The War On Poverty: Lost

[PoliticalChic]

Somehow I knew the Nazi's would show up.

Well, in that case, let's certainly put on the very short list of things you know.

That brings the list up to....what...three? four?

You brought up Nazi's in a thread about the War on Poverty. I figured you would have put the blame squarely where it belongs. FDR started all that help the poor stuff.

No, you moron...this is what I brought up: "...secularist moral tradition — one that regards the free consensus of the citizens of a democratic society, rather then the Divine Will, as the source of moral imperatives."

It refers to what guides the consensus.

But you couldn't help but reference it to Nazi's which is not a good example of a democratic society.

1. Why are you so sensitive to references to Nazis?
Too close to bringing up FDR, whose economic policies mirrored the Nazis?
Is that the reason?
Oh...you didn't know that the New Deal was right out of Hitler's economic policies?
Add it to the list.


2. "...Nazi's which is not a good example of a democratic society..."
I learned long ago that you know nothing....and this is merely one more glaring example of same.

a. On March 12, 1938, Hitler’s troops rolled over the border from Germany, into Austria. This was the Anschluss, the annexation of Austria into Greater Germany. Three days later, Hitler entered Vienna, greeted by an enthusiastic crowd of up to one million people. A plebiscite was held in less than a month, and 99.7% of Austrians voted to join the Third Reich.

A prime example of a society exercising democracy, yet making a horrible mistake.

Brings Obama to mind.....

 

[Camp]

Somehow I knew the Nazi's would show up.

Well, in that case, let's certainly put on the very short list of things you know.

That brings the list up to....what...three? four?

You brought up Nazi's in a thread about the War on Poverty. I figured you would have put the blame squarely where it belongs. FDR started all that help the poor stuff.

No, you moron...this is what I brought up: "...secularist moral tradition — one that regards the free consensus of the citizens of a democratic society, rather then the Divine Will, as the source of moral imperatives."

It refers to what guides the consensus.

But you couldn't help but reference it to Nazi's which is not a good example of a democratic society.

1. Why are you so sensitive to references to Nazis?
Too close to bringing up FDR, whose economic policies mirrored the Nazis?
Is that the reason?
Oh...you didn't know that the New Deal was right out of Hitler's economic policies?
Add it to the list.


2. "...Nazi's which is not a good example of a democratic society..."
I learned long ago that you know nothing....and this is merely one more glaring example of same.

a. On March 12, 1938, Hitler’s troops rolled over the border from Germany, into Austria. This was the Anschluss, the annexation of Austria into Greater Germany. Three days later, Hitler entered Vienna, greeted by an enthusiastic crowd of up to one million people. A plebiscite was held in less than a month, and 99.7% of Austrians voted to join the Third Reich.

A prime example of a society exercising democracy, yet making a horrible mistake.

Brings Obama to mind.....

Did you know Hitler declared himself dictator in 1934? Nice attempt to deflect to Austria, but that singular staged vote did not make living under Nazi control anything resembling a democratic state. So, your thread about America's War on Poverty has morphed into defending Nazi Germany under the dictatorship of Hitler as a democratic society. And you call those who challenge your idiot and moronic ideas by calling them names. You're just one big mess, aren't you. It's the weekend, have an adult drink or two.

 

[NYcarbineer]

There is nothing in the Constitution that mandates a specific level of spending for the military, fucktard.

I'm not surprised you don't know that.

I never said there was. What I did say is the military is a delegated power and what you support isn't. I'm not surprised some retarded bleeding heart didn't know that.

If it wasn't it would have been challenged in court and ruled unconstitutional. Do you have any idea how our government works?

I also have an idea about what is and what isn't in the Constitution. You do not. You simply think one person owes another person something in life. Consider yourself lucky you don't rely on someone like me to help you. I'd look, laugh, walk right over you, and watch to do without for one reason and one reason only. You think it's owed.

The People decide. The People have decided. When you get enough People to support your extremist views, then you can decide.

THAT is how the government works.

This outlook is exactly what one would expect of you.


" Princeton philosopher Richard Rorty noted the change in authorship of morality: “The West has cobbled together, in the course of the last two hundred years, a specifically secularist moral tradition — one that regards the free consensus of the citizens of a democratic society, rather then the Divine Will, as the source of moral imperatives.” Last Words from Richard Rorty The Progressive

While Rorty considered this a great advance, consider how this fits the actions of Nazi Germany, in tune with its free consensus.

