Next I blame the top military leadership, specifically General Westmoreland, for his out of touch strategy to win the war. ....
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Do you have any idea how many Vietnamese, Cambodian, and Laotian civilians were killed by US forces and their allies?In a nutshell, the war was a terrible failure caused entirely by a corrupt political class. Of which, unfortunately, no one paid a price. As in all of America’s wars, the criminals who cause it seldom suffer any consequences, but the little people sure pay a high price.There is a lot fake news about the war. Most people only know what Hollywood has told them.
The PBS series was terrible.
Do you lay any fault on the French?
Of the Vietnamese governments themselves?
The war was caused by the Communists and fought by the Communists. They were brutal assholes that killed hundred of thousands of innocent Vietnamese.
The VC and and the NVA were the bad guys in that conflict. They were backed by the Soviets and the Chinese and they were brutal.
Yes I do.
I also know from first hand experience how vicious murderers the Communists were.
Do you have any idea how many Vietnamese, Cambodian, and Laotian civilians were killed by US forces and their allies?In a nutshell, the war was a terrible failure caused entirely by a corrupt political class. Of which, unfortunately, no one paid a price. As in all of America’s wars, the criminals who cause it seldom suffer any consequences, but the little people sure pay a high price.
Do you lay any fault on the French?
Of the Vietnamese governments themselves?
The war was caused by the Communists and fought by the Communists. They were brutal assholes that killed hundred of thousands of innocent Vietnamese.
The VC and and the NVA were the bad guys in that conflict. They were backed by the Soviets and the Chinese and they were brutal.
Yes I do.
I also know from first hand experience how vicious murderers the Communists were.
That brutality was referred to. When they ate the Camp Commander's cat; and got found out.
Do you have any idea how many Vietnamese, Cambodian, and Laotian civilians were killed by US forces and their allies?Do you lay any fault on the French?
Of the Vietnamese governments themselves?
The war was caused by the Communists and fought by the Communists. They were brutal assholes that killed hundred of thousands of innocent Vietnamese.
The VC and and the NVA were the bad guys in that conflict. They were backed by the Soviets and the Chinese and they were brutal.
Yes I do.
I also know from first hand experience how vicious murderers the Communists were.
That brutality was referred to. When they ate the Camp Commander's cat; and got found out.
The NVA and VC were real assholes that had no problem with using the Vietnamese people as tools, shields, cannon fodder or hostages. They intimidated the people and taxed them and brutalized them and were pretty much scumbags. Not much different than Communists elsewhere in the world.
In the fall of 1968 I was on a little mission northwest of Saigon. We were working the 1st Infantry Division. We had a Vietnamese woman come up to us crying and screaming. She wanted us to go with her. She took us too a church. It was not only a church but an orphanage. It was run by Catholic nuns. Most of the children there were war orphans. The facility was supported by mostly American donations. The night before the VC had gone in and killed every child and every nun in the facility. The graffiti that the assholes left behind was a warning to not collaborate with the Americans.
Too late for the blame game.
I'm taken with the notion of fighting the ghost in the forest.[/QUOTE]
The Pentagon and even West Point have classes where they analyze and critique previous wars to help future military officers avoid the mistakes of the past.
I've heard you mention ghosts in the forrest twice in this thread. The VC and the NVA weren't ghosts, but were a very capable well trained enemy; and the land was mainly composed of rice paddy's and jungles. ...
The Pentagon and even West Point have classes where they analyze and critique previous wars to help future military officers avoid the mistakes of the past.Too late for the blame game.
I'm taken with the notion of fighting the ghost in the forest.
I'm watching it on PBS.
I'd like to talk about it. With someone.
You ask for veterans opinions.Must you?
The Pentagon and even West Point have classes where they analyze and critique previous wars to help future military officers avoid the mistakes of the past.Too late for the blame game.
I'm taken with the notion of fighting the ghost in the forest.
I've heard you mention ghosts in the forrest twice in this thread. The VC and the NVA weren't ghosts, but were a very capable well trained enemy; and the land was mainly composed of rice paddy's and jungles. ...
I might add that I never in all the times I went from one end of this county to the other was I ever disrespected while I was in uniform.
The Pentagon and even West Point have classes where they analyze and critique previous wars to help future military officers avoid the mistakes of the past.Too late for the blame game.
I'm taken with the notion of fighting the ghost in the forest.
I've heard you mention ghosts in the forrest twice in this thread. The VC and the NVA weren't ghosts, but were a very capable well trained enemy; and the land was mainly composed of rice paddy's and jungles. ...
You have a very nasty condescending attitude. ...That phrase was mentioned by an ex soldier who had actually participated in that war. It summed up, for me, the impossibility of fighting an enemy you couldn't recognise or identify. The kind that embeddied itself within communities of men women and children.
Similar to certain practices of today. But we won't go there. It might start you off.
You have a very nasty condescending attitude. ...That phrase was mentioned by an ex soldier who had actually participated in that war. It summed up, for me, the impossibility of fighting an enemy you couldn't recognise or identify. The kind that embeddied itself within communities of men women and children.
Similar to certain practices of today. But we won't go there. It might start you off.
The VC were your typical guerrilla fighters who could easily blend in with the surrounding civilian population.
Whereas, the NVA were highly trained soldiers who wore military uniforms. ...
You have a very nasty condescending attitude. ...That phrase was mentioned by an ex soldier who had actually participated in that war. It summed up, for me, the impossibility of fighting an enemy you couldn't recognise or identify. The kind that embeddied itself within communities of men women and children.
Similar to certain practices of today. But we won't go there. It might start you off.
The VC were your typical guerrilla fighters who could easily blend in with the surrounding civilian population.
Whereas, the NVA were highly trained soldiers who wore military uniforms. ...
I haven't seen anyone here who fits that label. ....Don't you criticise your cultural superiors.
From what I've observed reading your posts.You think I don't know that?