The violence Beck caused

[Truthmatters]

He has talked of poisening Pelosi

 

[California Girl]

He has talked of poisening Pelosi

So? That's it? That's why you accuse him of inciting violence? How many times did he say that?

 

[Baruch Menachem]

From Glenn's web page.

Glenn’s Pledge for the American people, politicians, and media
Thursday, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:48 AM EST

While Americans are grappling to understand the Arizona tragedy, the absolute vacuum of leadership on both sides is staggering.

We live in a country that has been struck by John Hinckley Jr. and Sirhan Sirhan, Lee Harvey Oswald and Mark David Chapman. And one that’s been hit by terrorists like Timothy McVeigh, the DC Sniper John Allen Muhammad, the Fort Hood killer Nidal Hasan, and 19 highjackers all claiming to be freedom fighters. You’d think we’d understand the difference between madmen and terrorists.

All evidence points to the fact that the assailant from this weekend was severely mentally disturbed. His belief system was not rational by any modern political standard. He was an atheist, believed George W. Bush was responsible for 9/11, feared a global currency, cited the Communist Manifesto as one of his favorite books and thought the Mars rover landing was staged. These are not the opinions of a coherent individual.

Far too often, we have seen in our schools and in our post offices, acts of violence from misfits of society. While we can look for the warning signs, these horrific events will always be with every nation.

Though violence is a human problem, every American citizen can make a personal choice today. Do you believe that Americans, from any walk of life, can convince themselves they are freedom fighters and carry out acts of violence? My answer is yes. If you agree then you must take a clear stand.

Turning these horrific events into an opportunity for a political attack is a very childish response to a very grown-up problem. This is not about winning a political blame game. Atheists are not to blame. Those who hate George W. Bush are not to blame. Those who don’t believe in space travel are not to blame. Jared Lee Loughner is to blame. Period.

This tragedy should not be used as an opportunity to try and bend reality to retroactively place a madman on the other side of the aisle. It should be a time to pray for the victims and their families, a time that we can all come together and state that violence is off limits for all sides in a Republic. It’s a time for us to state with a unified passion that we won’t accept anyone who threatens or actually carries out violence.

Denouncing violence from all sides including your own does not make your movement any less just. To quote Martin Luther King:


But there is something that I must say to my people, who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice: In the process of gaining our rightful place, we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred. We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again, we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force.

I challenge all Americans, left or right, regardless if you’re a politician, pundit, painter, priest, parishioner, poet or porn star to agree with all of the following.

I denounce violence, regardless of ideological motivation.
I denounce anyone, from the Left, the Right or middle, who believes physical violence is the answer to whatever they feel is wrong with our country.
I denounce those who wish to tear down our system and rebuild it in their own image, whatever that image may be.
I denounce those from the Left, the Right or middle, who call for riots and violence as an opportunity to bring down and reconstruct our system.
I denounce violent threats and calls for the destruction of our system – regardless of their underlying ideology – whether they come from the Hutaree Militia or Frances Fox Piven.
I hold those responsible for the violence, responsible for the violence. I denounce those who attempt to blame political opponents for the acts of madmen.
I denounce those from the Left, the Right or middle that sees violence as a viable alternative to our long established system of change made within the constraints of our constitutional Republic.
I will stand with anyone willing to sign that pledge. Today I make a personal choice. I urge leaders of both sides and all walks of life to join me as all Americans joined hands on 9.12.2001.

I believe that we must change ourselves to hold on to our republic. That’s why I have been talking about e4. Enlightenment. Education. Empowerment. Entrepreneurship. It’s a personal solution for all of us to become the people we were born to be, not the people we’ve allowed ourselves to become. I have called for a personal revolution; change ourselves in order to change the world. Those who live with honor and are responsible to themselves and their families will be the key to the future of our Republic, not those playing political games.

While everyone seems to be focused on politics, I instead choose to focus on Christina Green, the nine year old victim killed Saturday. Born on 9.11.2001, she is now a victim of another case of horrific violence. I hope we can all remember Christina by acting the way we did when she was one day old: To focus on values and principles, to use common sense and stop playing politics.

 

[Baruch Menachem]

He has talked of poisening Pelosi

When, what date? or dates?

 

[Truthmatters]

What bothers me is to the degree you blame Beck, you excuse Loughner. He made his own decions and did his own thing independtly even if Beck were calling for Jihad against all unbelievers of the Beck Gospel. Which given his usual attitude of comic opera is silly. Beck spends most of his time lampooning self inflated messiahs.

In the course of discussion on all kinds of matters, metaphor and hyperbole are normal. Automatic pistols are not.

The guy didn't read much or listen much to TV or radio. There is no sign he listend to Beck or Schultz or Rhodes or Rush or Levin or Lykis. It was not the public discourse which set him off, but his own demons in his own weak head.

Please refrain from insisting I said something I did not.


I have never said anyone but the gunman did the crime.

I am talking about the responsibility of people with a media voice inflaming the debate with violent twinges.

This needs to stop for the sake of our democracy.

If your arguement is so good you do not need to referance violence to get it acrossed.

Violent rethoric and gun imagery in a poltical debate can imflame metally ill people to do horrible things.

