There are between 412-600 million guns in the U.S....and our gun murder rate went down, not up...

[Skull Pilot]

The murder rate has dropped since we have instituted tougher gun laws

which gun laws would those be?

I've owned guns for 30 years and haven't really seen any new tough gun laws other than banning certain types of semiautomatic rifles

 

[Skull Pilot]

you do know that 16 and 17 year old gang bangers are counted in that 1300 don't you?

More than twice that many children drown every year maybe you should ban pools lakes and bathtubs

 

[Skull Pilot]

The fact that there is gang violence in Chicago doesn't nullify a discussion. Stop it.

it contradicts the statement that tough gun laws equals less crime

so it is relevant

 

[Luddly Neddite]

see ALL the guns being carried to protect the current and former Presidents of the USA . Look at the new law proposed to allow 'congressmen' to carry guns. Look at all the cops that carry guns . Anyway , its a RIGHT for Americans to have guns to protect themselves and for other purposes Luddley .

Which also has nothing to do with the conversation. Not staying but I'll say it again -

I own guns, have always owned guns, will always own guns. They do not own me and I'm not afraid to leave my home without a gun.

The nutters blame President Obama for their own parroting of the lies from the lobbyist NRA. The same nutters lie, saying that President Obama was coming for their guns when he actually loosened gun laws. The only ones whining about "gun grabbing" are the nutters themselves. The only reason for repeating that lie is to get the gullible dupes to buy more guns.

The drama queen OP is here every day, spamming and yammering. A couple of days ago he actually posted he had seen two teenagers steal two packs of beer and he didn't shoot them.

WTF is wrong with people that they actually believe two cartons of beer are worth more than a human life? Especially since they're the first ones to say they're "pro-life".

The shooting of Trayvon Martin was for no reason and you know it. He was stalked and chased and gunned down by an unemployed gun nutter who wouldn't work before he murdered Trayvon and has effectively ended his own life. Even if gz were not a lazy bum, he will never live a normal life of a job and family and, though you would blame others, he made the choices that put him where he is now.

My posts are almost always geared to making the world a safer place for children. Gun nutters don't don't care. If they did, they would demand the necessary safety measures be required for all. Instead, they want to arm kids,s younger and younger.

Finally, if you have never ended a human life, you have no idea how horrible it really is. I know from experience that being "right" is of no comfort.

 

[Skull Pilot]

see ALL the guns being carried to protect the current and former Presidents of the USA . Look at the new law proposed to allow 'congressmen' to carry guns. Look at all the cops that carry guns . Anyway , its a RIGHT for Americans to have guns to protect themselves and for other purposes Luddley .

Which also has nothing to do with the conversation. Not staying but I'll say it again -

I own guns, have always owned guns, will always own guns. They do not own me and I'm not afraid to leave my home without a gun.

The nutters blame President Obama for their own parroting of the lies from the lobbyist NRA. The same nutters lie, saying that President Obama was coming for their guns when he actually loosened gun laws. The only ones whining about "gun grabbing" are the nutters themselves. The only reason for repeating that lie is to get the gullible dupes to buy more guns.

The drama queen OP is here every day, spamming and yammering. A couple of days ago he actually posted he had seen two teenagers steal two packs of beer and he didn't shoot them.

WTF is wrong with people that they actually believe two cartons of beer are worth more than a human life? Especially since they're the first ones to say they're "pro-life".

The shooting of Trayvon Martin was for no reason and you know it. He was stalked and chased and gunned down by an unemployed gun nutter who wouldn't work before he murdered Trayvon and has effectively ended his own life. Even if gz were not a lazy bum, he will never live a normal life of a job and family and, though you would blame others, he made the choices that put him where he is now.

My posts are almost always geared to making the world a safer place for children. Gun nutters don't don't care. If they did, they would demand the necessary safety measures be required for all. Instead, they want to arm kids,s younger and younger.

Finally, if you have never ended a human life, you have no idea how horrible it really is. I know from experience that being "right" is of no comfort.

who wants to arm kids?

No one I know.

And tell me how is saying I can't own an average ordinary everyday semiautomatic rifle because it's black and has some cosmetic doodads on it that make it look scary going to save the lives of any kids in this country?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

you do know that 16 and 17 year old gang bangers are counted in that 1300 don't you?

More than twice that many children drown every year maybe you should ban pools lakes and bathtubs

There it is.

That disgusting opinion that its okay to shoot some children, that pools/bath tubs have some connection to shootings and then the lie that I want guns banned.

