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Currently, just 42% support the health care plan proposed by the President and Congressional Democrats. Fifty-four percent (54%) are opposed. Just 31% of voters believe that Congress has a good understanding of the health care proposal.America does not guarantee you the right to hold onto everything you value. America gives you the right to live in a country where the majority decides the direction. If the majority holds different values, then your (or my) values may not be reflected. Then your recourse is not violence - it is to do the work that is needed to convince a majority that your values SHOULD be the ones reflected in our nation. The fact that someone finds themself in an ideological minority is not a failure of representative democracy or our system, it is a failure of that ideology and it's proponents to win approval.
Well if only that were true.
The majority are being plagued by a tyranny of progressive policies that only a small percentage support.
That's a common complaint from the ideological minority. It basically says, yeah we didn't have more votes than they did, but ....... (insert preffered rationalization here)
You have about 3 years to convince a majority of voters that this president doesn't reflect their values. I would suggest that simply pretending the statement is already true, is not an efficient use of your time. But that's just mho.
And I gave you mine. I cannot speak with any real authority for anyone else, but if so many people would welcome that speech - why wasn't someone who represented those values elected in the first place?In all due respect I didn't ask for a critique of the speech. I asked what the public reaction would likely be to the speech.
A large enough majority can re-write the entire Constitution.Until the Constitution is changed, being American is a guarantee of certain fundamental rights that are inviolate no matter how large a majority would presume to deny me those.
I referred to convictions that you or I hold strongly. If it is a strongly held conviction, and you have no reason to believe it is held imprudently, what criteria would be necessary for you to agree to compromise it?
Currently, just 42% support the health care plan proposed by the President and Congressional Democrats. Fifty-four percent (54%) are opposed. Just 31% of voters believe that Congress has a good understanding of the health care proposal.Well if only that were true.
The majority are being plagued by a tyranny of progressive policies that only a small percentage support.
That's a common complaint from the ideological minority. It basically says, yeah we didn't have more votes than they did, but ....... (insert preffered rationalization here)
You have about 3 years to convince a majority of voters that this president doesn't reflect their values. I would suggest that simply pretending the statement is already true, is not an efficient use of your time. But that's just mho.
Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports™
And I gave you mine. I cannot speak with any real authority for anyone else, but if so many people would welcome that speech - why wasn't someone who represented those values elected in the first place?In all due respect I didn't ask for a critique of the speech. I asked what the public reaction would likely be to the speech.
A large enough majority can re-write the entire Constitution.Until the Constitution is changed, being American is a guarantee of certain fundamental rights that are inviolate no matter how large a majority would presume to deny me those.
I referred to convictions that you or I hold strongly. If it is a strongly held conviction, and you have no reason to believe it is held imprudently, what criteria would be necessary for you to agree to compromise it?
Fair enough. I'll give it a shot. In order to make me change my mind about a "conviction" it would probably take a little bit more evidence, logical and "convincing" than it took me to form the conviction in the first place (inertia). That's it. There are some convictions that I hold that I seriously doubt I will ever change.
Now, in order to participate in setting a public policy that does not reflect my own deeply held conviction - I may not be able to participate in that at all. I may simply vote no or I may work hard to convince others to share my conviction. And if I lose, I'll just have to work harder and change people's minds.
I'm not sure this answers your question - but I tried as best I could. Maybe I misunderstood something?
A real poll? that has 57 % support? what an SEIU poll .Currently, just 42% support the health care plan proposed by the President and Congressional Democrats. Fifty-four percent (54%) are opposed. Just 31% of voters believe that Congress has a good understanding of the health care proposal.That's a common complaint from the ideological minority. It basically says, yeah we didn't have more votes than they did, but ....... (insert preffered rationalization here)
You have about 3 years to convince a majority of voters that this president doesn't reflect their values. I would suggest that simply pretending the statement is already true, is not an efficient use of your time. But that's just mho.
Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports
I can quote you a poll that says 57% support it. (and then we could engage in the circular pursuit of discrediting the other's poll ad naseum - but to what practical end?)