So our Constitution is the equivalent of Nazism.

awesome

 

[NYcarbineer]

Maybe the author of this thread should explain to her readers that although she insists Medicaid is a failure,

she doesn't want to get rid of it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Well, in that case, let's certainly put on the very short list of things you know.

That brings the list up to....what...three? four?

You brought up Nazi's in a thread about the War on Poverty. I figured you would have put the blame squarely where it belongs. FDR started all that help the poor stuff.

No, you moron...this is what I brought up: "...secularist moral tradition — one that regards the free consensus of the citizens of a democratic society, rather then the Divine Will, as the source of moral imperatives."

It refers to what guides the consensus.

But you couldn't help but reference it to Nazi's which is not a good example of a democratic society.

1. Why are you so sensitive to references to Nazis?
Too close to bringing up FDR, whose economic policies mirrored the Nazis?
Is that the reason?
Oh...you didn't know that the New Deal was right out of Hitler's economic policies?
Add it to the list.


2. "...Nazi's which is not a good example of a democratic society..."
I learned long ago that you know nothing....and this is merely one more glaring example of same.

a. On March 12, 1938, Hitler’s troops rolled over the border from Germany, into Austria. This was the Anschluss, the annexation of Austria into Greater Germany. Three days later, Hitler entered Vienna, greeted by an enthusiastic crowd of up to one million people. A plebiscite was held in less than a month, and 99.7% of Austrians voted to join the Third Reich.

A prime example of a society exercising democracy, yet making a horrible mistake.

Brings Obama to mind.....

Did you know Hitler declared himself dictator in 1934? Nice attempt to deflect to Austria, but that singular staged vote did not make living under Nazi control anything resembling a democratic state. So, your thread about America's War on Poverty has morphed into defending Nazi Germany under the dictatorship of Hitler as a democratic society. And you call those who challenge your idiot and moronic ideas by calling them names. You're just one big mess, aren't you. It's the weekend, have an adult drink or two.

Did you just ignore the fact that I destroyed your post?



"....your thread about America's War on Poverty has morphed ..."

Nothing 'morphed,' you driveling oaf.

I answer posts as I see fit.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I never said there was. What I did say is the military is a delegated power and what you support isn't. I'm not surprised some retarded bleeding heart didn't know that.

If it wasn't it would have been challenged in court and ruled unconstitutional. Do you have any idea how our government works?

I also have an idea about what is and what isn't in the Constitution. You do not. You simply think one person owes another person something in life. Consider yourself lucky you don't rely on someone like me to help you. I'd look, laugh, walk right over you, and watch to do without for one reason and one reason only. You think it's owed.

The People decide. The People have decided. When you get enough People to support your extremist views, then you can decide.

THAT is how the government works.

This outlook is exactly what one would expect of you.


" Princeton philosopher Richard Rorty noted the change in authorship of morality: “The West has cobbled together, in the course of the last two hundred years, a specifically secularist moral tradition — one that regards the free consensus of the citizens of a democratic society, rather then the Divine Will, as the source of moral imperatives.” Last Words from Richard Rorty The Progressive

While Rorty considered this a great advance, consider how this fits the actions of Nazi Germany, in tune with its free consensus.

So our Constitution is the equivalent of Nazism.

awesome

Glad to see you admit your perspective.

 

[PoliticalChic]

8. "[Lyndon] Johnson’s aim was not to prop up living standards by making more and more people dependent on an ever larger welfare state....[he] sought to increase self-sufficiency, the ability of a family to support itself out of poverty without dependence on welfare aid. Johnson asserted that the War on Poverty would actually shrink the welfare rolls and transform the poor from “taxeaters” into “taxpayers.”


9. The welfare state has undermined self-sufficiency by discouraging work and penalizing marriage. When the War on Poverty began seven percent of children were born outside marriage. Today, 42 percent of children are. By eroding marriage, the welfare state has made many Americans less capable of self-support than they were when the War on Poverty began.

a. President Obama plans to spend $13 trillion dollars on means-tested welfare over the next decade. Most of this spending will flow through traditional welfare programs that discourage the keys to self-sufficiency: work and marriage.




