This Is Why The NRA Opposes ANY Anti-Gun Legislation...

[Aldo Raine]

...and why the Pro-Abortionists are much the same way about opposing ANY ban on anything related to outlawing abortions:

Pelosi: I sure hope a ban on bump stocks is a slippery slope to more gun control - Hot Air

IMO both groups fear / believe that if they give even an inch on ANYTHING the rabid partisans 'on the other side' will see it as 'blood in the water' and will only demand more and more and more.....

And shows the reason why I made the thread about you don't have to be 100% for or against every conceivable thing.
And, as the articles states, Pelosi once again shows how utterly useless and stupid she is. A number of conservatives, like myself, have the common sense to be open on banning bump stocks. It makes sense. They only exist to circumvent the auto ban.
But - you are correct, by showing her ass she has likely killed any hope of such a ban.

They are all idiots.

I'm right there with you on being open about such things as Bump Stocks. The arguments that it is for 'sport shooting', 'Hunting', or 'cause the constitution says we can have one' doesn't carry any weight, especially when things like this shooting are going on.

100% with you guys on this, oh and fuck Nancy the dingbat.

 

[martybegan]

As I stated in other threads, they can show their goodwill by doing things like supporting national CCW reciprocity and having NYC abandon its infringing Handgun laws.

Fine . So long as the other state meets the same standards as the 2nd state .

NYC only issues a CCW if they feel like it.

and anything beyond a background check and maybe a safety class is infringement.

How is violent crime in NYC?

Not material to the conversation. I have a right to be armed in my own home if I so choose so, and NYC has no right to impose such restrictions as they do on something as simple as a revolver.

It is down which means they are doing much better than we are nationally. And much better than places handing out lots of concealed carry...

Correlation does not equal causation.

 

[martybegan]

As I stated in other threads, they can show their goodwill by doing things like supporting national CCW reciprocity and having NYC abandon its infringing Handgun laws.

Fine . So long as the other state meets the same standards as the 2nd state .

NYC only issues a CCW if they feel like it.

and anything beyond a background check and maybe a safety class is infringement.

How is violent crime in NYC?

Not material to the conversation. I have a right to be armed in my own home if I so choose so, and NYC has no right to impose such restrictions as they do on something as simple as a revolver.

Ny is tough on carry . I don't believe home use is as strict .

To simply own a revolver legally you have to wait up to 6 months and pay $600 or so in fees.

 

[bripat9643]

Fine . So long as the other state meets the same standards as the 2nd state .

NYC only issues a CCW if they feel like it.

and anything beyond a background check and maybe a safety class is infringement.

How is violent crime in NYC?

Not material to the conversation. I have a right to be armed in my own home if I so choose so, and NYC has no right to impose such restrictions as they do on something as simple as a revolver.

Ny is tough on carry . I don't believe home use is as strict .

To simply own a revolver legally you have to wait up to 6 months and pay $600 or so in fees.

You have to apply for a license, and you have to show "need" to get one. The city seldom grants them.

 

[martybegan]

NYC only issues a CCW if they feel like it.

and anything beyond a background check and maybe a safety class is infringement.

How is violent crime in NYC?

Not material to the conversation. I have a right to be armed in my own home if I so choose so, and NYC has no right to impose such restrictions as they do on something as simple as a revolver.

Ny is tough on carry . I don't believe home use is as strict .

To simply own a revolver legally you have to wait up to 6 months and pay $600 or so in fees.

You have to apply for a license, and you have to show "need" to get one. The city seldom grants them.

need if for CCW, and that process is longer and even more expensive. for keeping it at home you don't have to show need.

 

[bripat9643]

How is violent crime in NYC?

Not material to the conversation. I have a right to be armed in my own home if I so choose so, and NYC has no right to impose such restrictions as they do on something as simple as a revolver.

Ny is tough on carry . I don't believe home use is as strict .

To simply own a revolver legally you have to wait up to 6 months and pay $600 or so in fees.

You have to apply for a license, and you have to show "need" to get one. The city seldom grants them.

need if for CCW, and that process is longer and even more expensive. for keeping it at home you don't have to show need.

I think you do in New York City. Here's a link that explains the application process. Note: there is an interview where they ask you why you "need" to have a handgun. Permits are issued at the city's discretion.

Getting A NYC Handgun Permit | New York City Guns

 

[martybegan]

Not material to the conversation. I have a right to be armed in my own home if I so choose so, and NYC has no right to impose such restrictions as they do on something as simple as a revolver.

Ny is tough on carry . I don't believe home use is as strict .

To simply own a revolver legally you have to wait up to 6 months and pay $600 or so in fees.

You have to apply for a license, and you have to show "need" to get one. The city seldom grants them.

need if for CCW, and that process is longer and even more expensive. for keeping it at home you don't have to show need.

I think you do in New York City. Here's a link that explains the application process. Note: there is an interview where they ask you why you "need" to have a handgun. Permits are issued at the city's discretion.

Getting A NYC Handgun Permit | New York City Guns

i've seen the article before. The difference is that for a home permit they will accept the home defense answer.

For a CCW just saying you want to protect yourself would be rejected.

Although the current case coming before the Supreme Court may change that.

 

[Brain357]

Fine . So long as the other state meets the same standards as the 2nd state .

