Time to Call Obama and Kerry What They Are Traitors

[idb]

But, on the plus side, Iran gets no nuclear weapons and the US doesn't have to lose another war.

So you're either delusional... or you're a liar.

I'd ask which but the thing is, it doesn't matter which it is, because in either case, you're unworthy of trust and being untrustworthy renders your point of view: UNWORTHY OF CONSIDERATION!

So you know for a fact that Iran is going to get nuclear weapons and the US is going to lose another war.
Hmmm...I'll give you one of those at least.

 

[Bfgrn]

The US gave away the farm without getting anything in return.

They gave away what was GOING TO HAPPEN WITH OR WITHOUT a deal.

 

[Vigilante]

Because they are so trust worth, as shown after 55 hostages were held for 444 days! DAMN!!!!

And they ALL came home alive...DAMN!!!!!

And we helped overthrow a democratically elected government in Iran and put a repressive dictator in charge...DOUBLE DAMN!!!

25 MINUTES AFTER Reagan was inaugurated the hostages were released, and LOOK what a REPRESSIVE RELIGIOUS DICTATOR we got.

The little douche Carter, who allowed In March 1979, shortly after Khomeini’s return from exile, the overthrow of Iran's monarchy. Thanks for reminding me WHO was responsible for what we now have!

 

[Vigilante]

So now we have them with $150 BILLION more than they had, 4 American hostages and the people chant....

 

[Bfgrn]

Because they are so trust worth, as shown after 55 hostages were held for 444 days! DAMN!!!!

And they ALL came home alive...DAMN!!!!!

And we helped overthrow a democratically elected government in Iran and put a repressive dictator in charge...DOUBLE DAMN!!!

25 MINUTES AFTER Reagan was inaugurated the hostages were released, and LOOK what a REPRESSIVE RELIGIOUS DICTATOR.

The little douche Carter, who allowed In March 1979, shortly after Khomeini’s return from exile, the overthrow of Iran's monarchy. Thanks for reminding me WHO was responsible for what we now have!

Ronald Reagan the traitor, who undermined his own president and country? THAT Ronald Reagan?

 

[Alex.]

The US gave away the farm without getting anything in return.

They gave away what was GOING TO HAPPEN WITH OR WITHOUT a deal.

So now you are stating that Obama is an effective president? We could have avoided this whole discussion

 

[idb]

” But with China and Russia both keen to forge new business relationships with Iran, it’s unclear whether reinstating the current level of sanctions will be possible in the future. And unless the U.S. is able to reimpose sanctions with the support of all its partners in the deal, such a threat will be much less potent."

If there were no agreement the current level of China and Russia on sanctions could drop off at any time. This argument is meaningless.

OR... sanctions could have stayed in place indefinitely had the US, France, Germany and the UK provided a united front (which they didn't as Obama and his bitch John Kerry wanted this deal even more than the nut job theocrats in Iran).

The next president (a republican) should keep his supply of bunker busting bombs well stocked. Obama has insured this will be our only response available now that his give away has tied our hands.

And because sanctions were working so well at stopping Iran's nuclear program...and because even if China and Russia decided to drop the sanctions Iran would be so desperate for Big Macs and Starbucks that they would still give up everything...
I can see your logic completely.

I can't see yours, however.
Progressives and our intelligence community insured everyone Iran didn't want a bomb and wasn't working on one.
Therefore why has Kerry and Obama given away everything to stop Iran from doing something they weren't doing anyway. It makes no sense though that doesn't seem to stop you.

Either Iran has not been working towards their bomb...and this whole elaborate hoax has been to give the impression that Obama is stopping something that never started anyway.
OR Iran HAS secretly been working towards their bomb diligently and Obama has just decided he can't stop them so he'll cave in, put on a good show of looking tough (though most people don't believe he is) and he'll let someone one else clean up his mess down the road... which by far is the most likely scenario.

Or, another scenario...despite sanctions, Iran has still been developing it's nuclear program proving that the sanctions didn't work anyway...and the sanctions regime was under threat of disintegrating as Russia and/or China left it...and Iran has agreed to relinquish a large quantity of it's centrifuges and uranium that it actually acquired during the sanctions...

 

[Kondor3]

...If you want to talk about a traitor...

That was then... this is now.

 

[Vigilante]

Because they are so trust worth, as shown after 55 hostages were held for 444 days! DAMN!!!!

And they ALL came home alive...DAMN!!!!!

And we helped overthrow a democratically elected government in Iran and put a repressive dictator in charge...DOUBLE DAMN!!!

25 MINUTES AFTER Reagan was inaugurated the hostages were released, and LOOK what a REPRESSIVE RELIGIOUS DICTATOR.

The little douche Carter, who allowed In March 1979, shortly after Khomeini’s return from exile, the overthrow of Iran's monarchy. Thanks for reminding me WHO was responsible for what we now have!

Ronald Reagan the traitor, who undermined his own president and country? THAT Ronald Reagan?

