Time to once again re-educate idiot libs. The Civil War was NOT about slavery

[Syriusly]

Now lets look at the Confederate Constitution- and note the key differences between it and the Constitution of the United States

Article I, Section 9, Clause 4 prohibited the Confederate government from restricting slavery in any way:

"No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed."

Article IV, Section 2 also prohibited states from interfering with slavery:

"The citizens of each State shall be entitled to all the privileges and immunities of citizens in the several States; and shall have the right of transit and sojourn in any State of this Confederacy, with their slaves and other property; and the right of property in said slaves shall not be thereby impaired."

Perhaps the most menacing provision of the Confederate States Constitution was the explicit protection Article IV, Section 3, Clause 3 offered to slavery in all future territories conquered or acquired by the Confederacy:

"The Confederate States may acquire new territory; and Congress shall have power to legislate and provide governments for the inhabitants of all territory belonging to the Confederate States, lying without the limits of the several States; and may permit them, at such times, and in such manner as it may by law provide, to form States to be admitted into the Confederacy. In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected by Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States."

 

[Syriusly]

Then there was the Cornerstone Speech- by the Vice President of the Confederacy- in which he says that the Confederate Government was set up to ensure white supremacy- and to ensure that slavery- will remain the slaves natural and normal condition.

Cornerstone Speech - Wikipedia

Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Now lets look at the Confederate Constitution- and note the key differences between it and the Constitution of the United States

Article I, Section 9, Clause 4 prohibited the Confederate government from restricting slavery in any way:

"No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed."

Article IV, Section 2 also prohibited states from interfering with slavery:

"The citizens of each State shall be entitled to all the privileges and immunities of citizens in the several States; and shall have the right of transit and sojourn in any State of this Confederacy, with their slaves and other property; and the right of property in said slaves shall not be thereby impaired."

Perhaps the most menacing provision of the Confederate States Constitution was the explicit protection Article IV, Section 3, Clause 3 offered to slavery in all future territories conquered or acquired by the Confederacy:

"The Confederate States may acquire new territory; and Congress shall have power to legislate and provide governments for the inhabitants of all territory belonging to the Confederate States, lying without the limits of the several States; and may permit them, at such times, and in such manner as it may by law provide, to form States to be admitted into the Confederacy. In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected by Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States."

They also seriously considered, but ultimately rejected, limiting the vote to taxpayers.

lol, where have we heard that one before?

 

[NYcarbineer]

The Civil War happened because eleven slave states seceded. They seceded because of slavery.

Therefore, slavery caused the Civil War.

HAHAHA. So why did lincoln allow 4 slave states to remain in the Union?? THINK, white-hating racist.

Why add four more states to the Confederacy? States seceded based on their own status.

Actually there were more than four slave states in the Union, and we have Lincoln's own speeches saying it wasn't about slavery. none seceded over slavery, that's just propaganda and has no basis in fact.

They ALL seceded over slavery. I can't believe people insist on trying to make this even debatable.

 

[Syriusly]

The Civil War happened because eleven slave states seceded. They seceded because of slavery.

Therefore, slavery caused the Civil War.

HAHAHA. So why did lincoln allow 4 slave states to remain in the Union?? THINK, white-hating racist.

Why add four more states to the Confederacy? States seceded based on their own status.

Actually there were more than four slave states in the Union, and we have Lincoln's own speeches saying it wasn't about slavery. none seceded over slavery, that's just propaganda and has no basis in fact.

They ALL seceded over slavery. I can't believe people insist on trying to make this even debatable.

No remember- it was about 'State's Rights'..........i.e. the State's right to keep slavery legal.

 

[Picaro]

How could it be about slavery when

1. There were four UNION states that practiced slavery throughout the war. KY MD MO DE. Had 300,000 slaves total.

2. There were many UNION generals who were slave owners. Even Grant had a slave and his wife had a bunch of them.

3. Lincoln asked slave owner Robert E Lee to be commander of all UNION forces.

The idea that the CW was about freeing the slaves is not only wrong, it is preposterous. It's fake news the media has been feeding us for 150 years.

no one said that he civil war was started to free the slaves. At least no credible historian has nor has most thinking people. BUT the war was fought about slavery as in the States left the union because of slavery.

