Czernobog
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A "book about holy things" is, by definition, a holy book. You are just playing semantics in order to disguise your religion for what it is. I never said that the book is the cure for sin, I said it has, as in reveals (your word), the remedy.So, to be clear, you are claiming that you are in possession of a holy book that has the only "true" remedy for sin, you believe in an invisible God,but you are claiming that you are not discussing religion.Sooo...this salvation? It comes from whom? The Father would be...?This is Jewish doctrine from the Jewish section of the Judeo-Christian Bible.
It only applies to Jews around 800 BCE.
It is not relevant for anyone else.
If you want to address world religion you need to start with Philosophy NOT with Religion.
Well I disagree , the biblical message applies to everyone; truth is for all of us. And this thread is not going to address religion, its highlighting the free wonderful world salvation. In 1John 4:14 the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.
That is for the whole world , relevant for everyone!
Yes, the Salvation comes from God the Father. I am not quite sure what God is. I don't know , but the bible offers some clues. In Isaiah 46: 9 he said "I am God and there is none else"; interesting , as if he means he is the only one of whatever he is. He said there is none like him. Jesus is of course "Simiular",but not exactly like God. Jesus had to die , the Father has never died. Jesus prays to the Father , the Father prays to no one. The bible reveals that God is a "Spirit", that is far different from humans or animals., God once said "I am what I am."
So the Father would be "A Mystery." An enigmatic being ; and he has not gone out of his way to explain himself to us. We have to guess.
I hate to tell you pal, but you're talking about religion.
The bible is not a holy book , its a book that discusses holy things about holy beings. The book is not the remedy for sin ,it reveals the remedy for sin. And God is not invisible , we just can't see him because we have not been conditioned to. The thing is because you cannot explain some of these things , that makes it seem these things cannot be understood; because these things are a bowl of crap to you , you want to present them to the world as a bowl of crap. And I understand that, we are only conscious of those things we are conscious of. In my view ,most of the confusion about God that has been spread, has been spread by confused believers in God ;most of that damage has come from religion.
Theist have done far more damage to proper understanding of the bible than Atheist have done.
And I think that is how God wanted it.
"And God is not invisible , we just can't see him because we have not been conditioned to." Well, isn't that convenient, since the result is the same. A God that cannot be seen, and who's existence cannot be objectively proven.
"The thing is because you cannot explain some of these things , that makes it seem these things cannot be understood; because these things are a bowl of crap to you , you want to present them to the world as a bowl of crap." How arrogant of you. The problem isn't that I "can't explain some of these things", it is that the "things" talked about in the Bible are physically impossible. I can give you a list if you'd like. Carnivores on the the Ark. Animals on the ark having to have travelled thousands of miles, without leaving a trace, in order to exist where they do, the sun "standing still in the sky". That's just a few examples, and we haven't even gotten to the whole Jesus myth.