The Will to Live

[Unkotare]

"Temples and churches, pagodas and mosques, in all lands and in all ages, in splendor and vastness, testify to the metaphysical need of man, which, strong and ineradicable, follows close upon his physical need."

- Arthur Schopenhauer


In consideration of human history, it is hard to argue with the notion of a fundamental metaphysical need among human beings as a consequence or condition of our unique intelligence.

 

[skye]

The will to live is intrinsic in all Nature, humans and animals .....vegetation too.

 

[Unkotare]

The will to live is intrinsic in all Nature, humans and animals .....vegetation too.

Not in the sense Schopenhauer was referring.

 

[skye]

The will to live is intrinsic in all Nature, humans and animals .....vegetation too.

Not in the sense Schopenhauer was referring.

Schopenhauer or not

The will to live is intrinsic in all creatures created by GOD.



Good night everybody.

 

[Unkotare]

The will to live is intrinsic in all Nature, humans and animals .....vegetation too.

Not in the sense Schopenhauer was referring.

Schopenhauer or not

The will to live is intrinsic in all creatures created by GOD.



Good night everybody.

You're not paying attention.

 

[DarkFury]

The will to live is intrinsic in all Nature, humans and animals .....vegetation too.

Not in the sense Schopenhauer was referring.

Schopenhauer or not

The will to live is intrinsic in all creatures created by GOD.



Good night everybody.

You're not paying attention.

And your not listening.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

He's attempting to start a thread about hedonism and how the human condition generally prefers the seven deadly sins vice altruism (unless there's pleasure to be derived from the latter).

*****SMILE*****

 

[Unkotare]

He's attempting to start a thread about hedonism and how the human condition generally prefers the seven deadly sins vice altruism (unless there's pleasure to be derived from the latter)....

Who?

 

[Damaged Eagle]

Perhaps the United States educational system and it's pretension of believing that a sheepskin makes a individual superior to another therefore they require significantly more money than other countries expend on education so they can have their brick and mortar buildings, laptops, new sports lockers, new football stadiums, new baseball fields, and such.

*****SMILE*****

 

[BreezeWood]

"Temples and churches, pagodas and mosques, in all lands and in all ages, in splendor and vastness, testify to the metaphysical need of man, which, strong and ineradicable, follows close upon his physical need."

- Arthur Schopenhauer


In consideration of human history, it is hard to argue with the notion of a fundamental metaphysical need among human beings as a consequence or condition of our unique intelligence.

.

"Temples and churches, pagodas and mosques, in all lands and in all ages, in splendor and vastness, testify to the metaphysical need of man

not in the least, in most they testify to its substitution such as "You're not paying attention". the billboards for the righteous.

 

[IsaacNewton]

"Temples and churches, pagodas and mosques, in all lands and in all ages, in splendor and vastness, testify to the metaphysical need of man, which, strong and ineradicable, follows close upon his physical need."

- Arthur Schopenhauer


In consideration of human history, it is hard to argue with the notion of a fundamental metaphysical need among human beings as a consequence or condition of our unique intelligence.

Paintings and signs in caves that have survived tens of thousands of years do not date back 200,000-300,00 years, or when homo sapiens were thought to evolve. If belief in a higher existence were intrinsic we'd see it that far back or close to it. And that would be only one indicator. That we don't see it until relatively recently says a lot. Even within the last 30,000 years humans have shown reverence for the lives of the animals they kill. For all living things. How many people today could not care less about a dead cow or bear.

The OP is right that modern humans, going back 10,000 years maybe, have gradually gravitated to deities. Tens of thousands of them. The first were of nature. God of the corn, god of the volcano, or of fertility. Monotheism is very recent in terms of the entire history of humankind.

Before this humans were animals surviving in a physical world. The concept of a 'higher being' or an entity controlling things like lightning and fire were absent.

 

[Unkotare]

"Temples and churches, pagodas and mosques, in all lands and in all ages, in splendor and vastness, testify to the metaphysical need of man, which, strong and ineradicable, follows close upon his physical need."

- Arthur Schopenhauer


In consideration of human history, it is hard to argue with the notion of a fundamental metaphysical need among human beings as a consequence or condition of our unique intelligence.

.

"Temples and churches, pagodas and mosques, in all lands and in all ages, in splendor and vastness, testify to the metaphysical need of man

not in the least, in most they testify to its substitution such as "You're not paying attention". the billboards for the righteous.

And you believe that because...?

 

[Unkotare]

"Temples and churches, pagodas and mosques, in all lands and in all ages, in splendor and vastness, testify to the metaphysical need of man, which, strong and ineradicable, follows close upon his physical need."

- Arthur Schopenhauer


In consideration of human history, it is hard to argue with the notion of a fundamental metaphysical need among human beings as a consequence or condition of our unique intelligence.