NYC only issues a CCW if they feel like it.

and anything beyond a background check and maybe a safety class is infringement.

How is violent crime in NYC?

Not material to the conversation. I have a right to be armed in my own home if I so choose so, and NYC has no right to impose such restrictions as they do on something as simple as a revolver.

It is down which means they are doing much better than we are nationally. And much better than places handing out lots of concealed carry...

Correlation does not equal causation.

I can see why they want to keep their crime down.

 

[martybegan]

NYC only issues a CCW if they feel like it.

and anything beyond a background check and maybe a safety class is infringement.

How is violent crime in NYC?

Not material to the conversation. I have a right to be armed in my own home if I so choose so, and NYC has no right to impose such restrictions as they do on something as simple as a revolver.

It is down which means they are doing much better than we are nationally. And much better than places handing out lots of concealed carry...

Correlation does not equal causation.

I can see why they want to keep their crime down.

That has nothing to do with the crime rate. Broken windows policing is what brought it down, something DiBlasio wants to end.

 

[Brain357]

How is violent crime in NYC?

Not material to the conversation. I have a right to be armed in my own home if I so choose so, and NYC has no right to impose such restrictions as they do on something as simple as a revolver.

It is down which means they are doing much better than we are nationally. And much better than places handing out lots of concealed carry...

Correlation does not equal causation.

I can see why they want to keep their crime down.

That has nothing to do with the crime rate. Broken windows policing is what brought it down, something DiBlasio wants to end.

Interesting claim. Fact is they are doing much better than places with lots of concealed carry. The claim of that lowering crime seems to be proven wrong again.

 

[martybegan]

Not material to the conversation. I have a right to be armed in my own home if I so choose so, and NYC has no right to impose such restrictions as they do on something as simple as a revolver.

It is down which means they are doing much better than we are nationally. And much better than places handing out lots of concealed carry...

Correlation does not equal causation.

I can see why they want to keep their crime down.

That has nothing to do with the crime rate. Broken windows policing is what brought it down, something DiBlasio wants to end.

Interesting claim. Fact is they are doing much better than places with lots of concealed carry. The claim of that lowering crime seems to be proven wrong again.

How many crimes on average are committed by CCW holders anywhere?

 

[Brain357]

It is down which means they are doing much better than we are nationally. And much better than places handing out lots of concealed carry...

Correlation does not equal causation.

I can see why they want to keep their crime down.

That has nothing to do with the crime rate. Broken windows policing is what brought it down, something DiBlasio wants to end.

Interesting claim. Fact is they are doing much better than places with lots of concealed carry. The claim of that lowering crime seems to be proven wrong again.

How many crimes on average are committed by CCW holders anywhere?

How many criminals arm up when there is more ccw?

 

[martybegan]

Correlation does not equal causation.

I can see why they want to keep their crime down.

That has nothing to do with the crime rate. Broken windows policing is what brought it down, something DiBlasio wants to end.

Interesting claim. Fact is they are doing much better than places with lots of concealed carry. The claim of that lowering crime seems to be proven wrong again.

How many crimes on average are committed by CCW holders anywhere?

How many criminals arm up when there is more ccw?

How many do so anyway in places they know the people are likely unarmed and vulnerable?

 

[Brain357]

I can see why they want to keep their crime down.

That has nothing to do with the crime rate. Broken windows policing is what brought it down, something DiBlasio wants to end.

Interesting claim. Fact is they are doing much better than places with lots of concealed carry. The claim of that lowering crime seems to be proven wrong again.

How many crimes on average are committed by CCW holders anywhere?

How many criminals arm up when there is more ccw?

How many do so anyway in places they know the people are likely unarmed and vulnerable?

Based on statistics it is clear our criminals arms up more than in other countries with fewer guns.

 

[martybegan]

That has nothing to do with the crime rate. Broken windows policing is what brought it down, something DiBlasio wants to end.

Interesting claim. Fact is they are doing much better than places with lots of concealed carry. The claim of that lowering crime seems to be proven wrong again.

How many crimes on average are committed by CCW holders anywhere?

How many criminals arm up when there is more ccw?

How many do so anyway in places they know the people are likely unarmed and vulnerable?

Based on statistics it is clear our criminals arms up more than in other countries with fewer guns.

So you are blaming the victims then?

 

[BluesLegend]

Would you negotiate with the other side knowing they lie and have no intention of honoring a compromise? Hell no.

 

[Thinker101]

Would you negotiate with the other side knowing they lie and have no intention of honoring a compromise? Hell no.

Only if your name is Obama.

 

[Brain357]

And where do more cops get killed? States with lax gun laws.
Police Officer Fatality Rates by State

 

[Brain357]

Interesting claim. Fact is they are doing much better than places with lots of concealed carry. The claim of that lowering crime seems to be proven wrong again.

How many crimes on average are committed by CCW holders anywhere?

How many criminals arm up when there is more ccw?

How many do so anyway in places they know the people are likely unarmed and vulnerable?

Based on statistics it is clear our criminals arms up more than in other countries with fewer guns.

So you are blaming the victims then?

I'm giving you facts.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Only if your name is Obama.

But, I think Obama had no delusion that Iran would fuck us in the ass. He did it on purpose. Obama was put in power by globalist who wanted to put the breaks on America. That is exactly what he did.