Why didn't you make some stupid remark about abortion too?

see ALL the guns being carried to protect the current and former Presidents of the USA . Look at the new law proposed to allow 'congressmen' to carry guns. Look at all the cops that carry guns . Anyway , its a RIGHT for Americans to have guns to protect themselves and for other purposes Luddley .

Which also has nothing to do with the conversation. Not staying but I'll say it again -

I own guns, have always owned guns, will always own guns. They do not own me and I'm not afraid to leave my home without a gun.

The nutters blame President Obama for their own parroting of the lies from the lobbyist NRA. The same nutters lie, saying that President Obama was coming for their guns when he actually loosened gun laws. The only ones whining about "gun grabbing" are the nutters themselves. The only reason for repeating that lie is to get the gullible dupes to buy more guns.

The drama queen OP is here every day, spamming and yammering. A couple of days ago he actually posted he had seen two teenagers steal two packs of beer and he didn't shoot them.

WTF is wrong with people that they actually believe two cartons of beer are worth more than a human life? Especially since they're the first ones to say they're "pro-life".

The shooting of Trayvon Martin was for no reason and you know it. He was stalked and chased and gunned down by an unemployed gun nutter who wouldn't work before he murdered Trayvon and has effectively ended his own life. Even if gz were not a lazy bum, he will never live a normal life of a job and family and, though you would blame others, he made the choices that put him where he is now.

My posts are almost always geared to making the world a safer place for children. Gun nutters don't don't care. If they did, they would demand the necessary safety measures be required for all. Instead, they want to arm kids,s younger and younger.

Finally, if you have never ended a human life, you have no idea how horrible it really is. I know from experience that being "right" is of no comfort.

who wants to arm kids?

No one I know.

And tell me how is saying I can't own an average ordinary everyday semiautomatic rifle because it's black and has some cosmetic doodads on it that make it look scary going to save the lives of any kids in this country?

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[rightwinger]

 

[2aguy]

No...that is an innacurate statement......the majority of those "children" are actual career criminals involved in violent gang and drug activity....the actual children....are few and far between...but thanks for lying....

 

[2aguy]

The murder rate has dropped since we have instituted tougher gun laws

Nope.......we now have close to 600 million guns and over 15.7 million people carrying guns.........over and above anything from the 1990s......and as those increases happened, then the crime rate went down...as more Americans started carrying and owning guns...

Your entire premise that more guns = more crime is a lie.......

As more people carried guns...

Our gun murder rate went down 49%.

our gun crime rate went down 75%.

Our violent crime rate went down 72%.

None of the laws you created stopped mass shooters or criminals from using guns......but the crime rate went down as more law abiding people could defend themselves.

 

[2aguy]

No...the criminals that you keep putting back on the streets do that......you guys love you some violent criminals since you keep letting them back out...one might think you want them out, and killing people ....to push your anti-gun agenda.....just like obama and eric holder sold guns to drug cartels....

 

[2aguy]

I'll never understand why gun nuts don't care about children being shot. Bring up safety for children and start in about cars and swimming pools or, even worse is what 2aguy says about how many children are killed.

He seems to say that its not enough kids to warrant action. My question is, how children is too many?

Oh yeah, and then the anti-abortion nutters who value fetuses but not children.

Whatever the reasoning, these jerks always believe the answer is more and more guns.

Well, shitstain......we are the ones who want gun safety education in public schools, taught alongside fire safety education...to lower the 48 children accidentally killed in 2015 to even lower going forward.......out of 74.2 million children....

You guys fight to keep gun safety education out of schools...which means you don't mind these accidental gun deaths....

We fight for longer prison sentences for violent gun offenders....and you guys fight to let these violent gun offenders back on the streets......even illegal gun sellers.....so obviously you don't care if they kill children.

Of the two sides...the only ones fighting to allow children to die are you....

 

[2aguy]

The murder rate has dropped since we have instituted tougher gun laws

Yeah that's working like a charm in Chicago.

If they ever do institute tough gun laws, we would see a change.

I have no clue why RWNJs think they already have. In truth, there may be a law on your side of the street but not on the other. Walk across the street, buy a gun, go back and blow someone away. How is that "tough gun laws"?

Okay dumb ass.....what are these tougher gun laws that you want...please...list them, then actually explain how they work to lower the gun crime rate...so far you can't..since every time you bring this up we show how they don't work.....but try again....you might fool some more people...