You have him mixed up with that little muslim lover Carter!

 

[Bfgrn]

"Washington couldn't tell a lie, Nixon couldn't tell the truth, and Reagan couldn't tell the difference."
Mort Sahl

I see you like cartoons Vigina-lante...

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

"there are many ways in which this agreement is worrisome. Kerry and Moniz argue convincingly, however, that the arrangement will stymie Iran’s ability to build a nuclear weapon in the short term, which is ultimately better than nothing.

But there are holes in the arguments being put forward by Kerry and his colleagues, who appeared before the House Foreign Affairs Committee on Tuesday. Indeed, Kerry and Moniz wrote that, “If Iran fails to meet its responsibilities, sanctions will snap back into place, and no country can stop that from happening.” But with China and Russia both keen to forge new business relationships with Iran, it’s unclear whether reinstating the current level of sanctions will be possible in the future. And unless the U.S. is able to reimpose sanctions with the support of all its partners in the deal, such a threat will be much less potent."

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The US is left with very little recourse and a strong indication that Iran will do exactly what it wants when it wants.

What you fail to see is that the sanctions were going to come to an end, with or without a deal. America is the only nation that viewed the sanctions as punishment. All the P5+1 partners viewed the sanctions as a tool to force Iran to the bargaining table. China would walk away if America pushed for tougher sanctions, as would ALL the our partners.

Iran HAD to be aware of the cracks forming in the sanctions...making this not just a good deal, it makes it a truly incredible deal...

You make a strong case for unilaterally destroying Iranian enriching facilities.
If sanctions won't hold and Iran can't be trusted then we are left with a system of verification that is absolutely full of holes and begs to be abused by Iran.

 

[Bfgrn]

The US gave away the farm without getting anything in return.

They gave away what was GOING TO HAPPEN WITH OR WITHOUT a deal.

So now you are stating that Obama is an effective president? We could have avoided this whole discussion

Irony...in 2006 George W. Bush tried to get the same deal...

Just another thing Obama was able to achieve, where Bush failed.

 

[idb]

So now we have them with $150 BILLION more than they had, 4 American hostages and the people chant....

Oh, I see your confusion.
You believe the lie that Iran is to get $150 billion.

 

[Bfgrn]

You make a strong case for unilaterally destroying Iranian enriching facilities.
If sanctions won't hold and Iran can't be trusted then we are left with a system of verification that is absolutely full of holes and begs to be abused by Iran.

????

 

[Vigilante]

The US gave away the farm without getting anything in return.

They gave away what was GOING TO HAPPEN WITH OR WITHOUT a deal.

So now you are stating that Obama is an effective president? We could have avoided this whole discussion

Irony...in 2006 George W. Bush tried to get the same deal...

Just another thing Obama was able to achieve, where Bush failed.

Yes, he agreed to 24 days BEFORE inspecting a site, and then only with permission! How stupid you are!

 

[Vigilante]

So now we have them with $150 BILLION more than they had, 4 American hostages and the people chant....

Oh, I see your confusion.
You believe the lie that Iran is to get $150 billion.

Of course not!....LOLOL

• Obama Admin Fears Iran Deal Will Release Billions for ...
  The Daily Beast/articles/2015/...iran...billions-for-terror.html
  Jul 08, 2015 · A nuclear agreement with Iran could give Tehran a $100 billion ... the Iranian regime gets as much as $150 billion ... that Iran will get a ...

• Kerry: Trust Me, Iran Can’t Use Unfrozen $150 Billion For ...
  townhall.com › Tipsheet › Matt Vespa
  Now, as for the unfrozen $150 billion that will go to Iran, ... UN resolutions and arms negotiations fared poorly. The North Koreans did get the bomb.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

I am not stupid I just do not approve of giving away any leverage while getting very little in return.

The leverage is still there - it's the threat of future sanctions and the backing of the other negotiating partners.
Iran is the only side that gave anything away.

What leverage?
Russia, China and other Shanghai Cooperation Organization nations
have already stated sanctions against Iran are "unacceptable".
Sanctions against Iran unacceptable Russia China other SCO nations RT News
They are rushing all over themselves to do business with Iran and further sanctions from them are nearly impossible to imagine.

The Batman and Robin of ineffectual diplomacy (Obama and Kerry) have already committed us to a deal that removes all leverage and taken it to the UN
in an attempt to undercut and unduly influence Congress.
It's impossible to see what Iran has "given away" since they get all they wanted and more. All they have to do is wait. The deal is a bullshit sham and as such Obama would be right in considering it one of his shining accomplishments as president.

So, what you're saying is that the sanctions were going to go away anyway?

Nope! Not at all. It was not an inevitability even though Russia and China are always pulling against the West.
Obama and Kerry certainly made it in their interests, however, to end sanctions.
That's all on them.

So, you've made no point at all.
You quoted "
Russia, China and other Shanghai Cooperation Organization nations
have already stated sanctions against Iran are "unacceptable"."
But, now you say that sanctions would likely stay.

