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So, what makes Israel a legitimate, not merely a political, state?Your usual deflection from the issues.OK, but legally Palestine is a state. Politically it is not.People who have things to teach would be able to respond to the substance of my comments. They would be able to dissect and interpret the videos they post and comment on relevant material. They would not be limited to lame one-liners.
We are currently discussing this specific question: A State which seeks to preserve and self-determine a specific cultural or ethnic group on their territory of origin, ancestry and history has consistently been proven to be a legitimate form of State development and formation.
Put up or shut up. In your own words.
It is just the opposite for Israel.
Actually, it's the Magical Kingdom ofDisneyPal'istan.
Your usual retreat to inventing a history that conforms to your delusions and misconceptions.
Not so. Nobody has ever proven my premise to be false.So, what makes Israel a legitimate, not merely a political, state?Your usual deflection from the issues.OK, but legally Palestine is a state. Politically it is not.
It is just the opposite for Israel.
Actually, it's the Magical Kingdom ofDisneyPal'istan.
Your usual retreat to inventing a history that conforms to your delusions and misconceptions.
You do know the above has been addressed for you multiple times, right?
I see you abandoned your spamming this thread with your silly "country of Arab-islamist'istan", nonsense just as you have abandoned it before when you realized your position is indefensible.
Why do you feel a need to spam multiple threads with the same nonsense when that nonsensical position crashes into the ground in flames?
Not so. Nobody has ever proven my premise to be false.So, what makes Israel a legitimate, not merely a political, state?Your usual deflection from the issues.Actually, it's the Magical Kingdom ofDisneyPal'istan.
Your usual retreat to inventing a history that conforms to your delusions and misconceptions.
You do know the above has been addressed for you multiple times, right?
I see you abandoned your spamming this thread with your silly "country of Arab-islamist'istan", nonsense just as you have abandoned it before when you realized your position is indefensible.
Why do you feel a need to spam multiple threads with the same nonsense when that nonsensical position crashes into the ground in flames?
Link?Not so. Nobody has ever proven my premise to be false.So, what makes Israel a legitimate, not merely a political, state?Your usual deflection from the issues.
Your usual retreat to inventing a history that conforms to your delusions and misconceptions.
You do know the above has been addressed for you multiple times, right?
I see you abandoned your spamming this thread with your silly "country of Arab-islamist'istan", nonsense just as you have abandoned it before when you realized your position is indefensible.
Why do you feel a need to spam multiple threads with the same nonsense when that nonsensical position crashes into the ground in flames?
I have proven your premise to be false. You have not disproved my disproof of your premise.
Link?Not so. Nobody has ever proven my premise to be false.So, what makes Israel a legitimate, not merely a political, state?Your usual retreat to inventing a history that conforms to your delusions and misconceptions.
You do know the above has been addressed for you multiple times, right?
I see you abandoned your spamming this thread with your silly "country of Arab-islamist'istan", nonsense just as you have abandoned it before when you realized your position is indefensible.
Why do you feel a need to spam multiple threads with the same nonsense when that nonsensical position crashes into the ground in flames?
I have proven your premise to be false. You have not disproved my disproof of your premise.
Link to your proof that my premise is false?Link?Not so. Nobody has ever proven my premise to be false.So, what makes Israel a legitimate, not merely a political, state?
You do know the above has been addressed for you multiple times, right?
I see you abandoned your spamming this thread with your silly "country of Arab-islamist'istan", nonsense just as you have abandoned it before when you realized your position is indefensible.
Why do you feel a need to spam multiple threads with the same nonsense when that nonsensical position crashes into the ground in flames?
I have proven your premise to be false. You have not disproved my disproof of your premise.
Link?
Link to your proof that my premise is false?Link?Not so. Nobody has ever proven my premise to be false.You do know the above has been addressed for you multiple times, right?
I see you abandoned your spamming this thread with your silly "country of Arab-islamist'istan", nonsense just as you have abandoned it before when you realized your position is indefensible.
Why do you feel a need to spam multiple threads with the same nonsense when that nonsensical position crashes into the ground in flames?
I have proven your premise to be false. You have not disproved my disproof of your premise.
Link?
Your proof not mine.
Jews were not the first people?! Bwahahahahaha. Certainly they were there way before the Christians and the Muslims. Did you fail in world history as well?Jews were not the first people there nor were they ever the only people there.The irony, of course, is that the denial of the existence of the Jewish people is at LEAST as common on the anti-Israel side.
Both sides need to recognize each other.
Totally agree, this has been a never ending cycle.
But the fact is, the conversation here is unbalanced from the beginning-
we have Jews/Israelis, Europeans and Americans who argue about Jews, Arabs and the Jewish/Palestinian homeland.
