They're Palestinians, not 'Israeli Arabs'

[Phoenall]

Israel always called the Palestinians "Israeli Arabs" in their attempt to erase Palestinians from history.
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But what's at stake here is not merely rhetoric but a form of historical distortion that makes it all but impossible for readers to fully grasp the nature of the conflict.

Palestinian artists and intellectuals as well as the most important institutions of Palestinian civil society inside Israel, including the human rights organization Adalah and the Mada al-Carmel research center, use the term "Palestinians" to identify and affiliate themselves and to assert their indissoluble connection to the rest of the Palestinian people.

They apos re Palestinians not apos Israeli Arabs apos - LA Times​

How does calling them Arabs relate to trying to erase Palestinian history ?

If they are citizens of Israel, then calling them Israeli Palestinians would sound odd, as both are nationalities. Israeli Arab, Israeli, Jew, Israeli Christian. Doesn't really matter, they are Israeli

They were Palestinian citizens when they became Israelis. Actually "Israeli" is not a national identity.

In fact, to use the ethnic term "Arab" to describe the Palestinians inside Israel is to strip them of any national identity — not only the national identity that they themselves assert, but quite literally any national identity whatsoever, given that, according to a 2013 ruling of the Israeli Supreme Court, "Israeli" is not a national identity.​

Would an American from Haiti be an "African American?"

What were native Americans called before it was America?

Just as Palestinians existed as a people before the dismemberment of their homeland, they continue to exist as a people afterward. To refer to some Palestinians as Palestinian and others merely as deracinated "Arabs" is to doubt or negate their claim to a national existence as a people both historically and in the present.​

GOBBLEDEGOOK

 

[Phoenall]

Israel always called the Palestinians "Israeli Arabs" in their attempt to erase Palestinians from history.
--------------

But what's at stake here is not merely rhetoric but a form of historical distortion that makes it all but impossible for readers to fully grasp the nature of the conflict.

Palestinian artists and intellectuals as well as the most important institutions of Palestinian civil society inside Israel, including the human rights organization Adalah and the Mada al-Carmel research center, use the term "Palestinians" to identify and affiliate themselves and to assert their indissoluble connection to the rest of the Palestinian people.

They apos re Palestinians not apos Israeli Arabs apos - LA Times​

If they are Palestinians then they have no right to be Israeli citizens and should move out willingly or be deported. They cant follow two masters and need to decide very quickly which one they will be subservient to. Otherwise they are what you and the rest of team Palestine despise they are DUALLIES, which when it comes to Jews is a bad thing and they should be forced to go and live in Israel

They are living in their homeland.

Then they are Israeli's or Israeli arab muslims, as opposed to Israeli Christians, Israeli Jews and Israeli atheists. But they are all Israeli citizens and not Palestinians. If they want to be Palestinians then let them migrate to Palestine.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel always called the Palestinians "Israeli Arabs" in their attempt to erase Palestinians from history.
--------------

But what's at stake here is not merely rhetoric but a form of historical distortion that makes it all but impossible for readers to fully grasp the nature of the conflict.

Palestinian artists and intellectuals as well as the most important institutions of Palestinian civil society inside Israel, including the human rights organization Adalah and the Mada al-Carmel research center, use the term "Palestinians" to identify and affiliate themselves and to assert their indissoluble connection to the rest of the Palestinian people.

They apos re Palestinians not apos Israeli Arabs apos - LA Times​

If they are Palestinians then they have no right to be Israeli citizens and should move out willingly or be deported. They cant follow two masters and need to decide very quickly which one they will be subservient to. Otherwise they are what you and the rest of team Palestine despise they are DUALLIES, which when it comes to Jews is a bad thing and they should be forced to go and live in Israel

They are living in their homeland.

Then they are Israeli's or Israeli arab muslims, as opposed to Israeli Christians, Israeli Jews and Israeli atheists. But they are all Israeli citizens and not Palestinians. If they want to be Palestinians then let them migrate to Palestine.

They are already living in their homeland.

 

[Phoenall]

Israel always called the Palestinians "Israeli Arabs" in their attempt to erase Palestinians from history.
--------------

But what's at stake here is not merely rhetoric but a form of historical distortion that makes it all but impossible for readers to fully grasp the nature of the conflict.