No one is talking abotu prosicuting anyone for violent language.

We are appealling to you intelligence and consience to try and avoid more people being harmed.

it is a civil request.


The reatction from the right to defend this language as needed in our poltical debate leaves me to think the right dosnet truely believe in the validity of their postions value.

If you believe your ideas are so very benificail to this country then let your arguements stand on their own merit.

you dont need the violent referances to win the debate if your arguements are so correct.

 

[boedicca]

TM is a LAIR.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Shoot obama has told people to get in their neighbor's faces
Numerous liberals have said "death to bush"
Conservatives have said some bad stuff about obama

Heck i've seen both liberal and conservative politicians say stuff like "We gotta take my oppononent out"

Stop trying to blame people OTHER THAN THE SHOOTER for what the shooter did.....its obvious, asinine, and transparant why people are doing this. Both sides are being stupid by trying to use this tragedy for their own agendas.

 

[boedicca]

I must note that the destruction of Freedom of Speech advocated by TM is far more of a threat to our society than the random actions of a few insane people.

 

[California Girl]

What bothers me is to the degree you blame Beck, you excuse Loughner. He made his own decions and did his own thing independtly even if Beck were calling for Jihad against all unbelievers of the Beck Gospel. Which given his usual attitude of comic opera is silly. Beck spends most of his time lampooning self inflated messiahs.

In the course of discussion on all kinds of matters, metaphor and hyperbole are normal. Automatic pistols are not.

The guy didn't read much or listen much to TV or radio. There is no sign he listend to Beck or Schultz or Rhodes or Rush or Levin or Lykis. It was not the public discourse which set him off, but his own demons in his own weak head.

Please refrain from insisting I said something I did not.


I have never said anyone but the gunman did the crime.

I am talking about the responsibility of people with a media voice inflaming the debate with violent twinges.

This needs to stop for the sake of our democracy.

If your arguement is so good you do not need to referance violence to get it acrossed.

Violent rethoric and gun imagery in a poltical debate can imflame metally ill people to do horrible things.

No one is talking abotu prosicuting anyone for violent language.

We are appealling to you intelligence and consience to try and avoid more people being harmed.

it is a civil request.


The reatction from the right to defend this language as needed in our poltical debate leaves me to think the right dosnet truely believe in the validity of their postions value.

If you believe your ideas are so very benificail to this country then let your arguements stand on their own merit.

you dont need the violent referances to win the debate if your arguements are so correct.

Here's my problem with your stance. You opened the discussion with 'the violence caused by Beck'. You could have chosen a more intelligent, less accusatory title, but you didn't. And you wiggle out of your responsibility by blaming others. I blame you. You referenced it. You are responsible for backing up the accusation. You cannot. You lack personal responsibility and blame others for your own shortcomings so it is no wonder that you see it acceptable to blame others for the actions of an individual.

 

[Truthmatters]

Glenn Beck Jokes About Putting Poison In Nancy Pelosi's Wine (VIDEO)

Video

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Glenn Beck Jokes About Putting Poison In Nancy Pelosi's Wine (VIDEO)

Video

See where it says "jokes"

Cut it out TM, how would you like it if people said that by posting this thread you are trying to incite people to violence against Glenn Beck?

 

[Truthmatters]

What bothers me is to the degree you blame Beck, you excuse Loughner. He made his own decions and did his own thing independtly even if Beck were calling for Jihad against all unbelievers of the Beck Gospel. Which given his usual attitude of comic opera is silly. Beck spends most of his time lampooning self inflated messiahs.

In the course of discussion on all kinds of matters, metaphor and hyperbole are normal. Automatic pistols are not.

The guy didn't read much or listen much to TV or radio. There is no sign he listend to Beck or Schultz or Rhodes or Rush or Levin or Lykis. It was not the public discourse which set him off, but his own demons in his own weak head.

Please refrain from insisting I said something I did not.


I have never said anyone but the gunman did the crime.

I am talking about the responsibility of people with a media voice inflaming the debate with violent twinges.

This needs to stop for the sake of our democracy.

If your arguement is so good you do not need to referance violence to get it acrossed.

Violent rethoric and gun imagery in a poltical debate can imflame metally ill people to do horrible things.

No one is talking abotu prosicuting anyone for violent language.

We are appealling to you intelligence and consience to try and avoid more people being harmed.

it is a civil request.


The reatction from the right to defend this language as needed in our poltical debate leaves me to think the right dosnet truely believe in the validity of their postions value.

If you believe your ideas are so very benificail to this country then let your arguements stand on their own merit.

you dont need the violent referances to win the debate if your arguements are so correct.

Here's my problem with your stance. You opened the discussion with 'the violence caused by Beck'. You could have chosen a more intelligent, less accusatory title, but you didn't. And you wiggle out of your responsibility by blaming others. I blame you. You referenced it. You are responsible for backing up the accusation. You cannot. You lack personal responsibility and blame others for your own shortcomings so it is no wonder that you see it acceptable to blame others for the actions of an individual.

Cali what was the titile of the article I posted?

There is tape of the gunman (who luckily was unable to kill the people he aimed to kill) talking of how he got his information from Beck.