I think many Jews/Israelis (including me) would be really happy to find out that a significant part of the Palestinians are actually our closest brothers, in a way that they'd feel the real connection to their 'enemies'.
However, I don't see any change in the denial of Jewish rights or even ties to the land on the European side...seem the Europeans are more focused on the victimization of Palestinians and de-legitimization of the Jewish homeland.
This only supports the continuation of the centuries long bloodshed.That's weird, Nobody I know in BDS denies the right of Jews to live on that land.However, I don't see any change in the denial of Jewish rights
'the right of Jews to live on that land' include self determination (govern), right to worship freely at the Holy places, and the ability to protect ourselves.
You deny it.
There is no historic precedent for an exclusive Jewish state.
Palestinian state?! When, where, and how?Jews were not the first people there nor were they ever the only people there.
There is no historic precedent for an exclusive Jewish state.
1. There are plenty of historic precedents for States built around an ethnic or cultural group. It is exceedingly common as a precedent. Most are built on some aspect of "exclusivity" or purpose in preserving a specific culture.
2. There is most certainly a precedent for such a Jewish State, an indigenous Jewish state based on Israel's historical right to re-constitute sovereignty on her ancestral and historic territory.
3. There is NO precedent for an exclusive "Palestinian" state, whether you want to determine that as an inclusive state for two widely opposing cultural groups or as an exclusive state for only the Arabs. Therefore, if your argument rejects a Jewish State, it equally rejects a "Palestinian" State.
4. One need be neither the first people there nor the only people there in order to have an historical and cultural relationship with the territory. And again, if your argument rejects a Jewish State, it equally rejects a "Palestinian" State.
5. Israel does not, and has never, demanded an exclusive Jewish State. It has demanded (entirely morally and correctly) a state which seeks to preserve the unique culture of the indigenous Jewish people, while ensuring, in law, the rights of all peoples within her borders to freedom from discrimination for race, ethnicity, religion. This is in direct contrast to current Arab Palestinian governments who demand a Jew-free Palestine as a pre-condition to any sort of peace deal, and who demand, ultimately, a territory which has NO Jewish self-determination or guarantee of freedom from discrimination.The Palestinian state had Muslims, Christians, and Jews with no distinction.Therefore, if your argument rejects a Jewish State, it equally rejects a "Palestinian" State.
Dividing people by religion was a British/Zionist thing.
When was Palestine a state, legally, politically or ANYTHING?!OK, but legally Palestine is a state. Politically it is not.That's why you never learn anything. It shows in your posts.
People who have things to teach would be able to respond to the substance of my comments. They would be able to dissect and interpret the videos they post and comment on relevant material. They would not be limited to lame one-liners.
We are currently discussing this specific question: A State which seeks to preserve and self-determine a specific cultural or ethnic group on their territory of origin, ancestry and history has consistently been proven to be a legitimate form of State development and formation.
Put up or shut up. In your own words.
It is just the opposite for Israel.
You don't even have a premise for it to be false. Blurting out insane claims does not consitute a "premise".Not so. Nobody has ever proven my premise to be false.So, what makes Israel a legitimate, not merely a political, state?Your usual deflection from the issues.Actually, it's the Magical Kingdom ofDisneyPal'istan.
Your usual retreat to inventing a history that conforms to your delusions and misconceptions.
You do know the above has been addressed for you multiple times, right?
I see you abandoned your spamming this thread with your silly "country of Arab-islamist'istan", nonsense just as you have abandoned it before when you realized your position is indefensible.
Why do you feel a need to spam multiple threads with the same nonsense when that nonsensical position crashes into the ground in flames?
I go away for just a couple of days and the level of dumb rises at an insane level.You don't even have a premise for it to be false. Blurting out insane claims does not consitute a "premise".
Oh look who crawled out from under the rock!I go away for just a couple of days and the level of dumb rises at an insane level.You don't even have a premise for it to be false. Blurting out insane claims does not consitute a "premise".
This thread is for: Zionists who Deny the Existence of the Palestinian Christians and Muslims
The point has been made and is unmistakable. Everyone reading along should note the multiple pages of trolling by our Israeli posters who refuse to see what clearly is right in front of their noses.
Zzzzz...what a buffoon, nobody is denying the "existence" of Jews, they were the same people who invaded the holy land of the Christians and Muslims. And despite that, the Christians and Muslims kept a presence and kept coming back to their religious, ancestral, and cultural holy land over the millennia.Zzzzz...what a buffoon, nobody is denying the "existence" of Muslims or Christians, they were the same people who invaded the holy land of the Jews. And despite that, the Jews kept a presence and kept coming back to their religious, ancestral, and cultural holy land over the mellenia.
Actually it's you terrorist ass kissers that deny the presence and migration of Jews to Israel over the last two thousand years.
