Third time's the charm: Federal Appeals court voids provisions of DC gun control in Heller III

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When liberals do something unconstitutional and get caught by the courts, they simply keep doing it anyway. Until court decision after court decision takes away their freedom to violate the Constitution and pounds them into the ground until they finally start obeying it instead.

The just received another such pounding, the latest in a long series. Undoubtedly with more yet to come.

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https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150918/third-times-the-charm-federal-appeals-court-voids-provisions-of-dc-gun-control-in-heller-iii

Third Time's the Charm: Federal Appeals Court Voids Provisions of D.C. Gun Control in Heller III

Dick Anthony Heller, the lead plaintiff in the historic 2008 Supreme Court case that invalidated D.C.’s handgun ban, has once again successfully challenged D.C.’s oppressive gun control regime. Today, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit issued a ruling in the NRA-supported case of Heller v. District of Columbia (Heller III), bringing further relief to the beleaguered law-abiding gun owners of the nation’s capital. While the court did not totally invalidate D.C.’s onerous registration regime, today’s ruling is an important step in bringing gun ownership within reach to more of D.C.’s upstanding residents.

Following the Supreme Court’s rebuke in the original Heller case, an unrepentant D.C. Council immediately set out to make the lawful keeping and bearing of arms in the District as expensive, time-consuming, and difficult as possible. Intrepid reporter Emily Miller chronicled her own experience negotiating D.C.’s firearm registration process between 2011 and 2012 in a series of reports for the Washington Times that later formed the basis for a book. At the time, registration involved a 17-step process, $465 in fees (not including the price of the gun), five hours of mandatory training that had to be completed outside the District, and multiple trips to D.C. Metropolitan Police Department (MPD) headquarters during business hours.

Thanks to a combination of political advocacy, media exposé, and litigation, the hurdles and expense of D.C.’s firearm registration process have been whittled down over the years. Nevertheless, the District has consistently remained one of the most difficult places in the U.S. to acquire a firearm lawfully. The plaintiffs in Heller III challenged numerous aspects of the remaining law, including its application to long guns; the requirement for applicants to appear at police headquarters to be fingerprinted, photographed, and to submit their registration paperwork; the requirement that registrants bring their firearms into police headquarters; the expiration of the registration after three years; various fees; the mandatory training requirements; the requirement of passing a test on D.C. law; and a prohibition on the same person registering more than one handgun during any 30-day period.

District officials attempted to justify these requirements on the basis of “protecting police officers” and “promoting public safety.” Significantly, the court of appeals found that “the District has not offered substantial evidence from which one could draw a reasonable conclusion that the challenged requirements will protect police officers ….”

Citing the testimony the of one of the District’s own witnesses, the court noted that police are trained to account for the possible presence of dangerous weapons in any situation where they might encounter a crime in progress, a domestic dispute, or any other potentially violent environment. This is so, the expert acknowledged, even when responding to calls at locations without registered weapons. In any event, the evidence in the case revealed that MPD officers very rarely even bother to check the firearm registry when responding to a call, conducting an investigation, or executing a search warrant.

The court also determined that several of the challenged registration requirements did not promote public safety, including the requirement that applicants bring the firearms they wish to register to MPD headquarters; the three-year expiration and re-registration requirement; the required test of legal knowledge; and the limitation of registering one handgun per person during any 30 day period.

Accordingly, it held that all of these requirements offended the Second Amendment and are unenforceable.
The court rejected the premise that limiting the number of firearms lawfully present in a home is a valid argument for gun control, even if it could reduce the harm that could be caused by firearms generally. “Accepting that as true,” the court wrote, “it does not justify restricting an individual’s undoubted constitutional right to keep arms (plural) in his or her home, whether for self-defense or hunting or just collecting, because, taken to its logical conclusion, that reasoning would justify a total ban on firearms kept in the home.” This may be one of the most significant aspects of the decision, as discouraging lawful gun ownership has been the cornerstone of D.C.’s approach to gun control.

