The worship of Satan: Has it led to genocide?

[daws101]

That was sooooo "intelligent"....

and that was right out of the Junior high handbook cir 1972. it was lame even then

When someone comes at you from elementary school, you should try to take them up a notch.

just proves my point

 

[daws101]

taking the kids to school and grabbing smokes at the local mini mart doesn't count.

My kids are long since grown, and only morons smoke.

Yer not real good at this, sparky.

no I'm great at this.

 

[daws101]

and that was right out of the Junior high handbook cir 1972. it was lame even then

Are you intelligent, Daws? Do you consider yourself an intellectual?

what's odd is you consider yourself one.

 

[HUGGY]

OK... if you want to go there, we can. Satan is wonderful at deception(or so it says in the bible). He is the father of lies and we as humans are a gullible lot. Who's to say that Satan didn't influence all those Genocides in God's name to give God a "black eye" in the PR department.

Heck, it worked pretty well for the GOP against the Dems in 2010.

And Jebus, Moses and Muhamed were not?

 

[daws101]

OK... if you want to go there, we can. Satan is wonderful at deception(or so it says in the bible). He is the father of lies and we as humans are a gullible lot. Who's to say that Satan didn't influence all those Genocides in God's name to give God a "black eye" in the PR department.

Heck, it worked pretty well for the GOP against the Dems in 2010.

And Jebus, Moses and Muhamed were not?

Well ....ahhh ...that's different!?

 

[Uncensored2008]

no I'm great at this.

 

[daws101]

no I'm great at this.

wow that's original!

 

[logical4u]

no I'm great at this.

 

[emilynghiem]

As an atheist, I find it interesting that most religions need a whipping boy of sorts to promote their ideas. The major three (christianity, islam and judaism) have the concept of "Satan" to attach the faults of mankind too. However, there are religions that actually worship that deity as well. Just wondering, if there have ever been any major Genocides attributed to this practice?

Dear Sallow: I would say ALL genocides were done in the spirit
of what "Satan and Antichrist" REPRESENT

Satan represents the spirit of division and selfishness based on FEAR and IGNORANCE
(instead of love and truth which are keeping with the spirit of God or Greater Good)

Antichrist stems from this, and is the abuse of collective authority and law to bully and oppress others. This is mostly associated with or represented by GOVERNMENT abuse,
but any personal "relationship abuse" can be in teh spirit of Antichrist, or trying to use
fear and retribution to control, judge or punish others (while the spirit of Christ is to enforce laws by self-submission and to restore relations for the sake of Peace and Justice)

Lastly, the "False Prophet" symbolizes any false teaching or hateful speech in teh spirit of unforgiveness to divide and conquer, to sever relations and keep people divided (instead of healing words of grace and comfort to restore relations in heavenly peace on earth)

So ALL abuse/corruption/coercion/bullying/oppression
involves FEAR based manipulations (which is what Satan's influence represents)

ALL words and actions in the spirit of hateful retribution, judgment and punishment of others to deny and project one's own blame onto others so as to abuse law and authority,
are what the spirit of ANTICHRIST represent

(instead of seeking RESTORATIVE JUSTICE in the spirit of forgiveness AND correction,
which is what the spirit of CHRIST JESUS represents)

NOTE: One can be following Buddhist law or Constitutional laws or other 'natural laws' in the spirit of Truth and Justice and be in keeping with the spirit of Christ as a "neighbor"

Just as one can be ABUSING either secular or religious laws, including the Bible and Christianity, in the spirit of ANTICHRIST and not be of Christ but be against the true spirit.

So you cannot judge just because someone is labeled "nontheist" or "theist" or "Christian" or "nonChristian." You can judge by their judgment if the person is interpreting, applying and living by laws (whether divine or natural, religious or secular) with Love of Truth and Restorative Justice with Mercy (which is in keeping with God and Christ) or with false fears, denial and projection, unforgiveness and hypocrisy/corruption, etc. that are the OPPOSITE of Truth and Justice (God/Jesus) and thus are in the spirit of Satan and Antichrist (fear and ignorance instead of love and truth; injustice instead of justice).

