The Warren Healthcare Plan

[Oddball]

I'm among the "working stiffs" you parasite.

So just a willfully, FUCKING WILLFULLY, self-deluded, ignorant, volunteer, corporate tool then.
Oh well, sucks to be you.
Seems it really would be a blessing and in the national interest for you to..
Die Quickly.

You said it, I didn't....How you do so is your choice.

 

[Oddball]

Must say, quite the corporatist turnout! So "Die Quickly" big winner then, so far..

Just because people don't want your commie bullshit doesn't make them a corporatist.

That's what we call "false dichotomy", commie jackass.

 

[Grumblenuts]

You said it, I didn't..

And wasn't talking to you.

There s the problem-recognized internationally. Is that a good reason to do anything? Hitler did stuff-should we do what he did? Its international.

Yes, the fact that Hitler's actions were internationally recognized as shitty led to his regime being crushed internationally. Likewise, the fact that every other industrialized nation treats healthcare as a human right means we'd be wise to at least seriously consider doing so ourselves.

 

[Oddball]

You said it, I didn't..

And wasn't talking to you..

Couldn't care less....Swim your sorry commie ass to Cuba.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Still not talking to you. Hold on... Hey, Oddball.. grow up or fuck off!
There. Happy now?

 

[Markle]

The BRAD BLOG : Warren's Plan to Pay for 'Medicare for All' Without Raising Middle Class Taxes: 'BradCast' 11/1/2019

 

[Markle]

With Medicare For All you get to change jobs. That's why corporations instituted our employer based "healthcare" insurance scheme to begin with. To introduce artificial competition into the market.. institutionalizing the extraction of rents from illness and the fear losing one's health "coverage." To rip you off while forcing you to "Keep (your) job." And sure, elitist bureaucrats, private and public worked hand in hand, to accomplish that evil. Prior to that one could simply "Pay for (their) healthcare" dealing directly with their actual health care provider (doctor, hospital, etc). Problem remains, what about the too old, young, infirm, disabled, mentally ill,. Die Quickly, right?

SOOOOO much better under the Socialist healthcare in Great Britain. Yes, this has been discontinued for obvious reasons but just the fact that it was put in place and utilized for years defines the failure of their system!

22 January 2013 Last updated at 13:43
Liverpool Care Pathway: More than 10,000 patients placed on plan
By Julian SturdyBBC Look East

Almost half of the acute hospital trusts in the East have been offered incentives by the government to put dying patients on a programme that allows doctors to withdraw treatment.

Liverpool Care Pathway: A National Scandal: Liverpool Care Pathway - The Open Secret

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Wednesday, 20 June 2012
Doctor: British Health Service Euthanizes 130,000 Patients a Year
Written by Michael Tennant

The British National Health Service (NHS) — the epitome of socialized medicine — may be prematurely ending the lives of as many as 130,000 elderly patients annually, a top physician told the Royal Society of Medicine in London. Patrick Pullicino, a consultant neurologist for East Kent Hospitals and professor of clinical neurosciences at the University of Kent, said a controversial end-of-life care method called the Liverpool Care Pathway (LCP) now used in British hospitals has become an “assisted death pathway rather than a care pathway,” according to a report in the Daily Mail.

“If we accept the Liverpool Care Pathway we accept that euthanasia is part of the standard way of dying as it is now associated with 29 per cent of NHS deaths,” Pullicino declared, referring to statistics showing that of the 450,000 annual deaths of patients under NHS care, about 130,000 are of patients who were on the LCP.

Doctor: British Health Service Euthanizes 130,000 Patients a Year

 

[Grumblenuts]

With Medicare For All you get to change jobs. That's why corporations instituted our employer based "healthcare" insurance scheme to begin with. To introduce artificial competition into the market.. institutionalizing the extraction of rents from illness and the fear losing one's health "coverage." To rip you off while forcing you to "Keep (your) job." And sure, elitist bureaucrats, private and public worked hand in hand, to accomplish that evil. Prior to that one could simply "Pay for (their) healthcare" dealing directly with their actual health care provider (doctor, hospital, etc). Problem remains, what about the too old, young, infirm, disabled, mentally ill,. Die Quickly, right?

SOOOOO much better under the Socialist healthcare in Great Britain. Yes, this has been discontinued for obvious reasons but just the fact that it was put in place and utilized for years defines the failure of their system!

22 January 2013 Last updated at 13:43
Liverpool Care Pathway: More than 10,000 patients placed on plan
By Julian SturdyBBC Look East

Almost half of the acute hospital trusts in the East have been offered incentives by the government to put dying patients on a programme that allows doctors to withdraw treatment.

Liverpool Care Pathway: A National Scandal: Liverpool Care Pathway - The Open Secret

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Wednesday, 20 June 2012
Doctor: British Health Service Euthanizes 130,000 Patients a Year
Written by Michael Tennant

The British National Health Service (NHS) — the epitome of socialized medicine — may be prematurely ending the lives of as many as 130,000 elderly patients annually, a top physician told the Royal Society of Medicine in London. Patrick Pullicino, a consultant neurologist for East Kent Hospitals and professor of clinical neurosciences at the University of Kent, said a controversial end-of-life care method called the Liverpool Care Pathway (LCP) now used in British hospitals has become an “assisted death pathway rather than a care pathway,” according to a report in the Daily Mail.