The "poll" that was taken Nov. 4, 2008 is the one that counts.
Power is held by the people true enough. Currently the government is bent on wrestling that power from us. Dicating a health care system, ignoring illegal immigration, increasing the differences in economic classes, cutting off public debate and many other issues.
Leadership changes don't seem to make a difference. The Constitutional framers were not without understanding that enemies domestic might result in a need for arms to be raised. Politicans need to understand pacification, retaliation, and propagandization are not the tools of the Republic.
I think what you are overlooking is that a majority of Americans elected this government and healthcare reform was part of their platform - people knew it and they elected them. Voters have elected "changes in direction" many times before. If they don't like the direction, then the system provides a peaceful way to change it back if they so choose.
We had very devisive elections in 1960 and in 2000 and yet the transition was peaceful and smooth (in spite of all the yelling and screaming - there was no bloodshed) We might have our differences but we respect the rule of law. That sets us apart from many other nations - and imho in a very good way.
Violence is NOT a substitute for getting the votes you need.
Someone who said he represented most of those values WAS elected. But that isn't what we got.
But do you hold so little conviction about the fundamental rights guaranteed by the Constitution that you would not resist that majority in every way that you could? How many of your rights would you willingly and without resistance give up just because you were outvoted?
A real poll? that has 57 % support? what an SEIU poll .Currently, just 42% support the health care plan proposed by the President and Congressional Democrats. Fifty-four percent (54%) are opposed. Just 31% of voters believe that Congress has a good understanding of the health care proposal.
Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports™
I can quote you a poll that says 57% support it. (and then we could engage in the circular pursuit of discrediting the other's poll ad naseum - but to what practical end?)
The "poll" that was taken Nov. 4, 2008 is the one that counts.
I doubt it.
The point being you are wrong..
Mob rules is not how America is supposed to work no matter who is currently governing.
Power is held by the people true enough. Currently the government is bent on wrestling that power from us. Dicating a health care system, ignoring illegal immigration, increasing the differences in economic classes, cutting off public debate and many other issues.
Leadership changes don't seem to make a difference. The Constitutional framers were not without understanding that enemies domestic might result in a need for arms to be raised. Politicans need to understand pacification, retaliation, and propagandization are not the tools of the Republic.
I think what you are overlooking is that a majority of Americans elected this government and healthcare reform was part of their platform - people knew it and they elected them. Voters have elected "changes in direction" many times before. If they don't like the direction, then the system provides a peaceful way to change it back if they so choose.
We had very devisive elections in 1960 and in 2000 and yet the transition was peaceful and smooth (in spite of all the yelling and screaming - there was no bloodshed) We might have our differences but we respect the rule of law. That sets us apart from many other nations - and imho in a very good way.
Violence is NOT a substitute for getting the votes you need.
The rule of law is a two-tiered system at best.
Violence is a substitute for votes. Fortunately one that is not necessary at this point in time. If we continue down our present path of listing enemies of the President, runaway spending and reduced liberties, there may be no alternative.
If you notice, I used words like if and may, so I don't expect it to happen. If it did come to civil war, you'd shoot Glenn Beck before me anyway.
A real poll? that has 57 % support? what an SEIU poll .I can quote you a poll that says 57% support it. (and then we could engage in the circular pursuit of discrediting the other's poll ad naseum - but to what practical end?)
The "poll" that was taken Nov. 4, 2008 is the one that counts.
I doubt it.
The point being you are wrong..
Mob rules is not how America is supposed to work no matter who is currently governing.
WashintonPost/ABC News poll
UPDATE: Public Insurance Option Gains Ground In New Poll - WSJ.com
Majority rules IS how the United States of America is supposed to work and how it was designed to work. I understand that finding yourself in the ideological minority is frustrating to you, but violence is not a substitute for votes. Not in the United States anyway.
if you notice, i used words like if and may, so i don't expect it to happen. If it did come to civil war, you'd shoot glenn beck before me anyway.
You'd shoot me while i was aiming at glenn beck
So there is no assault on freedom from the government on the people that would cause you to take up arms against the government?