Paintings and signs in caves that have survived tens of thousands of years do not date back 200,000-300,00 years, or when homo sapiens were thought to evolve. If belief in a higher existence were intrinsic we'd see it that far back or close to it. And that would be only one indicator. That we don't see it until relatively recently says a lot. Even within the last 30,000 years humans have shown reverence for the lives of the animals they kill. For all living things. How many people today could not care less about a dead cow or bear.

The OP is right that modern humans, going back 10,000 years maybe, have gradually gravitated to deities. Tens of thousands of them. The first were of nature. God of the corn, god of the volcano, or of fertility. Monotheism is very recent in terms of the entire history of humankind.

Before this humans were animals surviving in a physical world. The concept of a 'higher being' or an entity controlling things like lightning and fire were absent.

This is an illogical conclusion.

 

[task0778]

Maybe I am way off on what Schopenhauer is getting at, but I see it as the concept that mankind needs to believe in something that exists after death. Cuz if you don't have that when WTF are we doing here suffering the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune? How strong is the will to live when you're alone and you got nothin' but pain and hopelessness? Yeah, it's great when you got the world by the ass but it ain't so hot when it's the other way around.

 

[AVISSSER]

Immortality.

 

[BreezeWood]

"Temples and churches, pagodas and mosques, in all lands and in all ages, in splendor and vastness, testify to the metaphysical need of man, which, strong and ineradicable, follows close upon his physical need."

- Arthur Schopenhauer


In consideration of human history, it is hard to argue with the notion of a fundamental metaphysical need among human beings as a consequence or condition of our unique intelligence.

.

"Temples and churches, pagodas and mosques, in all lands and in all ages, in splendor and vastness, testify to the metaphysical need of man

not in the least, in most they testify to its substitution such as "You're not paying attention". the billboards for the righteous.

And you believe that because...?

.

"Temples and churches, pagodas and mosques, in all lands and in all ages, in splendor and vastness, testify to the metaphysical need of man, which, strong and ineradicable, follows close upon his physical need."

not in the least, in most they testify to its substitution

And you believe that because...?

in abject disharmony with -

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recorded history proves otherwise for what they portray

 

[Unkotare]

"Temples and churches, pagodas and mosques, in all lands and in all ages, in splendor and vastness, testify to the metaphysical need of man, which, strong and ineradicable, follows close upon his physical need."

- Arthur Schopenhauer


In consideration of human history, it is hard to argue with the notion of a fundamental metaphysical need among human beings as a consequence or condition of our unique intelligence.

.

"Temples and churches, pagodas and mosques, in all lands and in all ages, in splendor and vastness, testify to the metaphysical need of man

not in the least, in most they testify to its substitution such as "You're not paying attention". the billboards for the righteous.

And you believe that because...?

.

"Temples and churches, pagodas and mosques, in all lands and in all ages, in splendor and vastness, testify to the metaphysical need of man, which, strong and ineradicable, follows close upon his physical need."

not in the least, in most they testify to its substitution

And you believe that because...?

in abject disharmony with -

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recorded history proves otherwise for what they portray

What exactly are you trying to say?

 

[Chuz Life]

"Temples and churches, pagodas and mosques, in all lands and in all ages, in splendor and vastness, testify to the metaphysical need of man, which, strong and ineradicable, follows close upon his physical need."

- Arthur Schopenhauer


In consideration of human history, it is hard to argue with the notion of a fundamental metaphysical need among human beings as a consequence or condition of our unique intelligence.

I disagree that there are countless examples of mankind's pursuits in all things 'metaphysical.' The churches, altars, statues, books, etc. . . They all speak for that themselves.

My problem is with calling it a "need." Maybe some people do. . . But I don't personally 'need' any of that shit.

 

[task0778]

"Temples and churches, pagodas and mosques, in all lands and in all ages, in splendor and vastness, testify to the metaphysical need of man, which, strong and ineradicable, follows close upon his physical need."

- Arthur Schopenhauer


In consideration of human history, it is hard to argue with the notion of a fundamental metaphysical need among human beings as a consequence or condition of our unique intelligence.

I disagree that there are countless examples of mankind's pursuits in all things 'metaphysical.' The churches, altars, statues, books, etc. . . They all speak for that themselves.

My problem is with calling it a "need." Maybe some people do. . . But I don't personally 'need' any of that shit.

Whatever works for you is good, but that doesn't mean it works for everybody else. In fact, I would go so far as to say that the majority of people throughout history and leading up to and including now actually DO have spiritual needs.

 

[Unkotare]

"Temples and churches, pagodas and mosques, in all lands and in all ages, in splendor and vastness, testify to the metaphysical need of man, which, strong and ineradicable, follows close upon his physical need."

- Arthur Schopenhauer


In consideration of human history, it is hard to argue with the notion of a fundamental metaphysical need among human beings as a consequence or condition of our unique intelligence.

I disagree that there are countless examples of mankind's pursuits in all things 'metaphysical.' The churches, altars, statues, books, etc. . . They all speak for that themselves.

My problem is with calling it a "need." Maybe some people do. . . But I don't personally 'need' any of that shit.

You need to ask yourself why it makes you so uncomfortable to consider that you DO have such a need.