Zzzzz...what a buffoon, nobody is denying the "existence" of Jews, they were the same people who invaded the holy land of the Christians and Muslims. And despite that, the Christians and Muslims kept a presence and kept coming back to their religious, ancestral, and cultural holy land over the millennia.Zzzzz...what a buffoon, nobody is denying the "existence" of Muslims or Christians, they were the same people who invaded the holy land of the Jews. And despite that, the Jews kept a presence and kept coming back to their religious, ancestral, and cultural holy land over the mellenia.
Actually it's you terrorist ass kissers that deny the presence and migration of Jews to Israel over the last two thousand years.
Actually it's you terrorist ass kissers that deny the presence of Muslims in Palestine over the last two thousand years.
Again now, I go away for just a couple of days and the level of dumb rises at an insane level.Zzzzz...what a buffoon, nobody is denying the "existence" of Jews, they were the same people who invaded the holy land of the Christians and Muslims. And despite that, the Christians and Muslims kept a presence and kept coming back to their religious, ancestral, and cultural holy land over the millennia.Zzzzz...what a buffoon, nobody is denying the "existence" of Muslims or Christians, they were the same people who invaded the holy land of the Jews. And despite that, the Jews kept a presence and kept coming back to their religious, ancestral, and cultural holy land over the mellenia.
Actually it's you terrorist ass kissers that deny the presence and migration of Jews to Israel over the last two thousand years.
Actually it's you terrorist ass kissers that deny the presence of Muslims in Palestine over the last two thousand years.
Awkward.
Islam was invented less than 1,400 years ago, Mr. Muhammud Bumpkin.
Math is not a priority at your madrassah so I'm glad to lend an assist.
Muslims didn't exist two thousand years ago because Islamism had not yet been invented.
Your homework for tonight is to plot a reverse timeline on graph paper. Tell us what you find..... and then stop slamming your forehead on the mat.
You may eventually emerge from your coma.
Again now, I go away for just a couple of days and the level of dumb rises at an insane level.Zzzzz...what a buffoon, nobody is denying the "existence" of Jews, they were the same people who invaded the holy land of the Christians and Muslims. And despite that, the Christians and Muslims kept a presence and kept coming back to their religious, ancestral, and cultural holy land over the millennia.Zzzzz...what a buffoon, nobody is denying the "existence" of Muslims or Christians, they were the same people who invaded the holy land of the Jews. And despite that, the Jews kept a presence and kept coming back to their religious, ancestral, and cultural holy land over the mellenia.
Actually it's you terrorist ass kissers that deny the presence and migration of Jews to Israel over the last two thousand years.
Actually it's you terrorist ass kissers that deny the presence of Muslims in Palestine over the last two thousand years.
Awkward.
Islam was invented less than 1,400 years ago, Mr. Muhammud Bumpkin.
Math is not a priority at your madrassah so I'm glad to lend an assist.
Muslims didn't exist two thousand years ago because Islamism had not yet been invented.
Your homework for tonight is to plot a reverse timeline on graph paper. Tell us what you find..... and then stop slamming your forehead on the mat.
You may eventually emerge from your coma.
This thread is for: Zionists who Deny the Existence of the Palestinian Christians and Muslims
The point has been made and is unmistakable. Everyone reading along should note the multiple pages of trolling by our Israeli posters who refuse to see what clearly is right in front of their noses.
The jews today in Palestine are Europeans, Mrs. Bumpkin.
Recent history is not a priority at your temple so I'm glad to lend an assist.
Your homework for tonight is to read some actual history on this topic and see for yourself that yes, there were people there when the Europeans arrived, both Christian and Muslim. Tell us what you find..... and then stop slamming your forehead on the mat.
You may eventually emerge from your coma.
Again now, I go away for just a couple of days and the level of dumb rises at an insane level.Zzzzz...what a buffoon, nobody is denying the "existence" of Jews, they were the same people who invaded the holy land of the Christians and Muslims. And despite that, the Christians and Muslims kept a presence and kept coming back to their religious, ancestral, and cultural holy land over the millennia.Zzzzz...what a buffoon, nobody is denying the "existence" of Muslims or Christians, they were the same people who invaded the holy land of the Jews. And despite that, the Jews kept a presence and kept coming back to their religious, ancestral, and cultural holy land over the mellenia.
Actually it's you terrorist ass kissers that deny the presence and migration of Jews to Israel over the last two thousand years.
Actually it's you terrorist ass kissers that deny the presence of Muslims in Palestine over the last two thousand years.
Awkward.
Islam was invented less than 1,400 years ago, Mr. Muhammud Bumpkin.
Math is not a priority at your madrassah so I'm glad to lend an assist.
