The tits and tats of witnesses, this includes Hunter

[Slade3200]

In a court of law I agree, in the court of public opinion I think that point gets lost and I don’t think it keeps the Reps from steam rolling the attacks on Biden

The point will then be made that the Republicans will be doing exactly what the president is accused of doing. Smearing his political opponent with the result of gaining advantage without any evidence of corruption whatsoever.

Public opinion will not favor that play.

Dems won’t favor that play, I agree there, but republicans will favor it, which is why Biden will get called as a witness and his associations will be exploited.

Great. So when nothing nefarious is found but now the Biden name is diminished by the process, they will have accomplished the president's goal.

Exactly... and Papa Joe could very well get hurt by it. It’s why I’ve been warning about moving on impeachment for months.

The political antics of the weak, unprincipled Republicans is not a sufficient barrier to pursuing the truth of the actions by the most corrupt president ever. Such tactics will be seen as abhorrent by the majority of America.

It’s fine if you think that. But doesn’t have anything to do with the point of my OP that if witnesses get called then Biden will be amongst them.

 

[Slade3200]

We shall see. I don’t see the needed republicans voting for Bolton and not Biden

LOL....
Bolton is a direct witness.

If anyone thought there was anything to the corruption allegations against the Bidens, they would have been gathering that evidence and we would have heard about it. Trump has come up with nothing but his dopey allegation. None of the govt agencies have come up with anything.Barr did nothing. Not one hearing has been held on the subject by any Senate committee.That tells you everything you need to know.
Enabling the lunatic ravings of the president is not a good look for the Senate. They know it.

Trump has a right to defend his motivations for calling for the investigation. In that defense the Reps will try and show that Biden was as corrupt as possible. To do so they will want to call him as a witness. It’s pretty simple. I still don’t get how you don’t see it

I do see it. Your play only works if there were any evidence of corruption at the start. There isn't. As far as I can tell, Trump is the only one alleging so.
Trump's defense comes in showing the corruption he is alleging. Do you honestly believe the Bidens will admit to corruption?

first off, it’s not MY play. No I don’t think Biden will admit to anything but I think the Republicans have a narrative they want to push and they will exploit Biden to fit that narrative.

Don't forget that will be determined by a simple majority vote. I think they won't get it if they play too dirty.

If you think the four Republican senators needed to make that majority vote are going to only go along with the Democratic witnesses and not the Republican witnesses then I don’t think you are working with a full deck

 

[bornright]

If Trump's reason for requesting investigations into Ukraine interference in the 2016 election then Hunter and Joe Biden would have to be questioned by the Senate as Joe Biden has already publicly bragged on his power for forcing a firing and stopping the investigation of the company that his son was receiving a tremendous amount of money. If Joe had that much power to control the Ukraine government then he easily could have and will have the power to get government of Ukraine to obtain information or create information to influence our elections. If he were innocent surely he would look forward to telling it to the Senate.

 

[Slade3200]

If Trump's reason for requesting investigations into Ukraine interference in the 2016 election then Hunter and Joe Biden would have to be questioned by the Senate as Joe Biden has already publicly bragged on his power for forcing a firing and stopping the investigation of the company that his son was receiving a tremendous amount of money. If Joe had that much power to control the Ukraine government then he easily could have and will have the power to get government of Ukraine to obtain information or create information to influence our elections. If he were innocent surely he would look forward to telling it to the Senate.

We both know that’s not true... it isn’t about truth it’s about exploitation. No matter what he says or what the truth is there will be a counter narrative that gets pushed. Therefore just the act of talking about it yields negative effects. That’s why he has kept his mouth shut about it.

 

[bornright]

If Trump's reason for requesting investigations into Ukraine interference in the 2016 election then Hunter and Joe Biden would have to be questioned by the Senate as Joe Biden has already publicly bragged on his power for forcing a firing and stopping the investigation of the company that his son was receiving a tremendous amount of money. If Joe had that much power to control the Ukraine government then he easily could have and will have the power to get government of Ukraine to obtain information or create information to influence our elections. If he were innocent surely he would look forward to telling it to the Senate.

We both know that’s not true... it isn’t about truth it’s about exploitation. No matter what he says or what the truth is there will be a counter narrative that gets pushed. Therefore just the act of talking about it yields negative effects. That’s why he has kept his mouth shut about it.

We neither one know what the truth is. Hopefully it will be looked at and the truth will come out.

 

[Slade3200]

If Trump's reason for requesting investigations into Ukraine interference in the 2016 election then Hunter and Joe Biden would have to be questioned by the Senate as Joe Biden has already publicly bragged on his power for forcing a firing and stopping the investigation of the company that his son was receiving a tremendous amount of money. If Joe had that much power to control the Ukraine government then he easily could have and will have the power to get government of Ukraine to obtain information or create information to influence our elections. If he were innocent surely he would look forward to telling it to the Senate.