Indeed, the flip-flop syndrome can be suicide in this day and age of instant reporting from the blogosphere, which often gets distorted before all the facts are in. By then, the reason therefor is usually too late.
The radical extreme left would almost certainly go ballistic, but what would the public reaction be if President Obama went on television tonight with this statement:
"My Fellow Americans: After spending a great deal of time in meditation, reflection, and soul searching, I have come to realize that I have been wrong. I have listened to the wrong advisors and ignored wisdom and counsel from true experts. America is the best country in the world and I will no longer apologize for who we are even as I pledge to help us make us better. The government is too big, too expensive, and we have too many issues on the table that are not in the long range interests of the people. I am as committed to health care reform and environmental concerns as ever but I now believe the current legislation is wrong for America. I am asking my administration and Congress to stop now, and start over. And let's get it right so that future generations will benefit and not suffer from our decisions today. I am as committed as ever to peaceful solutions to all problems, but the USA will not be compromising on anything that will weaken our ability to defend ourselves no matter what happens. I am as committed as ever to fiscal responsibility and I see now that what we're doing is not working. We are rolling back all uncommitted and unspent portions of the stimulus bill and will be looking for ways to cut expenses at all levels of government while providing encouragement to recovery in the private sector. I have been wrong. I will now be trying my very best to get it right."
FoxFyre said:Until the Constitution is changed, being American is a guarantee of certain fundamental rights that are inviolate no matter how large a majority would presume to deny me those. One of those rights is the pursuit of (my) happiness so long as the rights of others are not violated and the right to express my opinions so long as the rights of others are not violated.
America does not guarantee you the right to hold onto everything you value. America gives you the right to live in a country where the majority decides the direction. If the majority holds different values, then your (or my) values may not be reflected. Then your recourse is not violence - it is to do the work that is needed to convince a majority that your values SHOULD be the ones reflected in our nation. The fact that someone finds themself in an ideological minority is not a failure of representative democracy or our system, it is a failure of that ideology and it's proponents to win approval.
Well if only that were true.
The majority are being plagued by a tyranny of progressive policies that only a small percentage support.
Currently, just 42% support the health care plan proposed by the President and Congressional Democrats. Fifty-four percent (54%) are opposed. Just 31% of voters believe that Congress has a good understanding of the health care proposal.Well if only that were true.
The majority are being plagued by a tyranny of progressive policies that only a small percentage support.
That's a common complaint from the ideological minority. It basically says, yeah we didn't have more votes than they did, but ....... (insert preffered rationalization here)
You have about 3 years to convince a majority of voters that this president doesn't reflect their values. I would suggest that simply pretending the statement is already true, is not an efficient use of your time. But that's just mho.
Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports
Power is held by the people true enough. Currently the government is bent on wrestling that power from us. Dicating a health care system, ignoring illegal immigration, increasing the differences in economic classes, cutting off public debate and many other issues.
Leadership changes don't seem to make a difference. The Constitutional framers were not without understanding that enemies domestic might result in a need for arms to be raised. Politicans need to understand pacification, retaliation, and propagandization are not the tools of the Republic.
I think what you are overlooking is that a majority of Americans elected this government and healthcare reform was part of their platform - people knew it and they elected them. Voters have elected "changes in direction" many times before. If they don't like the direction, then the system provides a peaceful way to change it back if they so choose.
We had very devisive elections in 1960 and in 2000 and yet the transition was peaceful and smooth (in spite of all the yelling and screaming - there was no bloodshed) We might have our differences but we respect the rule of law. That sets us apart from many other nations - and imho in a very good way.
Violence is NOT a substitute for getting the votes you need.
The rule of law is a two-tiered system at best.
Violence is a substitute for votes. Fortunately one that is not necessary at this point in time. If we continue down our present path of listing enemies of the President, runaway spending and reduced liberties, there may be no alternative.
So there is no assault on freedom from the government on the people that would cause you to take up arms against the government?
Hard to make an absolute blanket statement like that. But I cannot conceive of anything that would prompt me to take up arms against my country. Try me - see if you can come up with something outlandish enough.
Would that do it ????? 
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