10. Welfare should no longer be a one way hand out; able-bodied recipients of cash, food and housing should be required to work or prepare for work as condition of receiving aid. Welfare’s penalties against marriage should be reduced." The War on Poverty Has Been a Colossal Flop

 

[NYcarbineer]

8. "[Lyndon] Johnson’s aim was not to prop up living standards by making more and more people dependent on an ever larger welfare state....[he] sought to increase self-sufficiency, the ability of a family to support itself out of poverty without dependence on welfare aid. Johnson asserted that the War on Poverty would actually shrink the welfare rolls and transform the poor from “taxeaters” into “taxpayers.”


9. The welfare state has undermined self-sufficiency by discouraging work and penalizing marriage. When the War on Poverty began seven percent of children were born outside marriage. Today, 42 percent of children are. By eroding marriage, the welfare state has made many Americans less capable of self-support than they were when the War on Poverty began.

a. President Obama plans to spend $13 trillion dollars on means-tested welfare over the next decade. Most of this spending will flow through traditional welfare programs that discourage the keys to self-sufficiency: work and marriage.




10. Welfare should no longer be a one way hand out; able-bodied recipients of cash, food and housing should be required to work or prepare for work as condition of receiving aid. Welfare’s penalties against marriage should be reduced." The War on Poverty Has Been a Colossal Flop

Remind us why you don't want to abolish Medicaid,

the cornerstone of the war on Poverty...

 

[blackhawk]

There will always be people in poverty we should do what we can to help them get out of it but we must also accept the fact there are some for whatever the reason or reasons will not accept that help or do what is necessary to get themselves out of poverty.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

If it wasn't it would have been challenged in court and ruled unconstitutional. Do you have any idea how our government works?

I also have an idea about what is and what isn't in the Constitution. You do not. You simply think one person owes another person something in life. Consider yourself lucky you don't rely on someone like me to help you. I'd look, laugh, walk right over you, and watch to do without for one reason and one reason only. You think it's owed.

The topic of this thread was made because the War on Poverty is having it's 50 year anniversary. That means that for a half a century the American people have supported it. Republicans and Democrats alike. And BTW, you don't decide what is constitutional and what is not. If you believe in the constitution you would understand that SCOTUS decides that. SCOTUS has routinely ruled the programs that are used to fight poverty are constitutional. 5O years worth of SCOTUS decisions have disagreed with you and your opinions.

Like I said, be lucky your survival doesn't rely on my help. You sound like one that has relied on another person's hard work.

I guess this country will always have two types of people. Those that EARN a living and those that vote for one.

The American people have made the teachings of Christianity, and specifically the the teachings of Jesus in relationship to the poor as a cultural doctrine. It is no longer just a religious attitude and belief. It has transformed to a non religious doctrine practiced by the vast majority of Americans no matter what religious sect they belong to. Your politics and opinions put you outside of American culture. Talking points to disparage American culture are kind of silly and show a rejection of the culture adapted by generations of Americans.

None of Jesus' teachings involves having the government mandate anything related to social programs. My teachings are in line with those of Jesus. He taught to help because you wanted to not because the government told you to. Since you believe mandates are OK, you do not follow the teachings of Jesus and, therefore, are outside theh culture of this country. When you can show me any evidence where Jesus had the government mandate for social welfare programs, do so.

I do not think welfare existed during that period in history.

 

[2aguy]

So long as the global economy is based on capitalism, you're always going to have poverty. It's the inevitible result of capitalist greed.

And if the global economy is ever based on socialism...you will have death camps, gulags and state slavery...I'll stick with the free market...you know...the system that has lifted more people out of poverty than anything before it...

 

[2aguy]

It was never a war to End poverty, it was a war against the black family and the lower class. It was a war to create a permanent, government dependent underclass and it worked well!
Have to give the Dems create for their success in creating inter-generational government dependents

I have to say it was the logical extension of democrat slavery...the old system of slavery had been ended by the republicans at the end of the Civil War...and democrat attempts to keep the newly freed, black slaves under their control was beginning to fail, mainly due to the invention of television, so the new generation of democrats, the gores, the clintons, the kennedys and now the obama's realized that if they used government welfare...they could enslave all of the people...not just one specific color of people...the first step was to get them dependent on the democrats...by creating welfare dependents...once they looked only to government for their means of existence...then the government can control them...

The democrats know one thing very well...how to enslave people...they have been doing it for hundreds of years...