 

[daws101]

no I'm great at this.

are you pete or repeat?

 

[daws101]

As an atheist, I find it interesting that most religions need a whipping boy of sorts to promote their ideas. The major three (christianity, islam and judaism) have the concept of "Satan" to attach the faults of mankind too. However, there are religions that actually worship that deity as well. Just wondering, if there have ever been any major Genocides attributed to this practice?

Dear Sallow: I would say ALL genocides were done in the spirit
of what "Satan and Antichrist" REPRESENT

Satan represents the spirit of division and selfishness based on FEAR and IGNORANCE
(instead of love and truth which are keeping with the spirit of God or Greater Good)

Antichrist stems from this, and is the abuse of collective authority and law to bully and oppress others. This is mostly associated with or represented by GOVERNMENT abuse,
but any personal "relationship abuse" can be in teh spirit of Antichrist, or trying to use
fear and retribution to control, judge or punish others (while the spirit of Christ is to enforce laws by self-submission and to restore relations for the sake of Peace and Justice)

Lastly, the "False Prophet" symbolizes any false teaching or hateful speech in teh spirit of unforgiveness to divide and conquer, to sever relations and keep people divided (instead of healing words of grace and comfort to restore relations in heavenly peace on earth)

So ALL abuse/corruption/coercion/bullying/oppression
involves FEAR based manipulations (which is what Satan's influence represents)

ALL words and actions in the spirit of hateful retribution, judgment and punishment of others to deny and project one's own blame onto others so as to abuse law and authority,
are what the spirit of ANTICHRIST represent

(instead of seeking RESTORATIVE JUSTICE in the spirit of forgiveness AND correction,
which is what the spirit of CHRIST JESUS represents)

NOTE: One can be following Buddhist law or Constitutional laws or other 'natural laws' in the spirit of Truth and Justice and be in keeping with the spirit of Christ as a "neighbor"

Just as one can be ABUSING either secular or religious laws, including the Bible and Christianity, in the spirit of ANTICHRIST and not be of Christ but be against the true spirit.

So you cannot judge just because someone is labeled "nontheist" or "theist" or "Christian" or "nonChristian." You can judge by their judgment if the person is interpreting, applying and living by laws (whether divine or natural, religious or secular) with Love of Truth and Restorative Justice with Mercy (which is in keeping with God and Christ) or with false fears, denial and projection, unforgiveness and hypocrisy/corruption, etc. that are the OPPOSITE of Truth and Justice (God/Jesus) and thus are in the spirit of Satan and Antichrist (fear and ignorance instead of love and truth; injustice instead of justice).

assuming at it's finest!

 

[JakeStarkey]

As an atheist, I find it interesting that most religions need a whipping boy of sorts to promote their ideas. The major three (christianity, islam and judaism) have the concept of "Satan" to attach the faults of mankind too. However, there are religions that actually worship that deity as well. Just wondering, if there have ever been any major Genocides attributed to this practice?

Many religions exist that worship non-deities. For example, Confucianism worships ancestors, the Tao a path of conduct, and atheists the philosophy of non-deity. All groups, deistic and non-, can get hinky, sallow.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Many religions exist that worship non-deities. For example, Confucianism worships ancestors, the Tao a path of conduct, and atheists the philosophy of non-deity. All groups, deistic and non-, can get hinky, sallow.

You actually made sense there, Jake.

It's awfully late in the day for you to be sober, isn't it?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Thank you for the comment.

The point is: you are the one who is sober so early in the afternoon. Very early for you.

You can apply the concept to political and historical themes, and you are among those of the far far beyond hinky ones. Tis what tis.

 

[emilynghiem]

assuming at it's finest!

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Can you explain your comment about assuming?

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Sorry, but I would like to know more about the
context that your perspective comes from

Can you please reply in more detail?
What exactly you object to or agree with?

 

[daws101]

assuming at it's finest!

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Can you explain your comment about assuming?