We both know that’s not true... it isn’t about truth it’s about exploitation. No matter what he says or what the truth is there will be a counter narrative that gets pushed. Therefore just the act of talking about it yields negative effects. That’s why he has kept his mouth shut about it.

We neither one know what the truth is. Hopefully it will be looked at and the truth will come out.

So you’re in favor of everybody testifying then, is that right? Biden, Bolton, Mulvaney, etc

 

[dudmuck]

If Trump's reason for requesting investigations into Ukraine interference in the 2016 election then Hunter and Joe Biden would have to be questioned by the Senate as Joe Biden has already publicly bragged on his power for forcing a firing and stopping the investigation of the company that his son was receiving a tremendous amount of money. If Joe had that much power to control the Ukraine government then he easily could have and will have the power to get government of Ukraine to obtain information or create information to influence our elections. If he were innocent surely he would look forward to telling it to the Senate.

If the Bidens were actually corrupt in Ukraine, Trump wouldnt have had to withhold congressional approved military aid to leverage them to announce new investigation. The bidens arent relevent to Trump abusing his power to force investigation announcement.

But there was no Ukrainian interference in 2016 election. (AP fact check).
This Hunter-Burisma issue was known 5 years ago, and was investigated and reported on back then. It has been repeatedly investigated since then over the years, as recently as earlier this year with no wrong-doing found.

 

[easyt65]

[objectivity test... if you’re going to call Schiffs actions a manufactured coup then you’d have to admit that Trumps accusations against Hunter are also a manufactured crime that he was using for political purposes, right?

Schiff attempted to present his own written fictional account of a phone call as evidence...he lied about the Whistle Blower...and he manufactured a dismissed complaint that had no crime, no evidence, and no witness into an admitted politically partisan based Impeachment...oh, and the IC IG who helped Schiff manufacture the dismissed case into a coup...

Compare that to everything we know about Hunter AND Joe Biden's - AND SCHIFF'S - connections to Burisma...and Joe's videotaped confession....

Sorry, fail, snowflake

 

[bornright]

If Trump's reason for requesting investigations into Ukraine interference in the 2016 election then Hunter and Joe Biden would have to be questioned by the Senate as Joe Biden has already publicly bragged on his power for forcing a firing and stopping the investigation of the company that his son was receiving a tremendous amount of money. If Joe had that much power to control the Ukraine government then he easily could have and will have the power to get government of Ukraine to obtain information or create information to influence our elections. If he were innocent surely he would look forward to telling it to the Senate.

We both know that’s not true... it isn’t about truth it’s about exploitation. No matter what he says or what the truth is there will be a counter narrative that gets pushed. Therefore just the act of talking about it yields negative effects. That’s why he has kept his mouth shut about it.

We neither one know what the truth is. Hopefully it will be looked at and the truth will come out.

So you’re in favor of everybody testifying then, is that right? Biden, Bolton, Mulvaney, etc

I am for everyone taking a polygraph including the accusers in which they should go first.

 

[BlindBoo]

What does Hunter Biden have to do with Trump abusing his power? Let's say Biden the Junior did work for a corrupt company. What does that have to do with military aid for Ukraine? Do we or do we not have institutions that could perform an actual corruption investigation that doesn't play like a "drug deal"?

Trumps “political motivation” for calling on an investigation into Biden is a major talking point and focus of the articles of impeachment. That makes that a point of contention and thus makes it relevant.

It was political motivated to demand a public announcement of a Biden investigation, not evidence driven. That makes all the difference.

correct, that is the accusation, the counter argument will be that there was evidence to call for the investigation and in the course of presenting their evidence they will call Biden to testify. Do you not think that’s going to happen?

So Trump could have submitted evidence of corruption but instead chose to withhold the military aid to get the public announcements he was seeking?

yes

So he's just waiting for the perfect reveal moment? Get Hunter on the stand and .......

 

[jknowgood]

Dems do realize that witnesses mean BOTH parties are calling witnesses right? Something like, Bolton for Biden, Mik for Whistleblower, etc.

I hear pundits saying that Biden won’t get called because he isn’t relevant to the charges but that argument makes no sense to me as he is at the heart of the accusations. Showing Hunter as corrupt disproves the accusations that Trumps “favor” was politically motivated... it’s Trumps only significant argument!

can somebody make the case for me why they don’t think Hunter would get called?

Bring them all on, including Trump. He is the one at the "heart" of it all.

Trump done released the transcripts of the phone call. He did nothing wrong. Now Biden and his son is a different story.