Muslims didn't exist two thousand years ago because Islamism had not yet been invented.
Your homework for tonight is to plot a reverse timeline on graph paper. Tell us what you find..... and then stop slamming your forehead on the mat.
You may eventually emerge from your coma.
This thread is for: Zionists who Deny the Existence of the Palestinian Christians and Muslims
The point has been made and is unmistakable. Everyone reading along should note the multiple pages of trolling by our Israeli posters who refuse to see what clearly is right in front of their noses.
The jews today in Palestine are Europeans, Mrs. Bumpkin.
Recent history is not a priority at your temple so I'm glad to lend an assist.
Your homework for tonight is to read some actual history on this topic and see for yourself that yes, there were people there when the Europeans arrived, both Christian and Muslim. Tell us what you find..... and then stop slamming your forehead on the mat.
You may eventually emerge from your coma.
That was a lot of your usual plagiarizing and a lot of your usual befuddled spamming in an attempt to defend your profound ignorance.
How is it that Moslems existed in your imaginary "country of Pal'istan" two thousand years ago when,
1. There was never a "country of Pal'istan", and,
2. Islamism did not exist two thousand years ago, hence, no Islamists two thousand years ago.
Really, muhammud, maybe try banging you forehead with yet greater force to see if that will knock some sense into you.
Again now, I go away for just a couple of days and the level of dumb rises at an insane level.Zzzzz...what a buffoon, nobody is denying the "existence" of Jews, they were the same people who invaded the holy land of the Christians and Muslims. And despite that, the Christians and Muslims kept a presence and kept coming back to their religious, ancestral, and cultural holy land over the millennia.Zzzzz...what a buffoon, nobody is denying the "existence" of Muslims or Christians, they were the same people who invaded the holy land of the Jews. And despite that, the Jews kept a presence and kept coming back to their religious, ancestral, and cultural holy land over the mellenia.
Actually it's you terrorist ass kissers that deny the presence and migration of Jews to Israel over the last two thousand years.
Actually it's you terrorist ass kissers that deny the presence of Muslims in Palestine over the last two thousand years.
Awkward.
Islam was invented less than 1,400 years ago, Mr. Muhammud Bumpkin.
Math is not a priority at your madrassah so I'm glad to lend an assist.
Muslims didn't exist two thousand years ago because Islamism had not yet been invented.
Your homework for tonight is to plot a reverse timeline on graph paper. Tell us what you find..... and then stop slamming your forehead on the mat.
You may eventually emerge from your coma.
This thread is for: Zionists who Deny the Existence of the Palestinian Christians and Muslims
The point has been made and is unmistakable. Everyone reading along should note the multiple pages of trolling by our Israeli posters who refuse to see what clearly is right in front of their noses.
The jews today in Palestine are Europeans, Mrs. Bumpkin.
Recent history is not a priority at your temple so I'm glad to lend an assist.
Your homework for tonight is to read some actual history on this topic and see for yourself that yes, there were people there when the Europeans arrived, both Christian and Muslim. Tell us what you find..... and then stop slamming your forehead on the mat.
You may eventually emerge from your coma.
That was a lot of your usual plagiarizing and a lot of your usual befuddled spamming in an attempt to defend your profound ignorance.
How is it that Moslems existed in your imaginary "country of Pal'istan" two thousand years ago when,
1. There was never a "country of Pal'istan", and,
2. Islamism did not exist two thousand years ago, hence, no Islamists two thousand years ago.
Really, muhammud, maybe try banging you forehead with yet greater force to see if that will knock some sense into you.
That was a lot of your usual dumb and a lot of your usual befuddled spamming in an attempt to defend your profound ignorance.
How is it that Europeans moved to Palestine in just the last century?
1. There were Palestinian people who lived there, both Christian and Muslim and,
2. Judaism has nothing to do with zionism, hence, no zionists even need to be there.
Really, sweety, maybe try banging you forehead with yet greater force to see if that will knock some sense into you.
I even bolded the important part for you, now get back to your homework. It really was not that difficult an assignment, even for a young child.
You need to read up on your history. Palestine became a successor state to the Turkish Empire upon the signing of the Treat of Lausanne.When was Palestine a state, legally, politically or ANYTHING?!OK, but legally Palestine is a state. Politically it is not.That's why you never learn anything. It shows in your posts.
People who have things to teach would be able to respond to the substance of my comments. They would be able to dissect and interpret the videos they post and comment on relevant material. They would not be limited to lame one-liners.
We are currently discussing this specific question: A State which seeks to preserve and self-determine a specific cultural or ethnic group on their territory of origin, ancestry and history has consistently been proven to be a legitimate form of State development and formation.
Put up or shut up. In your own words.
It is just the opposite for Israel.