Palestinian artists and intellectuals as well as the most important institutions of Palestinian civil society inside Israel, including the human rights organization Adalah and the Mada al-Carmel research center, use the term "Palestinians" to identify and affiliate themselves and to assert their indissoluble connection to the rest of the Palestinian people.

They apos re Palestinians not apos Israeli Arabs apos - LA Times​

If they are Palestinians then they have no right to be Israeli citizens and should move out willingly or be deported. They cant follow two masters and need to decide very quickly which one they will be subservient to. Otherwise they are what you and the rest of team Palestine despise they are DUALLIES, which when it comes to Jews is a bad thing and they should be forced to go and live in Israel

They are living in their homeland.

Then they are Israeli's or Israeli arab muslims, as opposed to Israeli Christians, Israeli Jews and Israeli atheists. But they are all Israeli citizens and not Palestinians. If they want to be Palestinians then let them migrate to Palestine.

They are already living in their homeland.

Then they cant be Palestinians as their homelands are in Syria and Egypt

 

[montelatici]

How can that be? They were living in Palestine when the Europeans invaded.

 

[toastman]

How can that be? They were living in Palestine when the Europeans invaded.

Again with the invasion lie

It's so pathetic that you need to resort to repeating the same lies over and over

 

[SAYIT]

Israel always called the Palestinians "Israeli Arabs" in their attempt to erase Palestinians from history.
--------------

But what's at stake here is not merely rhetoric but a form of historical distortion that makes it all but impossible for readers to fully grasp the nature of the conflict.

Palestinian artists and intellectuals as well as the most important institutions of Palestinian civil society inside Israel, including the human rights organization Adalah and the Mada al-Carmel research center, use the term "Palestinians" to identify and affiliate themselves and to assert their indissoluble connection to the rest of the Palestinian people.

They apos re Palestinians not apos Israeli Arabs apos - LA Times​

Childish word game. Today's Palestinians were not referred to as such in 1948 when those Arabs who chose to stay and become citizens of the freshly recreated State of Israel became Israel's Arabs or, Israeli Arabs. Those who left have, since the 1960s, been called "Palestinians."

 

[SAYIT]

How can that be? They were living in Palestine when the Europeans invaded.

No they weren't. They weren't even alive when the Brits took the region from the Turks in WW1. You just make that shit up.

 

[Phoenall]

How can that be? They were living in Palestine when the Europeans invaded.

That would make them over 1,000 years old.............

 

[Daniyel]

Israel always called Israelis - "Israelis" and it's time to embrace them, the Palestinians are Palestinians and because of that they are not Israelis, you see..you can't dance in two weddings the same time!

 

[montelatici]

Israel always called the Palestinians "Israeli Arabs" in their attempt to erase Palestinians from history.
--------------

But what's at stake here is not merely rhetoric but a form of historical distortion that makes it all but impossible for readers to fully grasp the nature of the conflict.

Palestinian artists and intellectuals as well as the most important institutions of Palestinian civil society inside Israel, including the human rights organization Adalah and the Mada al-Carmel research center, use the term "Palestinians" to identify and affiliate themselves and to assert their indissoluble connection to the rest of the Palestinian people.

They apos re Palestinians not apos Israeli Arabs apos - LA Times​

If they are Palestinians then they have no right to be Israeli citizens and should move out willingly or be deported. They cant follow two masters and need to decide very quickly which one they will be subservient to. Otherwise they are what you and the rest of team Palestine despise they are DUALLIES, which when it comes to Jews is a bad thing and they should be forced to go and live in Israel

They are living in their homeland.

Then they are Israeli's or Israeli arab muslims, as opposed to Israeli Christians, Israeli Jews and Israeli atheists. But they are all Israeli citizens and not Palestinians. If they want to be Palestinians then let them migrate to Palestine.

They are already living in their homeland.

Then they cant be Palestinians as their homelands are in Syria and Egypt

Where do you get that crazy idea. The Zionist Jews came from Europe, the Christian and Muslim Palestinians (as well as a handful of Arab Jews) are the native people of Palestine.

