The Will to Live

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    Paintings and signs in caves that have survived tens of thousands of years do not date back 200,000-300,00 years, or when homo sapiens were thought to evolve. If belief in a higher existence were intrinsic we'd see it that far back or close to it. And that would be only one indicator. That we don't see it until relatively recently says a lot. Even within the last 30,000 years humans have shown reverence for the lives of the animals they kill. For all living things. How many people today could not care less about a dead cow or bear.

    The OP is right that modern humans, going back 10,000 years maybe, have gradually gravitated to deities. Tens of thousands of them. The first were of nature. God of the corn, god of the volcano, or of fertility. Monotheism is very recent in terms of the entire history of humankind.

    Before this humans were animals surviving in a physical world. The concept of a 'higher being' or an entity controlling things like lightning and fire were absent.
     
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    And you believe that because...?
     
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    This is an illogical conclusion.
     
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    Maybe I am way off on what Schopenhauer is getting at, but I see it as the concept that mankind needs to believe in something that exists after death. Cuz if you don't have that when WTF are we doing here suffering the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune? How strong is the will to live when you're alone and you got nothin' but pain and hopelessness? Yeah, it's great when you got the world by the ass but it ain't so hot when it's the other way around.
     
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    Immortality.
     
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    in abject disharmony with -

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    recorded history proves otherwise for what they portray
     
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    What exactly are you trying to say?
     
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    I disagree that there are countless examples of mankind's pursuits in all things 'metaphysical.' The churches, altars, statues, books, etc. . . They all speak for that themselves.

    My problem is with calling it a "need." Maybe some people do. . . But I don't personally 'need' any of that shit.
     
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    Whatever works for you is good, but that doesn't mean it works for everybody else. In fact, I would go so far as to say that the majority of people throughout history and leading up to and including now actually DO have spiritual needs.
     
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    You need to ask yourself why it makes you so uncomfortable to consider that you DO have such a need.
     

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