thoughts and prayer again?

The us government is not composed of nazis or run by hitler.

At least as long as we keep the current crop of banana republicans out.

Yeah, nazis would arrest political opponents and put them in prison for decades over minor crimes, and nazis would keep the leader of the opposition party off of the ballot for the Presidential election.......nazis would use the Federal police force to spy on citizens going to church and school board meetings.....

Ummmmmm, I don't think you understand what nazis actually do......
 
Yeah, nazis would arrest political opponents and put them in prison for decades over minor crimes, and nazis would keep the leader of the opposition party off of the ballot for the Presidential election.......nazis would use the Federal police force to spy on citizens going to church and school board meetings.....

Ummmmmm, I don't think you understand what nazis actually do......
This post ^^^^^^ reads like a campaign platform of a maga fuckup
 
Nope.......

Case Closed: Kleck Is Still Correct





There are roughly 100,000 people shot in the United States yearly, and something over 30,000 die. If this 1/3 vs. 2/3 ratio of deaths to injuries in actual shootings pertains in these DGUs, that makes for at least 176,000 lives saved—less some attackers who lost their lives to defenders. This enormous benefit dwarfs, both in human and economic terms, the losses trumpeted by hoplophobes who only choose to see the risk side of the equation.



that makes for at least 176,000 lives saved—


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A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)


2021 national firearm survey, Prof. William English, PhD. designed by Deborah Azrael of Harvard T. Chan School of public policy, and Mathew Miller, Northeastern university.......1.67 million defensive uses annually.

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

2021 national firearms survey..

The survey was designed by Deborah Azrael of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, and Matthew Miller of Northeastern University,
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The survey further finds that approximately a third of gun owners (31.1%) have used a firearm to defend themselves or their property, often on more than one occasion, and it estimates that guns are used defensively by firearms owners in approximately 1.67 million incidents per year. Handguns are the most common firearm employed for self-defense (used in 65.9% of defensive incidents), and in most defensive incidents (81.9%) no shot was fired. Approximately a quarter (25.2%) of defensive incidents occurred within the gun owner's home, and approximately half (53.9%) occurred outside their home, but on their property. About one out of ten (9.1%) defensive gun uses occurred in public, and about one out of twenty (4.8%) occurred at work.
2021 National Firearms Survey

Clinton's study by the DOJ....

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf

Applying those restrictions leaves 19 NSPOF respondents (0.8 percent of the sample), representing 1.5 million defensive users. This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known estimate of Kleck and Gertz, shown in the last column of exhibit 7. While the NSPOF estimate is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error. Inclusion of multiple DGUs reported by half of the 19 NSPOF respondents increases the estimate to 4.7 million DGUs.



n the third column of Table 6.2, we apply the Kleck and Gertz (1995) criteria for "genuine" DGUs (type A), leaving us with just 19 respondents. They represent 1.5 million defensive users. This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known Kleck and Gertz estimate of 2.5 million, shown in the last

While ours is smaller, it is staistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error. to the when we include the multiple DGUs victim. defensive reported by half our 19 respondents, our estimate increases to 4.7 milli

While ours is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference petrator; in most cases (69 percent), the is due to sampling error. Note that when we include the multiple DGUs reported by half our 19 respondents, our estimate increases to 4.7 million DGUs.
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As shown in Table 6.6, the defender fired his or her gun in 27 percent of these incidents (combined "fire warning shots" and "fire at perpetrator" percentages, though some respondents reported firing both warning shots and airning at the perpetrator). Forty percent of these were "warning shots," and about a third were aimed at the perpetrator but missed. The perpetrator was wounded by the crime victim in eight percent of all DGUs. In nine percent of DGUs the victim captured and held the perpetrator at gunpoint until the police could arrive.

Obama's study...

Defensive Use of Guns

Defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence, although the exact number remains disputed (Cook and Ludwig, 1996; Kleck, 2001a). Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million (Kleck, 2001a), in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008 (BJS, 2010).
National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. 2013. Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence. Washington, DC: The National Academies Press. Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence | The National Academies Press.

Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence | Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence | The National Academies Press
YOu've posted that made up crap a million times.

That doesn't change the fact that it's bullshit. If it were true the ERs would be full of the people shot by these imaginary defenders.

They aren't, in case you haven't noticed.

ERGO: it's bullshit.
 
Yeah, nazis would arrest political opponents and put them in prison for decades over minor crimes, and nazis would keep the leader of the opposition party off of the ballot for the Presidential election.......nazis would use the Federal police force to spy on citizens going to church and school board meetings.....

Ummmmmm, I don't think you understand what nazis actually do......
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Don't see it at all, do you.
 
Dear Crepitus....

In the 1920s, we did what you preach, we registered our legal guns because the government would keep us safe. In 1939, our governments used those registration lists to confiscate our legal guns......

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And here’s another lie Republicans use to ‘justify’ their opposition to addressing gun crime and violence, along with willful ignorance and demagoguery.

Guns won’t be ‘banned,’ guns won’t be ‘confiscated’ – but the dishonest right will continue to propagate these lies.
 
And here’s another lie Republicans use to ‘justify’ their opposition to addressing gun crime and violence, along with willful ignorance and demagoguery.

Guns won’t be ‘banned,’ guns won’t be ‘confiscated’ – but the dishonest right will continue to propagate these lies.


As the leadership of the democrat party and their support groups continuously talk about banning guns and confiscating them......
 
And here’s another lie Republicans use to ‘justify’ their opposition to addressing gun crime and violence, along with willful ignorance and demagoguery.

Guns won’t be ‘banned,’ guns won’t be ‘confiscated’ – but the dishonest right will continue to propagate these lies.
Under the new IL law new sales of certain guns are banned and if you already own one it will be confiscated if you don't register it.
 
What a commercial. Stunning dark parody. Republican politicians... nevermind, they dont care.
 

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