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Sorry, but I would like to know more about the
context that your perspective comes from

Can you please reply in more detail?
What exactly you object to or agree with?

it's self explanatory

 

[logical4u]

QUOTE=daws101;4687930]

assuming at it's finest!

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Can you explain your comment about assuming?

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Sorry, but I would like to know more about the
context that your perspective comes from

Can you please reply in more detail?
What exactly you object to or agree with?

it's self explanatory[/QUOTE]

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[daws101]

QUOTE=daws101;4687930]

assuming at it's finest!

???

Can you explain your comment about assuming?

???

Sorry, but I would like to know more about the
context that your perspective comes from

Can you please reply in more detail?
What exactly you object to or agree with?

it's self explanatory

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[Marie888]

As an atheist, I find it interesting that most religions need a whipping boy of sorts to promote their ideas. The major three (christianity, islam and judaism) have the concept of "Satan" to attach the faults of mankind too. However, there are religions that actually worship that deity as well. Just wondering, if there have ever been any major Genocides attributed to this practice?

Don't think you fully understand who Satan is. Not that I fully understand either, we are all learning.. but perhaps a further read up about Satan (who comes masked as an angel of light) may help?


Who is Satan?

Satan was created as a holy angel. Isaiah 14:12 possibly gives Satan’s pre-fall name as Lucifer. Ezekiel 28:12-14 describes Satan as having been created a cherubim, apparently the highest created angel. He became arrogant in his beauty and status and decided he wanted to sit on a throne above that of God (Isaiah 14:13-14; Ezekiel 28:15; 1 Timothy 3:6). Satan’s pride led to his fall. Notice the many “I will” statements in Isaiah 14:12-15. Because of his sin, God barred Satan from heaven.

Satan became the ruler of this world and the prince of the power of the air (John 12:31; 2 Corinthians 4:4; Ephesians 2:2). He is an accuser (Revelation 12:10), a tempter (Matthew 4:3; 1 Thessalonians 3:5), and a deceiver (Genesis 3; 2 Corinthians 4:4; Revelation 20:3). His very name means “adversary” or “one who opposes.” Another of his titles, the devil, means “slanderer.”

Even though he was cast out of heaven, he still seeks to elevate his throne above God. He counterfeits all that God does, hoping to gain the worship of the world and encourage opposition to God's kingdom. Satan is the ultimate source behind every false cult and world religion. Satan will do anything and everything in his power to oppose God and those who follow God. However, Satan’s destiny is sealed—an eternity in the lake of fire (Revelation 20:10).

As a proclaimed Atheist, can you claim 100% that you know that there is no God and there is no Satan?

Ever thought that Satan has minions who proclaim to be followers of Christ, but are ill-willed? Wouldn't that be a good "trickster" way to deceive people?

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2 Corinthians 11:13-15&version=NIRV

2 Corinthians 11:13-15 People like that are false apostles. They work hard to trick others. They only pretend to be apostles of Christ.

14 That comes as no surprise. Even Satan himself pretends to be an angel of light. 15 So it doesn't surprise us that those who serve Satan pretend to be serving God. They will finally get exactly what they should.

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[Dragon]

This thread has veered slightly off-track. The original question was not whether Satan has been responsible for genocides, but whether the WORSHIP of Satan has been.

Satan being an embodiment of evil in Christian and Muslim thought, naturally he would be the force behind something as evil as genocide; however, what the OP was asking was something much easier to verify one way or another, and something that in fact doesn't require that Satan really exist for the answer to be "yes." People could worship Satan without there really being any such creature. If they do, and if Satan-worshipers are responsible for a significant portion of the world's genocides, then the question should be answered yes.

I would add here that I disagree rather sharply with one thing the OP said, that religions require a whipping-boy. This is true only if (1) they posit an all-powerful and good God, and must somehow account for the existence of evil; and/or (2) they wish to tarbrush the gods of other religions.

Most of the world's religions don't have a Satan figure. That's true of Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism, Judaism for the most part, and Neopaganism. Evil spirits or the equivalent exist in some of these contexts, but not a Big Bad Guy.