The Weather Isn't Getting Weirder

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The Weather Isn't Getting Weirder
Some climate alarmists would have us believe that these storms are yet another baleful consequence of man-made CO2 emissions. In addition to the latest weather events, they also point to recent cyclones in Burma, last winter's fatal chills in Nepal and Bangladesh, December's blizzards in Britain, and every other drought, typhoon and unseasonable heat wave around the world.

But is it true? To answer that question, you need to understand whether recent weather trends are extreme by historical standards. The Twentieth Century Reanalysis Project is the latest attempt to find out, using super-computers to generate a dataset of global atmospheric circulation from 1871 to the present.

As it happens, the project's initial findings, published last month, show no evidence of an intensifying weather trend. "In the climate models, the extremes get more extreme as we move into a doubled CO2 world in 100 years," atmospheric scientist Gilbert Compo, one of the researchers on the project, tells me from his office at the University of Colorado, Boulder. "So we were surprised that none of the three major indices of climate variability that we used show a trend of increased circulation going back to 1871."

In other words, researchers have yet to find evidence of more-extreme weather patterns over the period, contrary to what the models predict. "There's no data-driven answer yet to the question of how human activity has affected extreme weather," adds Roger Pielke Jr., another University of Colorado climate researcher.

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Even rich countries can be caught off guard: Witness the thousands stranded when Heathrow skimped on de-icing supplies and let five inches of snow ground flights for two days before Christmas. Britain's GDP shrank by 0.5% in the fourth quarter of 2010, for which the Office of National Statistics mostly blames "the bad weather."

Arguably, global warming was a factor in that case. Or at least the idea of global warming was. The London-based Global Warming Policy Foundation charges that British authorities are so committed to the notion that Britain's future will be warmer that they have failed to plan for winter storms that have hit the country three years running.​
 
When detailed records only go back a hundred or so years, is it really surprising that monthly weather 'records' are are going to be broken every decade or so. (I'm thinking of the UK's December average temp being the the lowest ever.)
 
Arctic Oscillation: Cause Of Very Cold Winter In The U.S.? | KATC.com | Acadiana-Lafayette, Louisiana

The Arctic Oscillation is one of many climate patterns that can reach far around the globe to affect the day-to-day weather.

The Arctic Oscillation (AO) has a significant influence on winter weather in the U.S. The northern U.S., eastern U.S., and as well as Western Europe. The AO refers to a seesaw pattern in atmospheric pressure between the polar regions and the middle latitudes. It fluctuates on the order of weeks and months, though it also shows some tendency to favor one phase or another for years at a time.
 
Arctic Oscillation: Cause Of Very Cold Winter In The U.S.? | KATC.com | Acadiana-Lafayette, Louisiana

The Arctic Oscillation is one of many climate patterns that can reach far around the globe to affect the day-to-day weather.

The Arctic Oscillation (AO) has a significant influence on winter weather in the U.S. The northern U.S., eastern U.S., and as well as Western Europe. The AO refers to a seesaw pattern in atmospheric pressure between the polar regions and the middle latitudes. It fluctuates on the order of weeks and months, though it also shows some tendency to favor one phase or another for years at a time.

Is that meant as a refutation? Because, you know, it isn't.
 
Well let's see. Tennessee floods. Pakistani floods, Russian and East European heat wave and droughts, Australian floods, abnormally cold weather in our southern states, Chinese floods, and the floods in Sri Lanka. Each and every event affecting our food supply. But things are just peachy keen normal.

Daveman, you are a fool.
 
Well let's see. Tennessee floods. Pakistani floods, Russian and East European heat wave and droughts, Australian floods, abnormally cold weather in our southern states, Chinese floods, and the floods in Sri Lanka. Each and every event affecting our food supply. But things are just peachy keen normal.

And we all know floods just started 20 years ago. There were never floods before that.

Yep, it all sounds pretty normal to me.

Daveman, you are a fool.

:badgrin::lol::lol:

That has to be the most amusing thing you wrote. I mean, it's you, after all, who continues to believe in this nonsense ginned up by climate "scientists" who have pretty much been wrong about everything they have predicted for the last 40 years. You're as bad as some of the foot washing Baptists down here who believe every word in the Bible is literal.
 
Well let's see. Tennessee floods. Pakistani floods, Russian and East European heat wave and droughts, Australian floods, abnormally cold weather in our southern states, Chinese floods, and the floods in Sri Lanka. Each and every event affecting our food supply. But things are just peachy keen normal.

Daveman, you are a fool.
There is ALWAYS extreme weather. You AGW cultists' insistence that there would be an optimum temperature and gentle weather but for man's interference is simply unrealistic and not borne out by history.
 
