The Ultimate Goal of Democrats is finally being realized!

[Harpy Eagle]

Sure shit the bed under Obama, eh?

It did go down, whether that is good or bad is open for discussion. What is the "optimum" LFPR? Does it really need to be pushing 70%

 

[Couchpotato]

I do not watch TV except for a few select shows. Never TV news.

What tells me what I know is data....

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Does this graph include agriculture? We had a much greater percentage of the population working in ag in the past.

 

[Ordinary Guy]

Those rich folks want to recoup their losses by imposing austerities on their workers, demanding more labor for inadequate wages in a country where the cost of living is through the roof. My maternal grandfather arrived here with my grandmother and mother in 1961 from Cuba, with a few pennies in his pocket, and four years later after working a blue-collar job in a boat factory in Miami, Florida, he bought his house cash. My grandmother was a homemaker, supported by her husband, raising two children (my uncle was born in Miami). Those days in America, which by the looks of your profile picture, was the America you were born and raised in, are gone, thanks to right-wing, supply-side economics. The trickle-down doesn't trickle.

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The Trickle Down Doesn't Trickle.​

Word to the clueless, with out a faucet at the top, there is no trickle. Companies will not reinvest without returns. Stupid fucking liberals think money grows on trees, it doesn't. Unions think money magically appears. I just paid cash for a new house so I don't agree with the premise of your statement.

 

[Red Front]

Word to the clueless, with out a faucet at the top, there is no trickle. Companies will not reinvest with returns. Stupid fucking liberals think money grows on trees, it doesn't. Unions think money magically appears. I just paid cash for a new house so I don't agree with the premise of your statement.

You didn't buy that working a blue-collar job, after four years of arriving in this country with a few pennies in your pocket. That was possible when you were a young man, but not anymore.

Money is created by the government and its creation is dependent upon production. Production doesn't rely on capitalists or the rich, it relies on those who are willing to pull up their sleeves and go to work. If workers today decide to start a labor-owned cooperative, the banks and even the SBA i.e. Small Business Administration, won't finance it, even though it's proven already, that worker-owned and run enterprises are more competitive than privately owned ones. They require fewer profits to survive and compete, if any profits at all, while creating good-paying jobs with plenty of benefits.

The right-wing rhetoric against labor unions, attempting to prevent workers from organizing themselves to defend and advance their collective, mutual interests, was successful in the past, especially in the past forty years since the "trickle down" became the SOP, but the younger generation isn't buying it and good for them.

 

[Ordinary Guy]

You didn't buy that working a blue-collar job, after four years of arriving in this country with a few pennies in your pocket. That was possible when you were a young man, but not anymore.

Money is created by the government and its creation is dependent upon production. Production doesn't rely on capitalists or the rich, it relies on those who are willing to pull up their sleeves and go to work. If workers today decide to start a labor-owned cooperative, the banks and even the SBA i.e. Small Business Administration, won't finance it, even though it's proven already, that worker-owned and run enterprises are more competitive than privately owned ones. They require fewer profits to survive and compete, if any profits at all, while creating good-paying jobs with plenty of benefits.

The right-wing rhetoric against labor unions, attempting to prevent workers from organizing themselves to defend and advance their collective, mutual interests, was successful in the past, especially in the past forty years since the "trickle down" became the SOP, but the younger generation isn't buying it and good for them.

only weak minded and lazy people need unions, if everyone was paid on performance or contribution to the P&L all manufacturing and services companies would be stronger. Why do you think state and federal government drags at everything they do? fucking unions

 

[Red Front]

only weak minded and lazy people need unions, if everyone was paid on performance or contribution to the P&L all manufacturing and services companies would be stronger. Why do you think state and federal government drags at everything they do? fucking unions

Only greedy, lazy rich people hate labour unions, because they want to leverage their money and power to negotiate terms of employment that serve their personal interests at the expense of their workers. The wealthy employer/exploiter wants to dictate the terms of employment with their employees/exploitees without the hindrance of having to negotiate with the working class on an equal footing. Even Adam Smith the father of capitalism admits in his work, "The Wealth Of Nations":

" What are the common wages of labour, depends everywhere upon the contract usually made between those two parties, whose interests are by no means the same. The workmen desire to get as much, the masters to give as little as possible. The former are disposed to combine in order to raise, the latter in order to lower the wages of labour. " (Book I, Chapter VIII)

Adam Smith, the father of capitalism, understood that the capitalists are "masters" with their own set of financial interests, that aren't necessarily compatible with that of their workers. Mr Smith goes on to say:

" It is not, however, difficult to foresee which of the two parties must, upon all ordinary occasions, have the advantage in the dispute, and force the other into compliance with their terms. The masters, being fewer in number, can combine much more easily; and the law, besides, authorises, or at least does not prohibit their combinations, while it prohibits those of the workmen.