 

[SAYIT]

Where do you get that crazy idea. The Zionist Jews came from Europe, the Christian and Muslim Palestinians (as well as a handful of Arab Jews) are the native people of Palestine.

"Zionist Jews" came to Israel from everywhere, including other Arab countries. That was the whole idea behind reestablishing the Jewish Homeland ... a refuge for Jews who were "living" under often dangerous and oppressive conditions.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Israel always called the Palestinians "Israeli Arabs" in their attempt to erase Palestinians from history.
--------------

But what's at stake here is not merely rhetoric but a form of historical distortion that makes it all but impossible for readers to fully grasp the nature of the conflict.

Palestinian artists and intellectuals as well as the most important institutions of Palestinian civil society inside Israel, including the human rights organization Adalah and the Mada al-Carmel research center, use the term "Palestinians" to identify and affiliate themselves and to assert their indissoluble connection to the rest of the Palestinian people.

They apos re Palestinians not apos Israeli Arabs apos - LA Times​

If that feeble-looking old man in your avatar is you, then you are certainly old enough to remember the time before the Palestinian identity was invented. I sure am, so this deceitful posting of yours is just one more lying bit of propaganda.


They are Arabs. When Arab armies attacked Israel in 1948, they simply called themselves Arabs. It was only after the Egyptian nephew of a certified Nazi started imploring them to call themselves "Palestinian" in the 1960s did the term "Palestinian" become popularized.

What Orwellian times we live in when abject idiots ignore the very real history they should have experienced if they had any awareness whatsoever, and try to foist an alternate history instead.

Ignorance is strength, you know, ignorance is strength.

 

[Phoenall]

If they are Palestinians then they have no right to be Israeli citizens and should move out willingly or be deported. They cant follow two masters and need to decide very quickly which one they will be subservient to. Otherwise they are what you and the rest of team Palestine despise they are DUALLIES, which when it comes to Jews is a bad thing and they should be forced to go and live in Israel

They are living in their homeland.

Then they are Israeli's or Israeli arab muslims, as opposed to Israeli Christians, Israeli Jews and Israeli atheists. But they are all Israeli citizens and not Palestinians. If they want to be Palestinians then let them migrate to Palestine.

They are already living in their homeland.

Then they cant be Palestinians as their homelands are in Syria and Egypt

Where do you get that crazy idea. The Zionist Jews came from Europe, the Christian and Muslim Palestinians (as well as a handful of Arab Jews) are the native people of Palestine.

From arab muslim leaders that have said in recent times that many of the people in gaza are from Egypt, their family name means from Egypt. The Jews were invited, remember that, the arab muslims were not. The lands legal owners under International law at that time gave the land to the Jews and made every Jew in the world a citizen, they did not do that for arab muslims. So the Jews were fully fledged citizens while the arab muslims were illegal immigrants as long as they resorted to terrorism, violence and belligerence. In 1949 the arab muslims forcibly evicted 1 million Jews from their homes and property with just the clothes on their backs. Those were Jews that could trace their occupation on the land back 4,500 years, so where do you get your "handful of arab Jews" when they were never arabs in the first place. Don't forget that the Roman empire collapsed in the 4C and the Christians were very thin on the ground at that time. The arab muslims did not get invented until the 7C and invaded every land they could after first invading mecca, medina and then mecca again. Read your Koran and hadiths it is all in there.

 

[montelatici]

Where do you get that crazy idea. The Zionist Jews came from Europe, the Christian and Muslim Palestinians (as well as a handful of Arab Jews) are the native people of Palestine.

"Zionist Jews" came to Israel from everywhere, including other Arab countries. That was the whole idea behind reestablishing the Jewish Homeland ... a refuge for Jews who were "living" under often dangerous and oppressive conditions.

Zionist Jews that were in Palestine in 1948 were almost all, if not all, from Europe.

 

[teddyearp]

Here, poor Tinmore is doing nothing but trying to spin more propaganda.

You said interesting twist in a remark a bit ago, Tinmore. Let me untwist your truth for you.

The Arabs who stayed and decided to become part of the new state of Israel are Arab Israelis.

Those Arabs who refuse to recognize the state of Israel decided to invent their term for themselves, Palestinians and for the most part do not live outside of Gaza and the West Bank.

