't answer the question of WHY you have an obsession with what happens in our own sovereign borders. Clearly, you're happy when Americans suffer because the UK is simply a sewer of sadistic, American-hating psychopaths who crawl on their bellies for the religion which stones women to death, beheads people for trivia, teaches their own children to be suicide bombers, fucks children of non-muslims and throws disfiguring acid in disobedient women's faces. And allows muslims carte blanche to molest thousands of their young girls. But it's okay if muslims commit atrocities as long as they don't use guns.

How DARE you look down your snobby noses at any other country. How DARE you lie and say you're happy nobody got killed when the exact opposite is obvious.

You are another of the gutless wonders who can't face our own problems here in the U.S.A.

We do face our problem....democrats refuse to lock up violent criminals because they are afraid of being called racists.....so they let violent repeat offenders back on the street, over and over again......

Our problem......

But Democrat State’s Attorney Julia Reitz cut a deal to let Robbie Patton, a sociopathic predator who will never contribute anything but sewage and sadness to our society, avoid serving hard time for attempted murder.

It’s true. Bad guys in prison don’t victimize the innocent. Florida had proven success with 10-20-Life sentencing enhancements for the use of a firearmwhile committing a violent crime. A court struck down the law in 2016. Under the law, Florida’s firearmviolent crime rate plummeted to the lowest levels in the Sunshine State’s recorded history.


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John Boch: Lock Them Up! - The Truth About Guns

When you lock up violent criminals, you prevent them from victimizing other innocents. Crime in America dipped almost 50%after America abandoned “soft on crime” attitudes of the 1970s. Of course, many soft-on-crime politicians like Reitz have once more taken a love to “diversion” programs. And that’s how we get Robbie Patton (above), a local crime celebrity of sorts.

In 2015, he had an altercation at a Champaign Steak ‘n Shake restaurant commonly frequented by my friends and me. While none of us were enjoying a milkshake or steakburger at 5:30pm, Robbie was.

Robbie found himself in an altercation inside the restaurant. He felt one of his friends had been “disrespected”, so little Robbie went outside. He waited for the other group to emerge, pulled out of gun and tried to kill those other people.

He missed, and fled the scene with an Illinois State Trooper in hot pursuit. After a short, high-speed chase in a stolen car, Robbie crashed and escaped on foot.

Cops caught up with him. Local prosecutor Julia Reitz then went soft on little Robbie. She let him go to “boot camp”, even though that sentencing option is not supposed to be available for violent offenders. And squeezing off a bunch of shots at other people, trying to kill them, pretty much fits the bill as a violent crime.

After serving eight months on an eight-year sentence, Robbie returned to the streets of Champaign-Urbana. In less than two days, cops arrested him again for drugs and who knows what else. Not even three weeks after that, he’s illegally got agun. When someone “disrespects” another one of Robbie’s friends, guess what he does? He pulls out the gun and fires shots at those he believes responsible.




He misses his intended targets, but in the busy University of Illinois campustown district, his errant, not-so-late-night rounds found four innocent people within a block or two. George Korchev, the recent nursing school graduate due to start his career as a registered nurse at a hospital in Libertyville, IL, the following Monday morning, was struck and killed a blockaway from one of Robbie’s bullets.

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Democrats lower sentences in California...for gun criminals


California Democrats hate the gun, not the gunman – Orange County Register

Now that Democrats have supermajorities in the California state Legislature, they’ve rolled into Sacramento with a zest for lowering the state’s prison population and have interpreted St. Augustine’s words of wisdom to mean, “Hate the gun, not the gunman.”

I say this because, once they finally took a break from preaching about the benefits of stricter gun control, the state Senate voted to loosen sentencing guidelines for criminals convicted of gun crimes.

Currently, California law requires anyone who uses a gun while committing a felony to have their sentence increased by 10 years or more in prison — on top of the normal criminal penalty. If enacted, Senate Bill 620 would eliminate that mandate.

The bill, which passed on a 22-14 party-line vote, with support only from Democrats, now heads to the state Assembly for consideration.