Actually the first secession was prompted by the introduction of the Homestead Act, followed by the Morill Tariff Acts. These changed the entire Federal revenue and tax structure to subsidize northern railroads and provide protectionism for northern manufacturers for the benefit if the northern states, particularly Lincoln's own state and the midwestern states at the expense of southern states. Several more seceded because of Buchanan's attempt to blockade Charleston harbor, and the rest seceded when Lincoln copied him. Lincoln used his own private army to control the ballot boxes in the border states and parts of other states, like New York City and in parts of Pennsylvania and Ohio, the only thing that saved him in the mid-term elections of 1862 and in his re-election in 1864.

As for the silliness posted by Syriously, that is merely after the fact political rhetoric over organizing the Confederacy, and has zero to do with the original secessionist waves, which were entirely over taxes and states' rights. There was no 'Confederacy' until well after the secessions, and in fact Lincoln's faction lost support in the 1862 elections, the only thing saving him was his private army's control of the ballot boxes and being able to dictate the vote in 7 states and parts of other states, giving him a tiny margin. He lost support because many northerners thought he was leaning toward freeing the slaves and allowing them to come north, something most were adamantly against. He ran on not freeing them. The war was not over slavery, it was over economic splits and corporate welfare programs. Everything else is just rhetoric and noise, propaganda and spin. Every major newspaper in the country had said so by January, when Buchanan's attempt at Sumter met with 5 more states seceding; it was about money, not slavery.

Slavery was already at its natural limits; everybody who knew American geography knew this by the 1840's. It's why Webster, a big anti-slavery advocate, repeatedly advised those on his own side not to make an issue over the Wilmot Proviso, since admitting states as 'slave states' was a dead letter and it didn't matter if they were or weren't, since slavery wasn't economically feasible anywhere else but in the Cotton states. The Census of 1860 proved this beyond a doubt, with only 9 slaves found outside the south in the entire new territories after many years. It was a red herring issue, rubbish aimed at ignorant immigrant votes who had no clue about geography nor economics. Jefferson Davis knew the facts, so did Lincoln, Seward, Greeley, and every other educated American and native American who had done any traveling.

The only reason the Lincoln Myth is being peddled today, to those even more ignorant than those in 1860, is to just fabricate junk rhetoric for bashing the south for shifting to voting Republican. It takes attention away from the violent racist problems that such wonderful liberal states like California and New York and Illinois still have today, with race riots every other year, and their own history of racism far worse than the south's.

 

[Picaro]

The Civil War happened because eleven slave states seceded. They seceded because of slavery.

Therefore, slavery caused the Civil War.

HAHAHA. So why did lincoln allow 4 slave states to remain in the Union?? THINK, white-hating racist.

Why add four more states to the Confederacy? States seceded based on their own status.

Actually there were more than four slave states in the Union, and we have Lincoln's own speeches saying it wasn't about slavery. none seceded over slavery, that's just propaganda and has no basis in fact.

They ALL seceded over slavery. I can't believe people insist on trying to make this even debatable.

Drivel. More evidence Democrats are the Party of ignorant and uneducated race baiters.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

lol so now Lincoln had his own army did he? You people will lie about anything. You stll havent explained why the states leaving the Union specifically STATED they were leaving because of slavery.

 

[bodecea]

How could it be about slavery when

1. There were four UNION states that practiced slavery throughout the war. KY MD MO DE. Had 300,000 slaves total.

2. There were many UNION generals who were slave owners. Even Grant had a slave and his wife had a bunch of them.

3. Lincoln asked slave owner Robert E Lee to be commander of all UNION forces.

The idea that the CW was about freeing the slaves is not only wrong, it is preposterous. It's fake news the media has been feeding us for 150 years.

It most certainly was...as per EACH of the con-federate states' articles of secession.

 

[bodecea]

The Civil War happened because eleven slave states seceded. They seceded because of slavery.

Therefore, slavery caused the Civil War.

Actually, carry that one step further...eleven slave states seceded AND decided to fire on a federal installation, thereby starting the Civil War.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The Civil War happened because eleven slave states seceded. They seceded because of slavery.

Therefore, slavery caused the Civil War.

HAHAHA. So why did lincoln allow 4 slave states to remain in the Union?? THINK, white-hating racist.

Why add four more states to the Confederacy? States seceded based on their own status.

Actually there were more than four slave states in the Union, and we have Lincoln's own speeches saying it wasn't about slavery. none seceded over slavery, that's just propaganda and has no basis in fact.

They ALL seceded over slavery. I can't believe people insist on trying to make this even debatable.

Drivel. More evidence Democrats are the Party of ignorant and uneducated race baiters.