There. Straightened it right out for you. And just to verify, I will ask a few when I am over in Israel.

 

[Phoenall]

If they are Palestinians then they have no right to be Israeli citizens and should move out willingly or be deported. They cant follow two masters and need to decide very quickly which one they will be subservient to. Otherwise they are what you and the rest of team Palestine despise they are DUALLIES, which when it comes to Jews is a bad thing and they should be forced to go and live in Israel

They are living in their homeland.

Then they are Israeli's or Israeli arab muslims, as opposed to Israeli Christians, Israeli Jews and Israeli atheists. But they are all Israeli citizens and not Palestinians. If they want to be Palestinians then let them migrate to Palestine.

They are already living in their homeland.

Then they cant be Palestinians as their homelands are in Syria and Egypt

Where do you get that crazy idea. The Zionist Jews came from Europe, the Christian and Muslim Palestinians (as well as a handful of Arab Jews) are the native people of Palestine.

Not according to historical records


CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Jerusalem (After 1291)
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA Jerusalem After 1291

"...Present condition of the City: (1907 edition)

Jerusalem (El Quds) is the capital of a sanjak and the seat of a mutasarrif directly dependent on the Sublime Porte. In the administration of the sanjak the mutasarrif is assisted by a council called majlis ida ra; the city has a municipal government (majlis baladiye) presided over by a mayor. The total population is estimated at 66,000. The Turkish census of 1905, which counts only Ottoman subjects, gives these figures:
Jews, 45,000; Moslems, 8,000; Orthodox Christians, 6000; Latins, 2500; Armenians, 950; Protestants, 800; Melkites, 250; Copts, 150; Abyssinians, 100; Jacobites, 100; Catholic Syrians, 50. During the Nineteenth century large suburbs to the north and east have grown up, chiefly for the use of the Jewish colony. These suburbs contain nearly Half the present population...""

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Growth of Jerusalem 1838-Present

....... Jews Muslims Christians Total
1838 6,000 5,000 3,000 14,000
1844 7,120 5,760 3,390 16,270 ..... ..The First Official Ottoman Census
1876 12,000 7,560 5,470 25,030 .... .....Second """"""""""
1905 40,000 8,000 10,900 58,900 ....... Third/last, detailed in CathEncyc above
1948 99,320 36,680 31,300 167,300
1990 353,200 124,200 14,000 491,400
1992 385,000 150,000 15,000 550,000

http://www.testimony-magazine.org/jerusalem/bring.htm




Shows that in Jerusalem alone you are LYING as in 1948 there were 99,320 Jewish citizens of Palestine. lot more than your alleged handful.

 

[montelatici]

They are living in their homeland.

Then they are Israeli's or Israeli arab muslims, as opposed to Israeli Christians, Israeli Jews and Israeli atheists. But they are all Israeli citizens and not Palestinians. If they want to be Palestinians then let them migrate to Palestine.

They are already living in their homeland.

Then they cant be Palestinians as their homelands are in Syria and Egypt

Where do you get that crazy idea. The Zionist Jews came from Europe, the Christian and Muslim Palestinians (as well as a handful of Arab Jews) are the native people of Palestine.

From arab muslim leaders that have said in recent times that many of the people in gaza are from Egypt, their family name means from Egypt. The Jews were invited, remember that, the arab muslims were not. The lands legal owners under International law at that time gave the land to the Jews and made every Jew in the world a citizen, they did not do that for arab muslims. So the Jews were fully fledged citizens while the arab muslims were illegal immigrants as long as they resorted to terrorism, violence and belligerence. In 1949 the arab muslims forcibly evicted 1 million Jews from their homes and property with just the clothes on their backs. Those were Jews that could trace their occupation on the land back 4,500 years, so where do you get your "handful of arab Jews" when they were never arabs in the first place. Don't forget that the Roman empire collapsed in the 4C and the Christians were very thin on the ground at that time. The arab muslims did not get invented until the 7C and invaded every land they could after first invading mecca, medina and then mecca again. Read your Koran and hadiths it is all in there.