Republicans and the National Rifle Association have vowed to campaign against it.

Why have Democrats suddenly developed a soft spot for criminals convicted of gun crimes? The bill’s author, state Sen. Steve Bradford, D-Gardena, says that he was motivated to write the bill after a 17-year-old riding in a car involved in a drive-by shooting was sentenced to 25 years in prison, even though he claims that he wasn’t the one who pulled the trigger.

and for all those anti-gunners who want to know where criminals get guns....well...this law lowers the prison time for those who give guns to criminals.....

Why is that?

Prop. 57, for example, very deceptively and fundamentally changed the definition of what constitutes a “non-violent” offense.


supplying a firearm to a gang member,

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felon obtaining a firearm,

discharging a firearm on school grounds

 

[2aguy]

Tommy , isn't there enough local issues in Wales to keep you busy?

You would think he would try to deal with rising gun crime in Britain.....they need to have more police, more police resources and they need to get rid of the political correctness that is crippling their police. They are now running their country the way democrats over here run our cities...


U.K. Begins Another Gun Surrender Initiative Amid Increase in Gun Crime

The United Kingdom's National Ballistics Intelligence Service (NABIS) is conducting a new gun surrender program from Nov. 13 to Nov. 26 after gun crime in England and Wales increased by more than a quarter in the past year.

The Office for National Statistics found a 27 percent increase in crimes involving firearms during its most recent review of crime data. Despite a near ban on the civilian ownership of handguns the review found crimes committed with handguns increased by 25 percent and accounted for the majority of gun crimes. The agency said the increases in 2016 were part of a multiyear trend.

Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

I think that assholes like you should not have provided the miscreants with the guns they have. The reality is that you and the NRA are directly responsible for all too many of these shootings. Not only that, you will be responsible for the gun laws that are going to come into being as more of these horrors occur. And some of those laws will even affect the guns that I have.

The NRA tries to keep guns out of the hands of kids....they teach police how to use guns, they teach gun safety, and they also try to keep violent criminals in jail, especially when democrats keep letting the violent criminals out of jail......

doofus.

And they do a shit job.
Americans seem to care more about the unborn than actual children.

 

[MaryL]

Tommy , isn't there enough local issues in Wales to keep you busy?

You would think he would try to deal with rising gun crime in Britain.....they need to have more police, more police resources and they need to get rid of the political correctness that is crippling their police. They are now running their country the way democrats over here run our cities...


U.K. Begins Another Gun Surrender Initiative Amid Increase in Gun Crime

The United Kingdom's National Ballistics Intelligence Service (NABIS) is conducting a new gun surrender program from Nov. 13 to Nov. 26 after gun crime in England and Wales increased by more than a quarter in the past year.

The Office for National Statistics found a 27 percent increase in crimes involving firearms during its most recent review of crime data. Despite a near ban on the civilian ownership of handguns the review found crimes committed with handguns increased by 25 percent and accounted for the majority of gun crimes. The agency said the increases in 2016 were part of a multiyear trend.

Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Well, guns are this weird American fixation. I am not faulting Tommy for pointing that out. Perhaps he's that so called better angels of our mercies, given the bloodshed and slaughter we Americans seem rationalize under the second amendment.

 

[2aguy]

I think that assholes like you should not have provided the miscreants with the guns they have. The reality is that you and the NRA are directly responsible for all too many of these shootings. Not only that, you will be responsible for the gun laws that are going to come into being as more of these horrors occur. And some of those laws will even affect the guns that I have.

The NRA tries to keep guns out of the hands of kids....they teach police how to use guns, they teach gun safety, and they also try to keep violent criminals in jail, especially when democrats keep letting the violent criminals out of jail......

doofus.

And they do a shit job.
Americans seem to care more about the unborn than actual children.

You didn't answer my question Tommy.

If a woman is going to be raped, tortured and murdered....which does happen in Britain.....should she be allowed to be raped, tortured and murdered, or should she have the Right to use a gun to stop the rape, torture and murder?