While these developments will bring substantial benefits to those who wish to lawfully own guns in D.C., the court still upheld the balance of the registration procedure. If history is any guide, moreover, the District may seek further review of the court’s decision, or it may simply enact other impediments to firearm ownership, which will require further court testing at taxpayer expense. Thus, while pro-gun advocates should cheer the court’s ruling, it also merely underscores the ongoing necessity of the D.C. Second Amendment Enforcement Act, which would comprehensively reform D.C.’s gun control laws and prohibit future abuses by the D.C. Council.
 
"When liberals do something unconstitutional and get caught by the courts, they simply keep doing it anyway. Until court decision after court decision takes away their freedom to violate the Constitution and pounds them into the ground until they finally start obeying it instead.

The just received another such pounding, the latest in a long series. Undoubtedly with more yet to come."

Wrong.

This is another ridiculous lie from the right, as the issue has nothing to do with 'liberals.'

In addition, the OP displays only his comprehensive ignorance of the law, of the judicial process, and the evolving nature of Second Amendment jurisprudence.

And obviously the OP didn't bother to read the ruling itself, depending instead on the errant, misleading spin from the NRA.

Upheld:

Registration of long guns

The fingerprint and photograph requirement

The personal appearance registration requirement

The paying of registration fees

The firearm safety and training requirement

The use of intermediate scrutiny in determining the constitutionality of firearms regulation.

The actual ruling:
Court opinion on D.C. gun laws

Consequently, the bulk of the District's provisions with regard to firearms regulation passed Constitutional muster, consistent with other Federal courts of appeal.

We may not like or agree with the above, we might hold that the above is not consistent with Heller and the doctrine of an individual right to possess a firearm for lawful self-defense; indeed, I consider gun registration, licensing and fees, and training requirements to be an undue burden on the Second Amendment right – which would likely be the case if strict scrutiny were applied, but that is currently not the case. I am entitled to this opinion, provided I concede that as a fact of law my opinion is subjective, irrelevant, and wrong.

It is therefore incumbent upon all gun owners and advocates of the rights enshrined in the Second Amendment to acknowledge and respect current Second Amendment jurisprudence – however much we may disagree – and continue to pursue the issue in the courts.

What is unwarranted idiocy, however, is to make the issue partisan, with ridiculous references to 'liberals' and how 'the left' is opposed to gun rights, as that is again clearly a lie, and renders foolish the propagators of such lies, such as the OP.

In this case, where the dissenting judge, who would have upheld the District's gun regulation in its entirety, was appointed to the bench by George H.W. Bush – so much for 'liberals' seeking to 'violate' the Constitution.
 
"When liberals do something unconstitutional and get caught by the courts, they simply keep doing it anyway. Until court decision after court decision takes away their freedom to violate the Constitution and pounds them into the ground until they finally start obeying it instead.

The just received another such pounding, the latest in a long series. Undoubtedly with more yet to come."

Wrong.

This is another ridiculous lie from the right, as the issue has nothing to do with 'liberals.'

In addition, the OP displays only his comprehensive ignorance of the law, of the judicial process, and the evolving nature of Second Amendment jurisprudence.

And obviously the OP didn't bother to read the ruling itself, depending instead on the errant, misleading spin from the NRA.

Upheld:

Registration of long guns

The fingerprint and photograph requirement

The personal appearance registration requirement

The paying of registration fees

The firearm safety and training requirement

The use of intermediate scrutiny in determining the constitutionality of firearms regulation.

The actual ruling:
Court opinion on D.C. gun laws

Consequently, the bulk of the District's provisions with regard to firearms regulation passed Constitutional muster, consistent with other Federal courts of appeal.

We may not like or agree with the above, we might hold that the above is not consistent with Heller and the doctrine of an individual right to possess a firearm for lawful self-defense; indeed, I consider gun registration, licensing and fees, and training requirements to be an undue burden on the Second Amendment right – which would likely be the case if strict scrutiny were applied, but that is currently not the case. I am entitled to this opinion, provided I concede that as a fact of law my opinion is subjective, irrelevant, and wrong.

It is therefore incumbent upon all gun owners and advocates of the rights enshrined in the Second Amendment to acknowledge and respect current Second Amendment jurisprudence – however much we may disagree – and continue to pursue the issue in the courts.