The masters can unionize or "combine", organize themselves into "citizens united", and other super PACs and chambers of commerce, business-oriented NGOs, associations, organizations, and guilds. etc, to advance their class interests, while workers can't because they don't have the financial and government backing as the masters do. The government is the power of the people, hence the masters do everything they can to control the government and demonize the working class that tries to defend its own interests, pretending that workers that want to organize are lazy or ingrates. etc. It's a really old "mind-fuck" game played by the masters.

The masters/big money capitalists are experts at brainwashing working class people like you "ordinary guy". A working-class person who has been indoctrinated and conditioned to vote against his own interests as a working-class person. You're probably retired, but you're just an ordinary, average Joe American and yet you defend your masters contrary to your own interests. You talk about being "weak-minded", you should look in the mirror.

You want the "masters" to dictate their terms of employment, but no it's the working class that should do that. The working class dictates and rules. The dictatorship of the working class, the vast majority of people in America who work for a living. Lazy rich parasites, relying on the sweat and labor of others have no moral, rational grounds to expect workers to sympathize with their self-serving aspirations.

 

[Ordinary Guy]

Only greedy, lazy rich people hate labour unions, because they want to leverage their money and power to negotiate terms of employment that serve their personal interests at the expense of their workers. The wealthy employer/exploiter wants to dictate the terms of employment with their employees/exploitees without the hindrance of having to negotiate with the working class on an equal footing. Even Adam Smith the father of capitalism admits in his work, "The Wealth Of Nations":

" What are the common wages of labour, depends everywhere upon the contract usually made between those two parties, whose interests are by no means the same. The workmen desire to get as much, the masters to give as little as possible. The former are disposed to combine in order to raise, the latter in order to lower the wages of labour. " (Book I, Chapter VIII)

Adam Smith, the father of capitalism, understood that the capitalists are "masters" with their own set of financial interests, that aren't necessarily compatible with that of their workers. Mr Smith goes on to say:

" It is not, however, difficult to foresee which of the two parties must, upon all ordinary occasions, have the advantage in the dispute, and force the other into compliance with their terms. The masters, being fewer in number, can combine much more easily; and the law, besides, authorises, or at least does not prohibit their combinations, while it prohibits those of the workmen.

The masters can unionize or "combine", organize themselves into "citizens united", and other super PACs and chambers of commerce, business-oriented NGOs, associations, organizations, and guilds. etc, to advance their class interests, while workers can't because they don't have the financial and government backing as the masters do. The government is the power of the people, hence the masters do everything they can to control the government and demonize the working class that tries to defend its own interests, pretending that workers that want to organize are lazy or ingrates. etc. It's a really old "mind-fuck" game played by the masters.

The masters/big money capitalists are experts at brainwashing working class people like you "ordinary guy". A working-class person who has been indoctrinated and conditioned to vote against his own interests as a working-class person. You're probably retired, but you're just an ordinary, average Joe American and yet you defend your masters contrary to your own interests. You talk about being "weak-minded", you should look in the mirror.

You want the "masters" to dictate their terms of employment, but no it's the working class that should do that. The working class dictates and rules. The dictatorship of the working class, the vast majority of people in America who work for a living. Lazy rich parasites, relying on the sweat and labor of others have no moral, rational grounds to expect workers to sympathize with their self-serving aspirations.

I hate unions because they bleed productivity. All one has to do is look at Tire Manufacturing in 70s and 80s and look at it now. Goodyear and Continental have closed multiple plants due to waste and out of spec production due to unions. Again unless a person is weak minded or lazy, he/she has no need for a union

 

[Red Front]

I hate unions because they bleed productivity. All one has to do is look at Tire Manufacturing in 70s and 80s and look at it now. Goodyear and Continental have closed multiple plants due to waste and out of spec production due to unions. Again unless a person is weak minded or lazy, he/she has no need for a union

Productivity or profitability? Much of what you're complaining about is due to the weak-minded, lazy, and greedy parasites that own those companies, not labor unions. All of those companies should be owned collectively by the workers who work for them but unfortunately, since our government and banks are run by capitalists, it's extremely difficult for workers to launch worker-owned cooperatives. Even the SBA, the Small Business Administration, won't fund them, due to political and philosophical reasons.

 

[Death-Ninja]

I retired at 58. I suppose that can still be considered a prime working age. It's Democrats fault I did that and I'm not interested in going back to work?

Let's also note, it's been well documented that Maria was one of those willing to say anything to keep ratings up.

See the above, they are stupid on galactic scale, its anecdotal assertion, utterly ludicrous! That type of magical thinking is synonymous with mental illness, and delusion, "I did this, thus everyone, or most everyone does this!"