Come on Tommy......tell us what you really believe....

 

[westwall]

Teen suspect shoots 15-year-old girl at Italy, Texas school

The good news is that nobody got killed. A sure sign that things are getting better.

Admit it. You wish she died.

Admit it....nobody's supposed to care about school shootings.

No, we care about them. We just despise that dumbshits like you won't allow the good people to carry guns to defend against scumbags like this asshole. Who was already known to be violent, but instead of keeping him away from school he was allowed on campus. Toss the blame at the administration that allows a little shit like this to attack students in the name of political correctness.


A 16-year-old boy accused of shooting a classmate at a Texas high school on Monday had a history of aggressive actions at school, a fellow student said.

The injured student, a 15-year-old girl, was airlifted to a hospital in Dallas following the shooting inside the cafeteria at Italy High School, which is in the small town of Italy about 40 miles south of Dallas. The boy fled after being confronted by a school district official but was later arrested.

Cassie Shook, a 17-year-old junior at the school, told The Associated Press that she was driving up to the building when she saw "the doors fly open and everyone screaming and running out of the building." She said she was angry when she learned who the suspect was because she'd complained about the boy at least twice to school officials, including to a vice principal.

"This could have been avoidable," she said. "There were so many signs."

Student: Boy arrested in Texas high school shooting has violent past

 

[2aguy]

Tommy , isn't there enough local issues in Wales to keep you busy?

You would think he would try to deal with rising gun crime in Britain.....they need to have more police, more police resources and they need to get rid of the political correctness that is crippling their police. They are now running their country the way democrats over here run our cities...


U.K. Begins Another Gun Surrender Initiative Amid Increase in Gun Crime

The United Kingdom's National Ballistics Intelligence Service (NABIS) is conducting a new gun surrender program from Nov. 13 to Nov. 26 after gun crime in England and Wales increased by more than a quarter in the past year.

The Office for National Statistics found a 27 percent increase in crimes involving firearms during its most recent review of crime data. Despite a near ban on the civilian ownership of handguns the review found crimes committed with handguns increased by 25 percent and accounted for the majority of gun crimes. The agency said the increases in 2016 were part of a multiyear trend.

Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Well, guns are this weird American fixation. I am not faulting Tommy for pointing that out. Perhaps he's better angels of our mercies, given the bloodshed and slaughter we Americans seem rationalize under the second amendment.

Europe essentially banned guns from their various countries in the 1920s, right after World War 1.......in the 1940s the national socialists murdered 12 million unarmed Europeans.....if you divide those 12 million deaths over the same period of time up to the 2018....their murder rate is higher than our gun murder rate over the same period...

They have nothing to teach us about murder rates......They allowed the slaughter of 12 million people.....their own governments gave up their citizens to the German, national socialists.........

 

[2aguy]

Tommy , isn't there enough local issues in Wales to keep you busy?

You would think he would try to deal with rising gun crime in Britain.....they need to have more police, more police resources and they need to get rid of the political correctness that is crippling their police. They are now running their country the way democrats over here run our cities...


U.K. Begins Another Gun Surrender Initiative Amid Increase in Gun Crime

The United Kingdom's National Ballistics Intelligence Service (NABIS) is conducting a new gun surrender program from Nov. 13 to Nov. 26 after gun crime in England and Wales increased by more than a quarter in the past year.

The Office for National Statistics found a 27 percent increase in crimes involving firearms during its most recent review of crime data. Despite a near ban on the civilian ownership of handguns the review found crimes committed with handguns increased by 25 percent and accounted for the majority of gun crimes. The agency said the increases in 2016 were part of a multiyear trend.

Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Well, guns are this weird American fixation. I am not faulting Tommy for pointing that out. Perhaps he's that so called better angels of our mercies, given the bloodshed and slaughter we Americans seem rationalize under the second amendment.

With respect...are you braver than Tommy?

Is it better that a woman is raped and murdered rather than she have the Right to own a gun to stop that rape and murder?

Tommy refuses to answer that question....since it will show exactly what he believes and where that belief ends up .....