What is unwarranted idiocy, however, is to make the issue partisan, with ridiculous references to 'liberals' and how 'the left' is opposed to gun rights, as that is again clearly a lie, and renders foolish the propagators of such lies, such as the OP.

In this case, where the dissenting judge, who would have upheld the District's gun regulation in its entirety, was appointed to the bench by George H.W. Bush – so much for 'liberals' seeking to 'violate' the Constitution.

He actually never said that the bans on certain firearms were not upheld so you were wrong in assuming that is what he said. I believe the case is stating that their are unnecessary procedures in obtaining firearms that violate a person's rights.
 
"When liberals do something unconstitutional and get caught by the courts, they simply keep doing it anyway. Until court decision after court decision takes away their freedom to violate the Constitution and pounds them into the ground until they finally start obeying it instead.
The just received another such pounding, the latest in a long series. Undoubtedly with more yet to come."
Wrong. This is another ridiculous lie from the right, as the issue has nothing to do with 'liberals.'
The sound you just heard was little ccj fleeing from the facts at high speed, his tail tucked firmly between his hind legs, as the other board liberal fanatics bravely refuse to discuss the topic at all.
 
He actually never said that the bans on certain firearms were not upheld so you were wrong in assuming that is what he said. I believe the case is stating that their are unnecessary procedures in obtaining firearms that violate a person's rights.
And that DC's contention that those procedures protect police officers, is not based in any fact or evidence DC was able to bring up..IOW, they were just citing their usual tired talking points and making the usual excuses, which didn't fly in open court.
 
What everyone needs to do is talk to their congresscritters, they have the legal authority to nullify any BS law the DC council comes up with, and no the president doesn't have to sign off on anything they chose to do.
 
He actually never said that the bans on certain firearms were not upheld so you were wrong in assuming that is what he said. I believe the case is stating that their are unnecessary procedures in obtaining firearms that violate a person's rights.
And that DC's contention that those procedures protect police officers, is not based in any fact or evidence DC was able to bring up..IOW, they were just citing their usual tired talking points and making the usual excuses, which didn't fly in open court.
The Court held that some registration requirements were constitutional and some were not.

For example, DC proved to the Court's satisfaction the fingerprinting and photographing requirement protected public safety.

For the foregoing reasons, we believe the District has adduced substantial evidence from which it reasonably could conclude that fingerprinting and photographing registrants will directly and materially advance public safety by preventing at least some ineligible individuals from obtaining weapons and, more important, by facilitating identification of the owner of a registered firearm during any subsequent encounter with the police. Those requirements are therefore not unconstitutional.
 
Fingerprinting - upheld

Photographing - upheld

Bringing the firearm - not upheld

Re-registration - not upheld

Fees - upheld

Knowledge test - not upheld

One pistol per month - not upheld
 
I think people should be registered, not guns.

If your name is on the Approved list, then you can buy as many guns as you like, whenever you like.

If you are batshit crazy, or a bad guy, your name doesn't get on the Approved list.
 
When liberals do something unconstitutional and get caught by the courts, they simply keep doing it anyway. Until court decision after court decision takes away their freedom to violate the Constitution and pounds them into the ground until they finally start obeying it instead.

The just received another such pounding, the latest in a long series. Undoubtedly with more yet to come.

--------------------------------------------------------

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150918/third-times-the-charm-federal-appeals-court-voids-provisions-of-dc-gun-control-in-heller-iii

Third Time's the Charm: Federal Appeals Court Voids Provisions of D.C. Gun Control in Heller III

Dick Anthony Heller, the lead plaintiff in the historic 2008 Supreme Court case that invalidated D.C.’s handgun ban, has once again successfully challenged D.C.’s oppressive gun control regime. Today, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit issued a ruling in the NRA-supported case of Heller v. District of Columbia (Heller III), bringing further relief to the beleaguered law-abiding gun owners of the nation’s capital. While the court did not totally invalidate D.C.’s onerous registration regime, today’s ruling is an important step in bringing gun ownership within reach to more of D.C.’s upstanding residents.