 

[Red Front]

See the above, they are stupid on galactic scale, its anecdotal assertion, utterly ludicrous! That type of magical thinking is synonymous with mental illness, and delusion, "I did this, thus everyone, or most everyone does this!"

If we're going to have a society that functions, then we have to develop some empathy, not just for the rich and powerful, but for the average Joe, who wakes up in the morning and goes to work, to survive. We're living in a world, in a universe, that is indifferent to our needs and wants to kill us. It behooves us to have a little bit more consideration towards one another and organize society in such a way that everyone can survive. Have a job, food, and a roof over their heads. If not then it's every man for himself, dog-eat-dog world.

 

[Ordinary Guy]

Productivity or profitability? Much of what you're complaining about is due to the weak-minded, lazy, and greedy parasites that own those companies, not labor unions. All of those companies should be owned collectively by the workers who work for them but unfortunately, since our government and banks are run by capitalists, it's extremely difficult for workers to launch worker-owned cooperatives. Even the SBA, the Small Business Administration, won't fund them, due to political and philosophical reasons.

LOL all plants close with Union leadership and ownership. The Goodyear plants that aren't union are still open, making money and the their workers make high wages with benefits because it is a reward instead of extortion by a greedy lazy union

 

[Ordinary Guy]

See the above, they are stupid on galactic scale, its anecdotal assertion, utterly ludicrous! That type of magical thinking is synonymous with mental illness, and delusion, "I did this, thus everyone, or most everyone does this!"

So you don't think your personal decisions have anything to do with road you are on in life?

 

[Red Front]

LOL all plants close with Union leadership and ownership. The Goodyear plants that aren't union are still open, making money and the their workers make high wages with benefits because it is a reward instead of extortion by a greedy lazy union

Goodyear isn't the only company that exists and claiming that Goodyear plants closed because the workers were unionized is irrelevant to the question of whether workers should unionize. Companies close for many reasons, not just unions, and when the owners of a company close factories because of unions, that wasn't necessarily the union's fault. The greedy, lazy rich leeches and parasites didn't want to keep that factory open, even if they could, because if the workers in that factory are earning more than in the factories that don't have union workers, that will motivate the non-union labor to unionize.

Your point is moot. Workers should have the right to unionize to negotiate their terms of employment with wealthy, powerful employers with the leverage and power unions provide. On average union workers make much more than non-union workers.

 

[BothWings]

It's the New World Order globalist society. The Democratic party is just the mechanism by which they get things done in the United States, take us over, pull strings, fuck things up, etc.

 

[Death-Ninja]

So you don't think your personal decisions have anything to do with road you are on in life?

Hey moron, word you might investigate, "anecdotal!"

 

[beagle9]

Like Obama, Biden's words were hollow. Nothing of major has changed today at $67 than when it was at $ 127 just a short while ago.

The arguments were that it went to near $130 because Biden was president and the war in Ukraine. Biden is still president and the war rages on. Oil is now $67.

Over 3.00 dollar's at the pump in the south, south east and above in which are as listed up and down the east coast, but as you get farther north, and more towards the upper center, and then out to the south west it gets way higher on the average than that. $67 per barrel eh ? Ok then what should the blanket average in the country be, otherwise with all things considered ? Do we have the price of oil under Biden, any better under control than what we had under Trump ??

 

[beagle9]

LOL all plants close with Union leadership and ownership. The Goodyear plants that aren't union are still open, making money and the their workers make high wages with benefits because it is a reward instead of extortion by a greedy lazy union

Unions serve or rather were there to serve their purposes in the past against greed and corruption at ownership or management level's... This was it's charter or reason for it's creation, otherwise to keep a check on the member's at the management/ownership level's in order to disrupt the corrupt brotherhoods if are created, and are geared only to serve their bottom lines.

Sadly these exploitative acts are done off of the blood sweat and tears of the hardworking American employee's, and the union's are suppose to keep proper balance between it all.

Not sure how all that has been going in these latter year's, so it is out of my lane to comment on what the roll of the union is anymore, otherwise if it has abandoned it's original charter or maybe not.

 

[pknopp]

Over 3.00 dollar's at the pump in the south, south east and above in which are as listed up and down the east coast, but as you get farther north, and more towards the upper center, and then out to the south west it gets way higher on the average than that. $67 per barrel eh ? Ok then what should the blanket average in the country be, otherwise with all things considered ? Do we have the price of oil under Biden, any better under control than what we had under Trump ??

Absolutely not. The president controls little. It's all up to the irrational actions of the markets.