The Weather Isn't Getting Weirder
Some climate alarmists would have us believe that these storms are yet another baleful consequence of man-made CO2 emissions. In addition to the latest weather events, they also point to recent cyclones in Burma, last winter's fatal chills in Nepal and Bangladesh, December's blizzards in Britain, and every other drought, typhoon and unseasonable heat wave around the world.

But is it true? To answer that question, you need to understand whether recent weather trends are extreme by historical standards. The Twentieth Century Reanalysis Project is the latest attempt to find out, using super-computers to generate a dataset of global atmospheric circulation from 1871 to the present.

As it happens, the project's initial findings, published last month, show no evidence of an intensifying weather trend. "In the climate models, the extremes get more extreme as we move into a doubled CO2 world in 100 years," atmospheric scientist Gilbert Compo, one of the researchers on the project, tells me from his office at the University of Colorado, Boulder. "So we were surprised that none of the three major indices of climate variability that we used show a trend of increased circulation going back to 1871."

In other words, researchers have yet to find evidence of more-extreme weather patterns over the period, contrary to what the models predict. "There's no data-driven answer yet to the question of how human activity has affected extreme weather," adds Roger Pielke Jr., another University of Colorado climate researcher.

--

Even rich countries can be caught off guard: Witness the thousands stranded when Heathrow skimped on de-icing supplies and let five inches of snow ground flights for two days before Christmas. Britain's GDP shrank by 0.5% in the fourth quarter of 2010, for which the Office of National Statistics mostly blames "the bad weather."

Arguably, global warming was a factor in that case. Or at least the idea of global warming was. The London-based Global Warming Policy Foundation charges that British authorities are so committed to the notion that Britain's future will be warmer that they have failed to plan for winter storms that have hit the country three years running.

Now this IS an interesting study.

It's one I have long thought ought to be done.

The only question in my mind is do we have enough historical data to truly KNOW if weather extremes are getting more extreme?

Frankly, I doubt we do.
 
The Weather Isn't Getting Weirder
Some climate alarmists would have us believe that these storms are yet another baleful consequence of man-made CO2 emissions. In addition to the latest weather events, they also point to recent cyclones in Burma, last winter's fatal chills in Nepal and Bangladesh, December's blizzards in Britain, and every other drought, typhoon and unseasonable heat wave around the world.

But is it true? To answer that question, you need to understand whether recent weather trends are extreme by historical standards. The Twentieth Century Reanalysis Project is the latest attempt to find out, using super-computers to generate a dataset of global atmospheric circulation from 1871 to the present.

As it happens, the project's initial findings, published last month, show no evidence of an intensifying weather trend. "In the climate models, the extremes get more extreme as we move into a doubled CO2 world in 100 years," atmospheric scientist Gilbert Compo, one of the researchers on the project, tells me from his office at the University of Colorado, Boulder. "So we were surprised that none of the three major indices of climate variability that we used show a trend of increased circulation going back to 1871."

In other words, researchers have yet to find evidence of more-extreme weather patterns over the period, contrary to what the models predict. "There's no data-driven answer yet to the question of how human activity has affected extreme weather," adds Roger Pielke Jr., another University of Colorado climate researcher.

--

Even rich countries can be caught off guard: Witness the thousands stranded when Heathrow skimped on de-icing supplies and let five inches of snow ground flights for two days before Christmas. Britain's GDP shrank by 0.5% in the fourth quarter of 2010, for which the Office of National Statistics mostly blames "the bad weather."

Arguably, global warming was a factor in that case. Or at least the idea of global warming was. The London-based Global Warming Policy Foundation charges that British authorities are so committed to the notion that Britain's future will be warmer that they have failed to plan for winter storms that have hit the country three years running.

Now this IS an interesting study.

It's one I have long thought ought to be done.

The only question in my mind is do we have enough historical data to truly KNOW if weather extremes are getting more extreme?

Frankly, I doubt we do.
Why wouldn't we?
 
Interesting read, Dave. Thanks. I'm still going to drive a car that's as clean, and high-mileage as I can afford - just because it makes economic and environmental sense.

Anyone who can truly tell you what the future holds is sitting on a beach in Tahiti making their fortune in stock options, not posting to this silly message board.
 
Interesting read, Dave. Thanks. I'm still going to drive a car that's as clean, and high-mileage as I can afford - just because it makes economic and environmental sense.

Anyone who can truly tell you what the future holds is sitting on a beach in Tahiti making their fortune in stock options, not posting to this silly message board.
Indeed. Despite the AGW cult's fevered fantasies, skeptics think being aware of their environmental impact is a good idea.
 