“If we accept the Liverpool Care Pathway we accept that euthanasia is part of the standard way of dying as it is now associated with 29 per cent of NHS deaths,” Pullicino declared, referring to statistics showing that of the 450,000 annual deaths of patients under NHS care, about 130,000 are of patients who were on the LCP.

Doctor: British Health Service Euthanizes 130,000 Patients a Year

"Yes, this has been discontinued for obvious reasons but" Pffft!
Way to destroy your own desperate argument.
And your alternative plan? Die Quickly, right?

 

[Markle]

Here are a couple of reasonable solutions.

Create a high risk pool for those with serious pre-existing conditions. Not all pre-existing conditions exempt an individual from purchasing health insurance at a reasonable price.

Eliminate all government-mandated coverage. Allow the consumer to select the coverage that suits their needs best.

Allow the purchase of catastrophic coverage. In other words, if someone is young, healthy and has other priorities, allow them to purchase catastrophic coverage. Coverage that won't pay for any incidentals but if someone is in an automobile accident that would be covered. If they were 28 years old and broke a toe, they foot that bill themselves. If they get MS, that will be covered.

Allow the purchase of health insurance across state lines. Just as we do with auto insurance.

Require Medicaid to cover in-patient treatment of the mentally ill, drug and substance abuse. That would help solve the homeless problem and mass shootings.

See, I am a veritable cornucopia of solutions and wisdom!

 

[Grumblenuts]

Here are a couple of reasonable solutions.

Create a high risk pool for those with serious pre-existing conditions. Not all pre-existing conditions exempt an individual from purchasing health insurance at a reasonable price.

Eliminate all government-mandated coverage. Allow the consumer to select the coverage that suits their needs best.

Allow the purchase of catastrophic coverage. In other words, if someone is young, healthy and has other priorities, allow them to purchase catastrophic coverage. Coverage that won't pay for any incidentals but if someone is in an automobile accident that would be covered. If they were 28 years old and broke a toe, they foot that bill themselves. If they get MS, that will be covered.

Wowee, you've just summarized Obamacare!

Allow the purchase of health insurance across state lines. Just as we do with auto insurance.

Gee, you mean like Medicare has been recommending?

Require Medicaid to cover in-patient treatment of the mentally ill, drug and substance abuse.

So more Medicaid? Even more govt involvement in healthcare?

Okay? Thanks for playing.

 

[Third Party]

You said it, I didn't..

And wasn't talking to you.

There s the problem-recognized internationally. Is that a good reason to do anything? Hitler did stuff-should we do what he did? Its international.

Yes, the fact that Hitler's actions were internationally recognized as shitty led to his regime being crushed internationally. Likewise, the fact that every other industrialized nation treats healthcare as a human right means we'd be wise to at least seriously consider doing so ourselves.

Considered and...NO! Europe is tanking themselves and we are supposed to follow? Time for Americans to practice personal responsibility. And if you can't do that, go to Europe!

 

[Grumblenuts]

Considering is hard.

#1316 Winning the messaging war for a just, moral health care system

 

[Third Party]

Considering is hard.

#1316 Winning the messaging war for a just, moral health care system

Considering is hard-but deciding is easy.

 

[TNHarley]

Lol the OP called individual responsibility corporatism

 

[Markle]

Elizabeth Warren flat out lies about middle-income workers not having massive tax increases. Of course, that far left believes her and follows blindly.

In her plan.

First, the confiscation of wealth is unconstitutional unless by due process. She'd have to sue each person to confiscate these dollars.

"Warren is calling to double her wealth tax on billionaires, so they’d owe 6% on their accumulated wealth more than $1 billion. She’d previously proposed a 3% tax on assets more than $1 billion. A 2% tax would still kick in on fortunes worth more than $50 million."

Here she unabashedly stating that middle-income workers do not have any investments. They own nothing in stocks, they do not buy and sell real estate. A flat out lie!

"Capital Gains
Warren’s plan would also effectively get rid of any tax advantages for capital gains income. She’s calling to raise the capital gains tax rate -- currently at 23.8% -- to match the top rate on wages, which is currently at 37% but would likely go up under a Warren administration."

Here is another tax that would affect ALL who invest in stocks, bonds or other securities.

"Investors would also get hit when they buy or sell stock, bonds or other securities. Warren would tax those transactions at 0.1% -- a levy that would especially hit day traders and money managers that frequently re-balance their portfolios.

She also wants to increase IRS audits, which is fine with me, but she is saying that this will NOT affect middle-income workers which is foolish.

"Warren also relies on greatly expanded Internal Revenue Service audits to generate $2.3 trillion in revenue over a decade. She says these audits would collect tax revenue owed, but not collected, under current law."