 

[Stryder50]

Productivity or profitability? Much of what you're complaining about is due to the weak-minded, lazy, and greedy parasites that own those companies, not labor unions. All of those companies should be owned collectively by the workers who work for them but unfortunately, since our government and banks are run by capitalists, it's extremely difficult for workers to launch worker-owned cooperatives. Even the SBA, the Small Business Administration, won't fund them, due to political and philosophical reasons.

You appear to be clueless on a number of aspects here.
For one, evidently you don't know of or anyone involved in owing and operating a small business. Many current large businesses and corporations started as small businesses. But when it is the beginning, the owners starting out often sink their savings, and a seconds mortgage on the home, and maybe even some borrowed money from friends and family with no guarantee that they will succeed. Their taking a risk and a chance and figures I've suggest that about 4 out of 5 will fail within five years, usually three years. Not only have they risked much of what they own and can borrow, but they will put in 60-80 hours or more a week to try and make it work out. They are not weak-minded, lazy, or greedy parasites, especially since they often provide jobs and sometimes in the early days their employees might get a bigger paycheck than they do.

People like YOU are the ones whom are weak-minded, lazy, and greedy parasites whom expect to get something taken from others for the nothing that you provide.

Another hard fact is that most of those "workers" wouldn't know how to run the company with efficient productivity to be profitable, which is why they are hired rather than in business for themselves. Speaking of profits, if you are invested in a pension, IRA, or 401K those funds are invested in companies which you want to hope are profitable and will grow your investment(savings), otherwise you are throwing your money away.

But there are worker owned companies and here's a classic and current example;
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WinCo Foods, Inc. (a portmanteau of The Winning Company) is a privately held, majority employee-owned[5][6][7] American supermarket chain based in Boise, Idaho, with retail stores in Arizona, California, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, Oklahoma, Oregon, Texas,[8] Utah, and Washington. It was founded in 1967 as a no-frills warehouse-style store with low prices. The stores feature extensive bulk food sections.
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The company, originally called "Waremart", was founded in Boise, Idaho, in 1967 by Ralph Ward and Bud Williams as a no-frills, warehouse-style grocery store focusing on low prices.[7][13] In 1985, Waremart employees established an employee stock ownership plan and purchased a majority stake of Waremart from the Ward family, making the company employee-owned.[7][13]
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WinCo Foods - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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BTW, that Wiki is a bit dated, they have many more stores. Including one here in Bellingham, Washington, opened a few years ago.

https://www.wincofoods.com/

 

[Stryder50]

Goodyear isn't the only company that exists and claiming that Goodyear plants closed because the workers were unionized is irrelevant to the question of whether workers should unionize. Companies close for many reasons, not just unions, and when the owners of a company close factories because of unions, that wasn't necessarily the union's fault. The greedy, lazy rich leeches and parasites didn't want to keep that factory open, even if they could, because if the workers in that factory are earning more than in the factories that don't have union workers, that will motivate the non-union labor to unionize.

Your point is moot. Workers should have the right to unionize to negotiate their terms of employment with wealthy, powerful employers with the leverage and power unions provide. On average union workers make much more than non-union workers.

It's fairly clear you don't understand accounting, or what a ledger~Profit versus loss balance sheet is. Also clear you've never owned or operated a business. Labor costs are part of the overall expenses and overhead, that total to the cost of a business/company good or services it has to market. If it can sell those good/services for more than costs, it might make enough profit to stay in business. If it's competition can sell for less that it can, it may loss business ~ market share and might not bring in enough revenue (sales=income) to cover costs and that's when you might have to start laying off workers and reducing your market offerings to get past being in debt and losing money, which can quickly lead to debt if your reserves are short, and then you can't pay the rent, bills or your workers and you are out of business.

Of course if you are the government, you don't have to worry about covering costs and being profitable to make ends meet. You can squeeze more out of taxpayers or print more money to pay your "costs" and pass the deficits and debts onto the next administration the voters elect and onto future taxpayers.

I've worked places where the union workers had no grasp of basic economics and profit versus loss, got unrealistic pay and benefit increases and basically had the union help then out of jobs and bankrupt their employer/business.

The last union shop I worked in was a classic other example of union greed where the employees OF the union got their pay and benefits at the costs to their membership. But when you have a local of a union that has say 300 employees of various shops under several contracts that it "represents", but barely 20-30 show up for the monthly meetings to vote on "issues", "policies" and "agendas",, it's very easy for the majority of the members to get screwed by their union because they didn't particpate in the "democracy" of how the union is run.

Here's another real world clue for clueless you. If you own a business and hire help(employees) you pay only what you need to versus what it will cost to replace them. Why pay some one $20 an hour if you can get the same or better job/work from someone else for $17 an hour ???

When you go to the store and buy something for $5, do you look at the cashier and say that price is way too cheap, here, take $7 for it ???