The Weather Isn't Getting Weirder
Some climate alarmists would have us believe that these storms are yet another baleful consequence of man-made CO2 emissions. In addition to the latest weather events, they also point to recent cyclones in Burma, last winter's fatal chills in Nepal and Bangladesh, December's blizzards in Britain, and every other drought, typhoon and unseasonable heat wave around the world.

But is it true? To answer that question, you need to understand whether recent weather trends are extreme by historical standards. The Twentieth Century Reanalysis Project is the latest attempt to find out, using super-computers to generate a dataset of global atmospheric circulation from 1871 to the present.

As it happens, the project's initial findings, published last month, show no evidence of an intensifying weather trend. "In the climate models, the extremes get more extreme as we move into a doubled CO2 world in 100 years," atmospheric scientist Gilbert Compo, one of the researchers on the project, tells me from his office at the University of Colorado, Boulder. "So we were surprised that none of the three major indices of climate variability that we used show a trend of increased circulation going back to 1871."

In other words, researchers have yet to find evidence of more-extreme weather patterns over the period, contrary to what the models predict. "There's no data-driven answer yet to the question of how human activity has affected extreme weather," adds Roger Pielke Jr., another University of Colorado climate researcher.

--

Even rich countries can be caught off guard: Witness the thousands stranded when Heathrow skimped on de-icing supplies and let five inches of snow ground flights for two days before Christmas. Britain's GDP shrank by 0.5% in the fourth quarter of 2010, for which the Office of National Statistics mostly blames "the bad weather."

Arguably, global warming was a factor in that case. Or at least the idea of global warming was. The London-based Global Warming Policy Foundation charges that British authorities are so committed to the notion that Britain's future will be warmer that they have failed to plan for winter storms that have hit the country three years running.

Now this IS an interesting study.

It's one I have long thought ought to be done.

The only question in my mind is do we have enough historical data to truly KNOW if weather extremes are getting more extreme?

Frankly, I doubt we do.




editec, do your own survey. Type in any year into a google search going back to say 1600 and you will be amazed at the storms they had.....every year!
 
Interesting read, Dave. Thanks. I'm still going to drive a car that's as clean, and high-mileage as I can afford - just because it makes economic and environmental sense.

Anyone who can truly tell you what the future holds is sitting on a beach in Tahiti making their fortune in stock options, not posting to this silly message board.
Indeed. Despite the AGW cult's fevered fantasies, skeptics think being aware of their environmental impact is a good idea.

Courtesy in the 'hood today and consideration of the world we hand off to our kids tomorrow is all we have the right to ask of each other, eh?
 
This article is about the blizzard in the eastern United States and Canada. For the blizzard in the Great Plains in the same year, see Schoolhouse Blizzard.
Great Blizzard of 1888


The Great Blizzard of 1888 or Great Blizzard of '88 (March 11 – March 14, 1888) was one of the most severe blizzards in United States' recorded history. Snowfalls of 40-50 inches (102-127 cm) fell in parts of New Jersey, New York, Massachusetts and Connecticut, and sustained winds of over 45 miles per hour (72 km/h) produced snowdrifts in excess of 50 feet (15.2 m). Railroads were shut down and people were confined to their houses for up to a week.

Great Blizzard of 1888 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

February and March 1717

"The Great Snow of 1717" blanketed New England in a series of four storms, leaving nearly four feet on the ground and drifts up to 25 feet high.

January 1772

"The Washington and Jefferson Snowstorm" is so named because it trapped both men at their homes with snow up to three feet deep throughoutMaryland and Virginia.

December 1778

Named after the Revolutionary War troops stationed in Rhode Island, drifts were reported to be 15 feet high after this storm.
November 1798

"The Long Storm" went down in history as the snowiest on record for that month. Stretching from Maryland to Maine, up to a foot-and-a-half of snow coated the region.

December 1811

A powerful storm buffeted New York City, Long Island, and southern New England, accompanied by gale-force winds and destructive tides that severely damaged many ships and harbors.

January 1857

"The Cold Storm" produced severe blizzard conditions along much of the eastern seaboard. Temperatures fell below 9 below zero Fahrenheit, and snowfalls were between one and two feet deep.

Notable Winter Snowstorms: Historical List

yup, it's the end of the world.........again :rofl:
 
Interesting read, Dave. Thanks. I'm still going to drive a car that's as clean, and high-mileage as I can afford - just because it makes economic and environmental sense.

Anyone who can truly tell you what the future holds is sitting on a beach in Tahiti making their fortune in stock options, not posting to this silly message board.
Indeed. Despite the AGW cult's fevered fantasies, skeptics think being aware of their environmental impact is a good idea.

Courtesy in the 'hood today and consideration of the world we hand off to our kids tomorrow is all we have the right to ask of each other, eh?
Indeed. Breathless accusations that people who don't want world socialism must want KKKorporations to poison the air and water are simply silly.
 

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