 

[bornright]

If Trump's reason for requesting investigations into Ukraine interference in the 2016 election then Hunter and Joe Biden would have to be questioned by the Senate as Joe Biden has already publicly bragged on his power for forcing a firing and stopping the investigation of the company that his son was receiving a tremendous amount of money. If Joe had that much power to control the Ukraine government then he easily could have and will have the power to get government of Ukraine to obtain information or create information to influence our elections. If he were innocent surely he would look forward to telling it to the Senate.

If the Bidens were actually corrupt in Ukraine, Trump wouldnt have had to withhold congressional approved military aid to leverage them to announce new investigation. The bidens arent relevent to Trump abusing his power to force investigation announcement.

But there was no Ukrainian interference in 2016 election. (AP fact check).
This Hunter-Burisma issue was known 5 years ago, and was investigated and reported on back then. It has been repeatedly investigated since then over the years, as recently as earlier this year with no wrong-doing found.

It would be foolish to believe Russia was the only one that dug out dirt on our last election. Do you think it important for us to know the hidden information of the DNC in the last election? If it were Russia, Ukraine or Israel we should thank them although the media did not report enough on it.

 

[jknowgood]

"What was the President wanting investigated? Something involving Hunter Biden? What was happening that needed investigating?"

Hunter Biden needs to testify as his scandal is at the center of Schiff's manufactured coup....

...and Hunter's testimony / scandal leads to Joe Biden & his videotaped confession of extorting the Ukraine PM...

....and Ukraine leads to Schiff...and his Ukraine & Burisma payments...and the Whistle Blower...and his new employee, the IC IG...




.

objectivity test... if you’re going to call Schiffs actions a manufactured coup then you’d have to admit that Trumps accusations against Hunter are also a manufactured crime that he was using for political purposes, right?

Biden bragged about it, then we found out how much his son was making. Corruption on both sides and all need to pay, republicans and democrats.

 

[BlindBoo]

Joe Biden has already publicly bragged on his power for forcing a firing and stopping the investigation of the company that his son was receiving a tremendous amount of money.

The corruption investigation into Bursima predated Biden's hiring. It stalled under Slokin and the US, the EU and the IMF all thought he was taking bribes. By having him fired Biden was putting the company his son worked for at risk of the continued investigation of it's former owner and founder.

If Joe had that much power to control the Ukraine government then he easily could have and will have the power to get government of Ukraine to obtain information or create information to influence our elections.

More conflation confusion. You're thinking about that other bullshit story aka, Crowdstrike DNC Server in the Ukraine myth........

 

[Slade3200]

[objectivity test... if you’re going to call Schiffs actions a manufactured coup then you’d have to admit that Trumps accusations against Hunter are also a manufactured crime that he was using for political purposes, right?

Schiff attempted to present his own written fictional account of a phone call as evidence...he lied about the Whistle Blower...and he manufactured a dismissed complaint that had no crime, no evidence, and no witness into an admitted politically partisan based Impeachment...oh, and the IC IG who helped Schiff manufacture the dismissed case into a coup...

Compare that to everything we know about Hunter AND Joe Biden's - AND SCHIFF'S - connections to Burisma...and Joe's videotaped confession....

Sorry, fail, snowflake

Objectivity Test: FAIL

 

[Slade3200]

Trumps “political motivation” for calling on an investigation into Biden is a major talking point and focus of the articles of impeachment. That makes that a point of contention and thus makes it relevant.

It was political motivated to demand a public announcement of a Biden investigation, not evidence driven. That makes all the difference.

correct, that is the accusation, the counter argument will be that there was evidence to call for the investigation and in the course of presenting their evidence they will call Biden to testify. Do you not think that’s going to happen?

So Trump could have submitted evidence of corruption but instead chose to withhold the military aid to get the public announcements he was seeking?

yes

So he's just waiting for the perfect reveal moment? Get Hunter on the stand and .......

... and ask him questions to amplify their narrative of corruption

 

[progressive hunter]

It was political motivated to demand a public announcement of a Biden investigation, not evidence driven. That makes all the difference.

correct, that is the accusation, the counter argument will be that there was evidence to call for the investigation and in the course of presenting their evidence they will call Biden to testify. Do you not think that’s going to happen?

So Trump could have submitted evidence of corruption but instead chose to withhold the military aid to get the public announcements he was seeking?

yes

So he's just waiting for the perfect reveal moment? Get Hunter on the stand and .......

... and ask him questions to amplify their narrative of corruption

WHAT IF ITS TRUE???

DOES IT MATTER???

 

[easyt65]

Objectivity Test: FAIL

Yes YOU did....too bad you reject facts based on your bias and hate.

 

[easyt65]

DOES IT MATTER???

Hillary said that....after she abandoned 4 American to die...

 

[Slade3200]

Objectivity Test: FAIL

Yes YOU did....too bad you reject facts based on your bias and hate.

At least I can answer questions. You should work on that