If you remove slavery from the equation, there would have been no mass secession, and no CSA.

 

[Picaro]

lol so now Lincoln had his own army did he? You people will lie about anything. You stll havent explained why the states leaving the Union specifically STATED they were leaving because of slavery.

Yes, he did, some 75,000 of them all under officers personally appointed by himself and stationed in the border states, and also in New York City and parts of Pennsylvania and Ohio to boot. And, their only purpose was to control the ballot boxes and use force against people who were known to not be his supporters. You can find several books on that; I can name the best one for those truly interested in real history, as opposed to fake 'anti-racists' shilling for Democrats.

And, like I said, the political rhetoric came well after the secessions, there was no 'Confederacy' until well into April. It's kind of stupid to completely ignore what the Republicans, including Lincoln, were saying, and denying they said what they said, and then turn around and try and sell the other side's political rhetoric that came well afterwards as some sort of 'talking point', but then it's not about historical fact, it's about fake 'anti-racist' Democrats needing to make up some fake moral authority for themselves and lie about southern voters going Republican and abandoning the racist Democratic Party in the modern era.

 

[Picaro]

HAHAHA. So why did lincoln allow 4 slave states to remain in the Union?? THINK, white-hating racist.

Why add four more states to the Confederacy? States seceded based on their own status.

Actually there were more than four slave states in the Union, and we have Lincoln's own speeches saying it wasn't about slavery. none seceded over slavery, that's just propaganda and has no basis in fact.

They ALL seceded over slavery. I can't believe people insist on trying to make this even debatable.

Drivel. More evidence Democrats are the Party of ignorant and uneducated race baiters.

If you remove slavery from the equation, there would have been no mass secession, and no CSA.

If you remove slavery from the equation, you have the real reasons Lincoln deliberately started an illegal war.

 

[bodecea]

The Civil War happened because eleven slave states seceded. They seceded because of slavery.

Therefore, slavery caused the Civil War.

HAHAHA. So why did lincoln allow 4 slave states to remain in the Union?? THINK, white-hating racist.

Why add four more states to the Confederacy? States seceded based on their own status.

Actually there were more than four slave states in the Union, and we have Lincoln's own speeches saying it wasn't about slavery. none seceded over slavery, that's just propaganda and has no basis in fact.

They ALL seceded over slavery. I can't believe people insist on trying to make this even debatable.

Drivel. More evidence Democrats are the Party of ignorant and uneducated race baiters.

The ones back then.....of course.

 

[Picaro]

Now lets look at the Confederate Constitution- and note the key differences between it and the Constitution of the United States

Article I, Section 9, Clause 4 prohibited the Confederate government from restricting slavery in any way:

"No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed."

Article IV, Section 2 also prohibited states from interfering with slavery:

"The citizens of each State shall be entitled to all the privileges and immunities of citizens in the several States; and shall have the right of transit and sojourn in any State of this Confederacy, with their slaves and other property; and the right of property in said slaves shall not be thereby impaired."

Perhaps the most menacing provision of the Confederate States Constitution was the explicit protection Article IV, Section 3, Clause 3 offered to slavery in all future territories conquered or acquired by the Confederacy:

"The Confederate States may acquire new territory; and Congress shall have power to legislate and provide governments for the inhabitants of all territory belonging to the Confederate States, lying without the limits of the several States; and may permit them, at such times, and in such manner as it may by law provide, to form States to be admitted into the Confederacy. In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected by Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States."

They also seriously considered, but ultimately rejected, limiting the vote to taxpayers.

lol, where have we heard that one before?

You mean they considered the requirements for voting most of the Founders had, including Jefferson? lol

 

[Faun]

Why add four more states to the Confederacy? States seceded based on their own status.

Actually there were more than four slave states in the Union, and we have Lincoln's own speeches saying it wasn't about slavery. none seceded over slavery, that's just propaganda and has no basis in fact.

They ALL seceded over slavery. I can't believe people insist on trying to make this even debatable.

Drivel. More evidence Democrats are the Party of ignorant and uneducated race baiters.

If you remove slavery from the equation, there would have been no mass secession, and no CSA.

If you remove slavery from the equation, you have the real reasons Lincoln deliberately started an illegal war.

You’re a nut.

The Civil war started when the Confederacy opened fire on a U.S. fort.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Actually there were more than four slave states in the Union, and we have Lincoln's own speeches saying it wasn't about slavery. none seceded over slavery, that's just propaganda and has no basis in fact.