Following the Supreme Court’s rebuke in the original Heller case, an unrepentant D.C. Council immediately set out to make the lawful keeping and bearing of arms in the District as expensive, time-consuming, and difficult as possible. Intrepid reporter Emily Miller chronicled her own experience negotiating D.C.’s firearm registration process between 2011 and 2012 in a series of reports for the Washington Times that later formed the basis for a book. At the time, registration involved a 17-step process, $465 in fees (not including the price of the gun), five hours of mandatory training that had to be completed outside the District, and multiple trips to D.C. Metropolitan Police Department (MPD) headquarters during business hours.

Thanks to a combination of political advocacy, media exposé, and litigation, the hurdles and expense of D.C.’s firearm registration process have been whittled down over the years. Nevertheless, the District has consistently remained one of the most difficult places in the U.S. to acquire a firearm lawfully. The plaintiffs in Heller III challenged numerous aspects of the remaining law, including its application to long guns; the requirement for applicants to appear at police headquarters to be fingerprinted, photographed, and to submit their registration paperwork; the requirement that registrants bring their firearms into police headquarters; the expiration of the registration after three years; various fees; the mandatory training requirements; the requirement of passing a test on D.C. law; and a prohibition on the same person registering more than one handgun during any 30-day period.

District officials attempted to justify these requirements on the basis of “protecting police officers” and “promoting public safety.” Significantly, the court of appeals found that “the District has not offered substantial evidence from which one could draw a reasonable conclusion that the challenged requirements will protect police officers ….”

Citing the testimony the of one of the District’s own witnesses, the court noted that police are trained to account for the possible presence of dangerous weapons in any situation where they might encounter a crime in progress, a domestic dispute, or any other potentially violent environment. This is so, the expert acknowledged, even when responding to calls at locations without registered weapons. In any event, the evidence in the case revealed that MPD officers very rarely even bother to check the firearm registry when responding to a call, conducting an investigation, or executing a search warrant.

The court also determined that several of the challenged registration requirements did not promote public safety, including the requirement that applicants bring the firearms they wish to register to MPD headquarters; the three-year expiration and re-registration requirement; the required test of legal knowledge; and the limitation of registering one handgun per person during any 30 day period.

Accordingly, it held that all of these requirements offended the Second Amendment and are unenforceable.
The court rejected the premise that limiting the number of firearms lawfully present in a home is a valid argument for gun control, even if it could reduce the harm that could be caused by firearms generally. “Accepting that as true,” the court wrote, “it does not justify restricting an individual’s undoubted constitutional right to keep arms (plural) in his or her home, whether for self-defense or hunting or just collecting, because, taken to its logical conclusion, that reasoning would justify a total ban on firearms kept in the home.” This may be one of the most significant aspects of the decision, as discouraging lawful gun ownership has been the cornerstone of D.C.’s approach to gun control.

While these developments will bring substantial benefits to those who wish to lawfully own guns in D.C., the court still upheld the balance of the registration procedure. If history is any guide, moreover, the District may seek further review of the court’s decision, or it may simply enact other impediments to firearm ownership, which will require further court testing at taxpayer expense. Thus, while pro-gun advocates should cheer the court’s ruling, it also merely underscores the ongoing necessity of the D.C. Second Amendment Enforcement Act, which would comprehensively reform D.C.’s gun control laws and prohibit future abuses by the D.C. Council.
 
I think people should be registered, not guns.
If your name is on the Approved list, then you can buy as many guns as you like, whenever you like.
It's sad how many people think they can trust government to have a say in who can and can't keep and bear arms. Despite the flat ban on govt having ANYTHING to do with such decisions, codified in the 2nd amendment.
 
I think people should be registered, not guns.

If your name is on the Approved list, then you can buy as many guns as you like, whenever you like.

If you are batshit crazy, or a bad guy, your name doesn't get on the Approved list.
Can we apply that to voting too?

None of that shit makes anyone any safer. Just saying.
 
This right here is why many of us in places like MA, CA, NY, NYC, CT, etc..... si.pky choose to ignore the laws rather than trying to fight them.
 
So the system of unelected tyrannical judges that conservatives want to abolish ...

...they're gittin' er done?

lol you people are so amusing.
 

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