 

[2aguy]

you do know that 16 and 17 year old gang bangers are counted in that 1300 don't you?

More than twice that many children drown every year maybe you should ban pools lakes and bathtubs

There it is.

That disgusting opinion that its okay to shoot some children, that pools/bath tubs have some connection to shootings and then the lie that I want guns banned.

Why didn't you make some stupid remark about abortion too?

see ALL the guns being carried to protect the current and former Presidents of the USA . Look at the new law proposed to allow 'congressmen' to carry guns. Look at all the cops that carry guns . Anyway , its a RIGHT for Americans to have guns to protect themselves and for other purposes Luddley .

Which also has nothing to do with the conversation. Not staying but I'll say it again -

I own guns, have always owned guns, will always own guns. They do not own me and I'm not afraid to leave my home without a gun.

The nutters blame President Obama for their own parroting of the lies from the lobbyist NRA. The same nutters lie, saying that President Obama was coming for their guns when he actually loosened gun laws. The only ones whining about "gun grabbing" are the nutters themselves. The only reason for repeating that lie is to get the gullible dupes to buy more guns.

The drama queen OP is here every day, spamming and yammering. A couple of days ago he actually posted he had seen two teenagers steal two packs of beer and he didn't shoot them.

WTF is wrong with people that they actually believe two cartons of beer are worth more than a human life? Especially since they're the first ones to say they're "pro-life".

The shooting of Trayvon Martin was for no reason and you know it. He was stalked and chased and gunned down by an unemployed gun nutter who wouldn't work before he murdered Trayvon and has effectively ended his own life. Even if gz were not a lazy bum, he will never live a normal life of a job and family and, though you would blame others, he made the choices that put him where he is now.

My posts are almost always geared to making the world a safer place for children. Gun nutters don't don't care. If they did, they would demand the necessary safety measures be required for all. Instead, they want to arm kids,s younger and younger.

Finally, if you have never ended a human life, you have no idea how horrible it really is. I know from experience that being "right" is of no comfort.

who wants to arm kids?

No one I know.

And tell me how is saying I can't own an average ordinary everyday semiautomatic rifle because it's black and has some cosmetic doodads on it that make it look scary going to save the lives of any kids in this country?

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Funny how you only care about children who are killed with guns...though that is the lowest number of children killed......


Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

Death by car and gun by age, 1015...

<1.... Car 64, .....Gun 1

1-4.... Car 332, ...Gun 25

5-9.... Car 351, .....Gun 7

10-14.... Car 412, .....Gun 15

15-19.... Car 2,535, .....Gun 52

Total Car.... 3,694

Total Gun.... 100

Total car accidental death....

2015....36,161
2014....33,736
2013....33,804
2012....34,935

 

[2aguy]

you do know that 16 and 17 year old gang bangers are counted in that 1300 don't you?

More than twice that many children drown every year maybe you should ban pools lakes and bathtubs

There it is.

That disgusting opinion that its okay to shoot some children, that pools/bath tubs have some connection to shootings and then the lie that I want guns banned.

Why didn't you make some stupid remark about abortion too?

see ALL the guns being carried to protect the current and former Presidents of the USA . Look at the new law proposed to allow 'congressmen' to carry guns. Look at all the cops that carry guns . Anyway , its a RIGHT for Americans to have guns to protect themselves and for other purposes Luddley .

Which also has nothing to do with the conversation. Not staying but I'll say it again -

I own guns, have always owned guns, will always own guns. They do not own me and I'm not afraid to leave my home without a gun.

The nutters blame President Obama for their own parroting of the lies from the lobbyist NRA. The same nutters lie, saying that President Obama was coming for their guns when he actually loosened gun laws. The only ones whining about "gun grabbing" are the nutters themselves. The only reason for repeating that lie is to get the gullible dupes to buy more guns.

The drama queen OP is here every day, spamming and yammering. A couple of days ago he actually posted he had seen two teenagers steal two packs of beer and he didn't shoot them.

WTF is wrong with people that they actually believe two cartons of beer are worth more than a human life? Especially since they're the first ones to say they're "pro-life".

The shooting of Trayvon Martin was for no reason and you know it. He was stalked and chased and gunned down by an unemployed gun nutter who wouldn't work before he murdered Trayvon and has effectively ended his own life. Even if gz were not a lazy bum, he will never live a normal life of a job and family and, though you would blame others, he made the choices that put him where he is now.