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

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Sen. Warren obviously knows that her followers are far too ignorant to realize that a new Medicare contribution would come from the employer and not cost the employee. If those ignorant workers believe that, they also believe that half of the Social Security contribution is also paid by the employer, out of their pocket, and costs the employee nothing. Are there people who are really that naive?

"A new employer Medicare contribution to raise $8.8 trillion, which the campaign says would save companies $200 billion relative to what they would have shelled out under the current system"

Elizabeth Warren says she would not raise middle-class taxes for $52 trillion health-care plan

Obviously, Elizabeth Warren hopes to give Chris Angel a run for his money after the election!

 

[debbiedowner]

Here are a couple of reasonable solutions.

Create a high risk pool for those with serious pre-existing conditions. Not all pre-existing conditions exempt an individual from purchasing health insurance at a reasonable price.

Eliminate all government-mandated coverage. Allow the consumer to select the coverage that suits their needs best.

Allow the purchase of catastrophic coverage. In other words, if someone is young, healthy and has other priorities, allow them to purchase catastrophic coverage. Coverage that won't pay for any incidentals but if someone is in an automobile accident that would be covered. If they were 28 years old and broke a toe, they foot that bill themselves. If they get MS, that will be covered.

Allow the purchase of health insurance across state lines. Just as we do with auto insurance.

Require Medicaid to cover in-patient treatment of the mentally ill, drug and substance abuse. That would help solve the homeless problem and mass shootings.

See, I am a veritable cornucopia of solutions and wisdom!

Damn you haven't been keep up have you?

Can purchase cat plans now, can purchase across state lines now, auto insurance covers auto accidents up to a certain point PIP and I can go on and on. Why don't you stay on the side lines old man?

 

[Markle]

Here are a couple of reasonable solutions.

Create a high risk pool for those with serious pre-existing conditions. Not all pre-existing conditions exempt an individual from purchasing health insurance at a reasonable price.

Eliminate all government-mandated coverage. Allow the consumer to select the coverage that suits their needs best.

Allow the purchase of catastrophic coverage. In other words, if someone is young, healthy and has other priorities, allow them to purchase catastrophic coverage. Coverage that won't pay for any incidentals but if someone is in an automobile accident that would be covered. If they were 28 years old and broke a toe, they foot that bill themselves. If they get MS, that will be covered.

Allow the purchase of health insurance across state lines. Just as we do with auto insurance.

Require Medicaid to cover in-patient treatment of the mentally ill, drug and substance abuse. That would help solve the homeless problem and mass shootings.

See, I am a veritable cornucopia of solutions and wisdom!

Damn you haven't been keep up have you?

Can purchase cat plans now, can purchase across state lines now, auto insurance covers auto accidents up to a certain point PIP and I can go on and on. Why don't you stay on the side lines old man?

Not all states allow catastrophic health insurance.

That's all you have? What is your point about auto insurance? Do you have one?

 

[debbiedowner]

Here are a couple of reasonable solutions.

Create a high risk pool for those with serious pre-existing conditions. Not all pre-existing conditions exempt an individual from purchasing health insurance at a reasonable price.

Eliminate all government-mandated coverage. Allow the consumer to select the coverage that suits their needs best.

Allow the purchase of catastrophic coverage. In other words, if someone is young, healthy and has other priorities, allow them to purchase catastrophic coverage. Coverage that won't pay for any incidentals but if someone is in an automobile accident that would be covered. If they were 28 years old and broke a toe, they foot that bill themselves. If they get MS, that will be covered.

Allow the purchase of health insurance across state lines. Just as we do with auto insurance.

Require Medicaid to cover in-patient treatment of the mentally ill, drug and substance abuse. That would help solve the homeless problem and mass shootings.

See, I am a veritable cornucopia of solutions and wisdom!

Damn you haven't been keep up have you?

Can purchase cat plans now, can purchase across state lines now, auto insurance covers auto accidents up to a certain point PIP and I can go on and on. Why don't you stay on the side lines old man?

Not all states allow catastrophic health insurance.

That's all you have? What is your point about auto insurance? Do you have one?

You don't even understand what you wrote in the post I quoted so there isn't any reason to go any further with your assertions for someone who does not understand the subject.

 

[Oddball]

Considering is hard.

#1316 Winning the messaging war for a just, moral health care system

Bernout pinkos, who live and die by the use of aggressive force, prattling about morality....ROFLMFAO!!

 

[flack]

Your disbelief noted. What's your healthcare plan and how would you pay for it?

1. Keep my job.

2. Pay for my health care.

With Medicare For All you get to change jobs. That's why corporations instituted our employer based "healthcare" insurance scheme to begin with. To introduce artificial competition into the market.. institutionalizing the extraction of rents from illness and the fear losing one's health "coverage." To rip you off while forcing you to "Keep (your) job." And sure, elitist bureaucrats, private and public worked hand in hand, to accomplish that evil. Prior to that one could simply "Pay for (their) healthcare" dealing directly with their actual health care provider (doctor, hospital, etc). Problem remains, what about the too old, young, infirm, disabled, mentally ill,. Die Quickly, right?

Actually companies started offering health benefits because during WWII wages were frozen so they began offering benefits to attract people to work for them.