 

[2aguy]

So, your thread about America's War on Poverty has morphed into defending Nazi Germany under the dictatorship of Hitler as a democratic society. And you call those who challenge your idiot and moronic ideas by calling them names. You're just one big mess, aren't you. It's the weekend, have an adult drink or two.

At what point did she defend nazi Germany? Has public education destroyed reading comprehension that much already...?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"The War On Poverty: Lost"

No, the war continues in good faith, however difficult and protracted, and despite the fact that poverty has a very powerful ally: failed conservative dogma.

 

[JoeB131]

What will it take for folks to realize that, just like the title, big government is a loser?

The problem wasn't that the war on poverty was lost.

The problem was that the big corporations that pull your strings destroyed the middle class.

Happy to have straightened that out for you, but you can go home thinking you are superior to those "other minorities".

 

[gipper]

What will it take for folks to realize that, just like the title, big government is a loser?

The problem wasn't that the war on poverty was lost.

The problem was that the big corporations that pull your strings destroyed the middle class.

Happy to have straightened that out for you, but you can go home thinking you are superior to those "other minorities".

The big corps do what they do because the big unlimited government you love, allows it and colludes with them.

Why can't you see that?

 

[Judicial review]

What will it take for folks to realize that, just like the title, big government is a loser?

If you think the war is lost then you must believe that the war must end.

Therefore you must believe that Medicaid, food stamps, housing assistance, EIC, fuel and energy assistance, educational assistance, and all other programs that effectively represent the war on poverty should be ceased.

After that is done, how long before we win the war on poverty, using your plan of no programs for the poor?

Yes.

Yes

It's been "fought" for 50 years and hasn't been defeated. Perhaps a new strategy should be put in place and I have it. If you bleeding hearts think one person deserves what you've earned because you've identified a need, write a check, taken someone grocery shopping, pay their power bill, fund the tuition for their school, and pay the premiums for their healthcare just do it from YOUR own pockets not by reaching into mine.

What's your plan to replace Medicaid?

You mean "improve."

 

[JoeB131]

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The big corps do what they do because the big unlimited government you love, allows it and colludes with them.

Why can't you see that?

Mostly because I'm not a Libertarian Lunatic with a tinfoil hat....

But I'm sure you got that covered.

Now quiet down, the grownups are talking.

 

[gipper]

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The big corps do what they do because the big unlimited government you love, allows it and colludes with them.

Why can't you see that?

Mostly because I'm not a Libertarian Lunatic with a tinfoil hat....

But I'm sure you got that covered.

Now quiet down, the grownups are talking.

typical post from a delusional child.

 

[Conservative65]

I also have an idea about what is and what isn't in the Constitution. You do not. You simply think one person owes another person something in life. Consider yourself lucky you don't rely on someone like me to help you. I'd look, laugh, walk right over you, and watch to do without for one reason and one reason only. You think it's owed.

The topic of this thread was made because the War on Poverty is having it's 50 year anniversary. That means that for a half a century the American people have supported it. Republicans and Democrats alike. And BTW, you don't decide what is constitutional and what is not. If you believe in the constitution you would understand that SCOTUS decides that. SCOTUS has routinely ruled the programs that are used to fight poverty are constitutional. 5O years worth of SCOTUS decisions have disagreed with you and your opinions.

Like I said, be lucky your survival doesn't rely on my help. You sound like one that has relied on another person's hard work.

I guess this country will always have two types of people. Those that EARN a living and those that vote for one.

The American people have made the teachings of Christianity, and specifically the the teachings of Jesus in relationship to the poor as a cultural doctrine. It is no longer just a religious attitude and belief. It has transformed to a non religious doctrine practiced by the vast majority of Americans no matter what religious sect they belong to. Your politics and opinions put you outside of American culture. Talking points to disparage American culture are kind of silly and show a rejection of the culture adapted by generations of Americans.

None of Jesus' teachings involves having the government mandate anything related to social programs. My teachings are in line with those of Jesus. He taught to help because you wanted to not because the government told you to. Since you believe mandates are OK, you do not follow the teachings of Jesus and, therefore, are outside theh culture of this country. When you can show me any evidence where Jesus had the government mandate for social welfare programs, do so.

I do not think welfare existed during that period in history.

Not in the sense or funded in a way that the bleeding heart Liberals of today would want you to believe.