Those comments were made two years ago and as far as I know sanctions never stopped after the declaration of non support for sanctions.

But, then, if as you say China and Russia are OK with sanctions (despite your own link), why do you doubt that the threat of sanctions can't work?
You're all over the shop.

I don't doubt it but sanctions can't have the rug pulled out from under it's own feet by the Obama regime and possibly be effective. Short of war or bombing suspected Iranian enrichment sites Obama negotiated away the only leverage we ever had on Iran. And even at that, Iran has slowly and secretly been trying to get their bomb.

Kerry admits that after this 8-10 year period of negotiated waiting we have no assurances Iran won't have it's bomb anyway. And meanwhile we've freed up billions of dollars for the Mullahs and ended arms and missile sanctions in the process. Assuming you don't want Iran to have a nuclear bomb Obama has negotiated a deal only a fool could love.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

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One dangerous scenario is that Iran pulls out of the agreement anytime it wishes in the near future, on the grounds of a technical dispute, which would not be unlikely as there already are differences about the whole deal.

So 'one dangerous scenario' does not exist as a result of the deal if Iran does not pull out of the agreement. Is that correct?

Was there a dangerous reality prior to the deal being inked?

 

[idb]

So now we have them with $150 BILLION more than they had, 4 American hostages and the people chant....

Oh, I see your confusion.
You believe the lie that Iran is to get $150 billion.

Of course not!....LOLOL

• Obama Admin Fears Iran Deal Will Release Billions for ...
  The Daily Beast/articles/2015/...iran...billions-for-terror.html
  Jul 08, 2015 · A nuclear agreement with Iran could give Tehran a $100 billion ... the Iranian regime gets as much as $150 billion ... that Iran will get a ...

• Kerry: Trust Me, Iran Can’t Use Unfrozen $150 Billion For ...
  townhall.com › Tipsheet › Matt Vespa
  Now, as for the unfrozen $150 billion that will go to Iran, ... UN resolutions and arms negotiations fared poorly. The North Koreans did get the bomb.

WASHINGTON -- Iran will receive approximately $55 billion in sanctions relief once the nuclear deal is implemented, said Treasury Secretary Jack Lew -- a fraction of the $150 billion that critics of the agreement have claimed will go to the country.

“There is a lot of discussion out there that Iran is going to somehow get $150 billion as soon as sanctions are lifted. That is incorrect,” said Lew, speaking at a breakfast hosted by the Christian Science Monitor on Wednesday. He explained that Iran will not be able to access much of its money that has been locked up overseas due to sanctions because the money has already been committed elsewhere.

Last week, Lew told a group of senators that over $20 billion of Iran’s frozen assets has already been committed to infrastructure projects with China, and that Iran owes an additional "tens of billions" of dollars on nonperforming loans to its energy and banking sectors.

Treasury No Iran Is Not Getting 150 Billion From The Nuclear Deal

 

[Vigilante]

So now we have them with $150 BILLION more than they had, 4 American hostages and the people chant....

Oh, I see your confusion.
You believe the lie that Iran is to get $150 billion.

Of course not!....LOLOL

• Obama Admin Fears Iran Deal Will Release Billions for ...
  The Daily Beast/articles/2015/...iran...billions-for-terror.html
  Jul 08, 2015 · A nuclear agreement with Iran could give Tehran a $100 billion ... the Iranian regime gets as much as $150 billion ... that Iran will get a ...

• Kerry: Trust Me, Iran Can’t Use Unfrozen $150 Billion For ...
  townhall.com › Tipsheet › Matt Vespa
  Now, as for the unfrozen $150 billion that will go to Iran, ... UN resolutions and arms negotiations fared poorly. The North Koreans did get the bomb.

WASHINGTON -- Iran will receive approximately $55 billion in sanctions relief once the nuclear deal is implemented, said Treasury Secretary Jack Lew -- a fraction of the $150 billion that critics of the agreement have claimed will go to the country.

“There is a lot of discussion out there that Iran is going to somehow get $150 billion as soon as sanctions are lifted. That is incorrect,” said Lew, speaking at a breakfast hosted by the Christian Science Monitor on Wednesday. He explained that Iran will not be able to access much of its money that has been locked up overseas due to sanctions because the money has already been committed elsewhere.

Last week, Lew told a group of senators that over $20 billion of Iran’s frozen assets has already been committed to infrastructure projects with China, and that Iran owes an additional "tens of billions" of dollars on nonperforming loans to its energy and banking sectors.

Treasury No Iran Is Not Getting 150 Billion From The Nuclear Deal

And Kerry said they are.... seems the regime has NO FUCKING IDEA, as usual, or more likely, simply LIES, as they have done hundreds of times before!

Kerry: Trust Me, Iran Can’t Use Unfrozen $150 Billion For ...
townhall.com › Tipsheet › Matt Vespa
Now, as for the unfrozen $150 billion that will go to Iran, ... UN resolutions and arms negotiations fared poorly. The North Koreans did get the bomb.