You are such an idiot. In the 4th Century Christianity was the State religion. It became the state religion in 312 AD. What do you mean Christians were "thin on the ground". Most people were Christians in the Western and Eastern Roman Empire in the 4th Century.

 

[montelatici]

They are living in their homeland.

Then they are Israeli's or Israeli arab muslims, as opposed to Israeli Christians, Israeli Jews and Israeli atheists. But they are all Israeli citizens and not Palestinians. If they want to be Palestinians then let them migrate to Palestine.

They are already living in their homeland.

Then they cant be Palestinians as their homelands are in Syria and Egypt

Where do you get that crazy idea. The Zionist Jews came from Europe, the Christian and Muslim Palestinians (as well as a handful of Arab Jews) are the native people of Palestine.

Not according to historical records


CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Jerusalem (After 1291)
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA Jerusalem After 1291

"...Present condition of the City: (1907 edition)

Jerusalem (El Quds) is the capital of a sanjak and the seat of a mutasarrif directly dependent on the Sublime Porte. In the administration of the sanjak the mutasarrif is assisted by a council called majlis ida ra; the city has a municipal government (majlis baladiye) presided over by a mayor. The total population is estimated at 66,000. The Turkish census of 1905, which counts only Ottoman subjects, gives these figures:
Jews, 45,000; Moslems, 8,000; Orthodox Christians, 6000; Latins, 2500; Armenians, 950; Protestants, 800; Melkites, 250; Copts, 150; Abyssinians, 100; Jacobites, 100; Catholic Syrians, 50. During the Nineteenth century large suburbs to the north and east have grown up, chiefly for the use of the Jewish colony. These suburbs contain nearly Half the present population...""

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Growth of Jerusalem 1838-Present

....... Jews Muslims Christians Total
1838 6,000 5,000 3,000 14,000
1844 7,120 5,760 3,390 16,270 ..... ..The First Official Ottoman Census
1876 12,000 7,560 5,470 25,030 .... .....Second """"""""""
1905 40,000 8,000 10,900 58,900 ....... Third/last, detailed in CathEncyc above
1948 99,320 36,680 31,300 167,300
1990 353,200 124,200 14,000 491,400
1992 385,000 150,000 15,000 550,000

http://www.testimony-magazine.org/jerusalem/bring.htm




Shows that in Jerusalem alone you are LYING as in 1948 there were 99,320 Jewish citizens of Palestine. lot more than your alleged handful.

The European invasion started in the mid 1800s and most of the European invaders settled in Jerusalem, so in 1905 there were a lot of European colonists (from your own post) in Jerusalem. What is your point?

 

[Phoenall]

Then they are Israeli's or Israeli arab muslims, as opposed to Israeli Christians, Israeli Jews and Israeli atheists. But they are all Israeli citizens and not Palestinians. If they want to be Palestinians then let them migrate to Palestine.

They are already living in their homeland.

Then they cant be Palestinians as their homelands are in Syria and Egypt

Where do you get that crazy idea. The Zionist Jews came from Europe, the Christian and Muslim Palestinians (as well as a handful of Arab Jews) are the native people of Palestine.

From arab muslim leaders that have said in recent times that many of the people in gaza are from Egypt, their family name means from Egypt. The Jews were invited, remember that, the arab muslims were not. The lands legal owners under International law at that time gave the land to the Jews and made every Jew in the world a citizen, they did not do that for arab muslims. So the Jews were fully fledged citizens while the arab muslims were illegal immigrants as long as they resorted to terrorism, violence and belligerence. In 1949 the arab muslims forcibly evicted 1 million Jews from their homes and property with just the clothes on their backs. Those were Jews that could trace their occupation on the land back 4,500 years, so where do you get your "handful of arab Jews" when they were never arabs in the first place. Don't forget that the Roman empire collapsed in the 4C and the Christians were very thin on the ground at that time. The arab muslims did not get invented until the 7C and invaded every land they could after first invading mecca, medina and then mecca again. Read your Koran and hadiths it is all in there.

You are such an idiot. In the 4th Century Christianity was the State religion. It became the state religion in 312 AD. What do you mean Christians were "thin on the ground". Most people were Christians in the Western and Eastern Roman Empire in the 4th Century.

Link from a non partisan source ?