My posts are almost always geared to making the world a safer place for children. Gun nutters don't don't care. If they did, they would demand the necessary safety measures be required for all. Instead, they want to arm kids,s younger and younger.

Finally, if you have never ended a human life, you have no idea how horrible it really is. I know from experience that being "right" is of no comfort.

who wants to arm kids?

No one I know.

And tell me how is saying I can't own an average ordinary everyday semiautomatic rifle because it's black and has some cosmetic doodads on it that make it look scary going to save the lives of any kids in this country?

Oh look.

More

And you only care about murder if that murder was committed with a gun....all the other children...a lot more children killed by other means...you don't care about....which simply shows that you have an irrational fear of guns......and the deaths of children don't bother you, not really, since you fight gun safety education for kids, which would save their lives...and you fight to put violent gun offenders back on the street....which would save the lives of children......

So you are truly full of shit....

 

[2aguy]

Yeah...except that meme is a lie.......

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 15.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[2aguy]

The fact that there is gang violence in Chicago doesn't nullify a discussion. Stop it.

The gangs are driving the killing, not guns. considering as more law abiding people own and carry guns.....our gun crime rates went down, not up....so Americans with guns are not increasing the violence in this country...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 15.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[2aguy]

The murder rate has dropped since we have instituted tougher gun laws

Yeah that's working like a charm in Chicago.

Works great in NYC

No....cracking down on the gangs a few months ago did that....you know...actually stopping violent criminals...and not the soccer mom who carries a pistol for self defense.

 

[2aguy]

--------------------------------------------------- is that you Mrs. Martin because you sound exactly like 'trayvon martins ' mother . She being the mother of a young thug that was shot to death after he , the young thug attacked George Zimmerman RWinger or Mrs. Martin .

Good example of the abuse of a personal firearm to murder children who were minding their own business

----------------------------------------------------------- george zimmerman went to trial , i think that your reasoning was rejected and George Zimmerman came out the winner didn't he RWinger !!

He was found not guilty....doesn't prove Travon Martin was guilty
Zimmerman has proven he is less than an ideal citizen while Travon had a perfect record

Dipshit....Martin had been kicked out of school for several violations...including burglary......

 

[2aguy]

you do know that 16 and 17 year old gang bangers are counted in that 1300 don't you?

More than twice that many children drown every year maybe you should ban pools lakes and bathtubs

As are 14 and 15 year old gang bangers, stone cold killers.....

 

[2aguy]

see ALL the guns being carried to protect the current and former Presidents of the USA . Look at the new law proposed to allow 'congressmen' to carry guns. Look at all the cops that carry guns . Anyway , its a RIGHT for Americans to have guns to protect themselves and for other purposes Luddley .

Which also has nothing to do with the conversation. Not staying but I'll say it again -

I own guns, have always owned guns, will always own guns. They do not own me and I'm not afraid to leave my home without a gun.

The nutters blame President Obama for their own parroting of the lies from the lobbyist NRA. The same nutters lie, saying that President Obama was coming for their guns when he actually loosened gun laws. The only ones whining about "gun grabbing" are the nutters themselves. The only reason for repeating that lie is to get the gullible dupes to buy more guns.

The drama queen OP is here every day, spamming and yammering. A couple of days ago he actually posted he had seen two teenagers steal two packs of beer and he didn't shoot them.

WTF is wrong with people that they actually believe two cartons of beer are worth more than a human life? Especially since they're the first ones to say they're "pro-life".

The shooting of Trayvon Martin was for no reason and you know it. He was stalked and chased and gunned down by an unemployed gun nutter who wouldn't work before he murdered Trayvon and has effectively ended his own life. Even if gz were not a lazy bum, he will never live a normal life of a job and family and, though you would blame others, he made the choices that put him where he is now.

My posts are almost always geared to making the world a safer place for children. Gun nutters don't don't care. If they did, they would demand the necessary safety measures be required for all. Instead, they want to arm kids,s younger and younger.

Finally, if you have never ended a human life, you have no idea how horrible it really is. I know from experience that being "right" is of no comfort.

Dumb shit.......obama appointed anti-gun Supreme Court Justices and it was his and clinton's appointees to the 4th Circuit Court of appeals that just ruled almost every gun unprotected by the 2nd Amendment......

No....Martin was free and clear of Zimmerman....he went out looking to ambush Zimmerman and did so....almost killing him by hitting his head against the sidewalk....

If you didn't lie, how would you post anything....