They ALL seceded over slavery. I can't believe people insist on trying to make this even debatable.

Drivel. More evidence Democrats are the Party of ignorant and uneducated race baiters.

If you remove slavery from the equation, there would have been no mass secession, and no CSA.

If you remove slavery from the equation, you have the real reasons Lincoln deliberately started an illegal war.

You’re a nut.

The Civil war started when the Confederacy opened fire on a U.S. fort.

There were many more attacks/occupations of Federal facilities throughout the seceding states, all of which were illegal of course.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

lol so now Lincoln had his own army did he? You people will lie about anything. You stll havent explained why the states leaving the Union specifically STATED they were leaving because of slavery.

Yes, he did, some 75,000 of them all under officers personally appointed by himself and stationed in the border states, and also in New York City and parts of Pennsylvania and Ohio to boot. And, their only purpose was to control the ballot boxes and use force against people who were known to not be his supporters. You can find several books on that; I can name the best one for those truly interested in real history, as opposed to fake 'anti-racists' shilling for Democrats.

And, like I said, the political rhetoric came well after the secessions, there was no 'Confederacy' until well into April. It's kind of stupid to completely ignore what the Republicans, including Lincoln, were saying, and denying they said what they said, and then turn around and try and sell the other side's political rhetoric that came well afterwards as some sort of 'talking point', but then it's not about historical fact, it's about fake 'anti-racist' Democrats needing to make up some fake moral authority for themselves and lie about southern voters going Republican and abandoning the racist Democratic Party in the modern era.

you are nuts, you should see a doctor you can be helped.

 

[Syriusly]

How could it be about slavery when

1. There were four UNION states that practiced slavery throughout the war. KY MD MO DE. Had 300,000 slaves total.

2. There were many UNION generals who were slave owners. Even Grant had a slave and his wife had a bunch of them.

3. Lincoln asked slave owner Robert E Lee to be commander of all UNION forces.

The idea that the CW was about freeing the slaves is not only wrong, it is preposterous. It's fake news the media has been feeding us for 150 years.

no one said that he civil war was started to free the slaves. At least no credible historian has nor has most thinking people. BUT the war was fought about slavery as in the States left the union because of slavery.

Actually the first secession was prompted by the introduction of the Homestead Act, followed by the Morill Tariff Acts. These changed the entire Federal revenue and tax structure to subsidize northern railroads and provide protectionism for northern manufacturers for the benefit if the northern states, particularly Lincoln's own state and the midwestern states at the expense of southern states. Several more seceded because of Buchanan's attempt to blockade Charleston harbor, and the rest seceded when Lincoln copied him. Lincoln used his own private army to control the ballot boxes in the border states and parts of other states, like New York City and in parts of Pennsylvania and Ohio, the only thing that saved him in the mid-term elections of 1862 and in his re-election in 1864.

As for the silliness posted by Syriously, that is merely after the fact political rhetoric over organizing the Confederacy, and has zero to do with the original secessionist waves, which were entirely over taxes and states' rights. .

And by 'silliness' Picaro means the actual declarations by South Carolinians about why South Carolina seceded.

And what were those 'states rights' he so casually dismisses?

Mostly complaints about Northern states who didn't recognize their Constitutional obligation to return slaves.

 

[Syriusly]

How could it be about slavery when

1. There were four UNION states that practiced slavery throughout the war. KY MD MO DE. Had 300,000 slaves total.

2. There were many UNION generals who were slave owners. Even Grant had a slave and his wife had a bunch of them.

3. Lincoln asked slave owner Robert E Lee to be commander of all UNION forces.

The idea that the CW was about freeing the slaves is not only wrong, it is preposterous. It's fake news the media has been feeding us for 150 years.

no one said that he civil war was started to free the slaves. At least no credible historian has nor has most thinking people. BUT the war was fought about slavery as in the States left the union because of slavery.

Slavery was already at its natural limits; everybody who knew American geography knew this by the 1840's. It's why Webster, a big anti-slavery advocate, repeatedly advised those on his own side not to make an issue over the Wilmot Proviso, since admitting states as 'slave states' was a dead letter and it didn't matter if they were or weren't, since slavery wasn't economically feasible anywhere else but in the Cotton states..

Yet the Southern slave states seceded in order to try to protect that slavery.

You should have told the future Confederate states that Slavery was dead prior to their attempts to secede- it would not only have saved lives- it would have allowed them to own their human property for decades longer.