 

[Truthmatters]

Glenn Beck Jokes About Putting Poison In Nancy Pelosi's Wine (VIDEO)

Video

See where it says "jokes"

Cut it out TM, how would you like it if people said that by posting this thread you are trying to incite people to violence against Glenn Beck?

Did he or did he not talk of poisening Pelosi like I said?

 

[bornright]

Gunman says he watched Beck and read right-wing sites | The Upshot Yahoo! News


Before Byron Williams engaged in a shootout with California Highway Patrol officers in July, he watched Fox News' Glenn Beck, listened to conservative radio host Michael Savage, and got news and information from Alex Jones' InfoWars.com and several right-wing fringe websites.

MSNBC caused an individual to commit a burglary in a small town near me. He admitted to watching MSNBC daily.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Glenn Beck Jokes About Putting Poison In Nancy Pelosi's Wine (VIDEO)

Video

See where it says "jokes"

Cut it out TM, how would you like it if people said that by posting this thread you are trying to incite people to violence against Glenn Beck?

Did he did he not talk of poisening Pelosi like I said?

See your inciting people to violence against beck now.....my claim is just as valid as the claim the huff post is trying to make (which isn't valid at all)

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJr4mCN24vY[/ame]

A little longer version.....is he calling for the death of pelosi or making a joke....i mean is this all you have is him saying "i put pois..." C'mon you can do better and be more truthful.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

Violent Rhetoric:

"They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun”
“Get in their Faces!”
“I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
“Hit Back Twice As Hard”
“We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick."
"Their victory would mean hand to hand combat.”...
“It’s time to Fight for it.”
“Punish your enemies....”
“I’m itching for a fight.”

Who spewed this violent rhetoric? Limbaugh? Hannity? Coulter? Beck? No...

Barack Obama, the President of the United States.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Violent Rhetoric:

"They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun”
“Get in their Faces!”
“I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
“Hit Back Twice As Hard”
“We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick."
"Their victory would mean hand to hand combat.”...
“It’s time to Fight for it.”
“Punish your enemies....”
“I’m itching for a fight.”

Who spewed this violent rhetoric? Limbaugh? Hannity? Coulter? Beck? No...

Barack Obama, the President of the United States.

Oh so its Obama's fault that dude shot the congresswoman....oh I get it now thanks

 

[Baruch Menachem]

What bothers me is to the degree you blame Beck, you excuse Loughner. He made his own decions and did his own thing independtly even if Beck were calling for Jihad against all unbelievers of the Beck Gospel. Which given his usual attitude of comic opera is silly. Beck spends most of his time lampooning self inflated messiahs.

In the course of discussion on all kinds of matters, metaphor and hyperbole are normal. Automatic pistols are not.

The guy didn't read much or listen much to TV or radio. There is no sign he listend to Beck or Schultz or Rhodes or Rush or Levin or Lykis. It was not the public discourse which set him off, but his own demons in his own weak head.

Please refrain from insisting I said something I did not.


I have never said anyone but the gunman did the crime.

I am talking about the responsibility of people with a media voice inflaming the debate with violent twinges.

This needs to stop for the sake of our democracy.

If your arguement is so good you do not need to referance violence to get it acrossed.

Violent rethoric and gun imagery in a poltical debate can imflame metally ill people to do horrible things.

No one is talking abotu prosicuting anyone for violent language.

We are appealling to you intelligence and consience to try and avoid more people being harmed.

it is a civil request.


The reatction from the right to defend this language as needed in our poltical debate leaves me to think the right dosnet truely believe in the validity of their postions value.

If you believe your ideas are so very benificail to this country then let your arguements stand on their own merit.

you dont need the violent referances to win the debate if your arguements are so correct.

YOur thread title blames Beck for the tragedy. How else am I supposed to read this? If Beck is responsible, then Loughner is not. To the degree you blame one you shift it from the other.

I like metaphor and hyperbole. They make politics exciting. Dry discourse on marginal revenue curves are a bit of bore, but a vivid word picture makes the discussion worth having.

It is not the words of a semi reformed drunk that killed folks. It was the deliberate act of an apolitical psycho.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

Violent Rhetoric:

"They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun”
“Get in their Faces!”
“I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
“Hit Back Twice As Hard”
“We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick."
"Their victory would mean hand to hand combat.”...
“It’s time to Fight for it.”
“Punish your enemies....”
“I’m itching for a fight.”

Who spewed this violent rhetoric? Limbaugh? Hannity? Coulter? Beck? No...

Barack Obama, the President of the United States.

Oh so its Obama's fault that dude shot the congresswoman....oh I get it now thanks

I'll wait while you search and find me saying that anywhere.

This is merely examples of violent rhetoric. Nothing asserted or read into it at all. That you cannot handle it, is not surprising.

 

[amrchaos]

(Sarcasm)

Let us not talk about all the Child Abusers the movie channel created!!

Cable TV is bad, I tell you!! Just bad!! But all these Right Wingers want to keep their Movies and their Choice and their Freedom of speech!! It is a scandal, I say! ....and they don't want to give Eric Spitzer a chance!!