progressive hunter
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Hillary said that....after she abandoned 4 American to die...DOES IT MATTER???
youre right but please dont edit my comments to change the context,,,
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Hillary said that....after she abandoned 4 American to die...DOES IT MATTER???
Because he is at the center of “Big Daddy Touchy-feely” stopping investigation into crooked Burisma.Dems do realize that witnesses mean BOTH parties are calling witnesses right? Something like, Bolton for Biden, Mik for Whistleblower, etc.
I hear pundits saying that Biden won’t get called because he isn’t relevant to the charges but that argument makes no sense to me as he is at the heart of the accusations. Showing Hunter as corrupt disproves the accusations that Trumps “favor” was politically motivated... it’s Trumps only significant argument!
can somebody make the case for me why they don’t think Hunter would get called?
... and ask him questions to amplify their narrative of corruptionyescorrect, that is the accusation, the counter argument will be that there was evidence to call for the investigation and in the course of presenting their evidence they will call Biden to testify. Do you not think that’s going to happen?It was political motivated to demand a public announcement of a Biden investigation, not evidence driven. That makes all the difference.
So Trump could have submitted evidence of corruption but instead chose to withhold the military aid to get the public announcements he was seeking?
So he's just waiting for the perfect reveal moment? Get Hunter on the stand and .......
No it doesn’t... that is a Tit that’s too far removedcorrect, that is the accusation, the counter argument will be that there was evidence to call for the investigation and in the course of presenting their evidence they will call Biden to testify. Do you not think that’s going to happen?Trumps “political motivation” for calling on an investigation into Biden is a major talking point and focus of the articles of impeachment. That makes that a point of contention and thus makes it relevant.What does Hunter Biden have to do with Trump abusing his power? Let's say Biden the Junior did work for a corrupt company. What does that have to do with military aid for Ukraine? Do we or do we not have institutions that could perform an actual corruption investigation that doesn't play like a "drug deal"?
It was political motivated to demand a public announcement of a Biden investigation, not evidence driven. That makes all the difference.
I hope it does. Opens the door to bring all the Trump kids to talk about their potential corruption on record.
When they make their case in the senate. That’s what’s done at trials.... and ask him questions to amplify their narrative of corruptionyescorrect, that is the accusation, the counter argument will be that there was evidence to call for the investigation and in the course of presenting their evidence they will call Biden to testify. Do you not think that’s going to happen?
So Trump could have submitted evidence of corruption but instead chose to withhold the military aid to get the public announcements he was seeking?
So he's just waiting for the perfect reveal moment? Get Hunter on the stand and .......
Questions can be answered. When do they present their evidence?
if that’s how you want to roll... I for one have been exhausted by the Over politicized investigations, especially after BenghaziNo it doesn’t... that is a Tit that’s too far removedcorrect, that is the accusation, the counter argument will be that there was evidence to call for the investigation and in the course of presenting their evidence they will call Biden to testify. Do you not think that’s going to happen?Trumps “political motivation” for calling on an investigation into Biden is a major talking point and focus of the articles of impeachment. That makes that a point of contention and thus makes it relevant.
It was political motivated to demand a public announcement of a Biden investigation, not evidence driven. That makes all the difference.
I hope it does. Opens the door to bring all the Trump kids to talk about their potential corruption on record.
For this investigation, not for the next one or the next after that. Investigating Trump for emoluments violations? Gotta get all the kids under oath.
Dems do realize that witnesses mean BOTH parties are calling witnesses right? Something like, Bolton for Biden, Mik for Whistleblower, etc.
I hear pundits saying that Biden won’t get called because he isn’t relevant to the charges but that argument makes no sense to me as he is at the heart of the accusations. Showing Hunter as corrupt disproves the accusations that Trumps “favor” was politically motivated... it’s Trumps only significant argument!
can somebody make the case for me why they don’t think Hunter would get called?
'smatter, snowflake? Pissed you lost at your little game, again? Or just triggered over the truth?At least I can answer questions. You should work on thatYes YOU did....too bad you reject facts based on your bias and hate.Objectivity Test: FAIL
What game do you think I’m playing? This is my thread and I started it by explaining how this impeachment is going to shoot the Dems in the foot. So what point exactly are you taking issue with?'smatter, snowflake? Pissed you lost at your little game, again? Or just triggered over the truth?At least I can answer questions. You should work on thatYes YOU did....too bad you reject facts based on your bias and hate.Objectivity Test: FAIL
Bwuhahahaha.....
HahahahaBring them all on, including Trump. He is the one at the "heart" of it all.
Would it? How does that prove he wasn’t politically motivated?If the corruption was true, it woulf justify trumps actions.Dems do realize that witnesses mean BOTH parties are calling witnesses right? Something like, Bolton for Biden, Mik for Whistleblower, etc.
I hear pundits saying that Biden won’t get called because he isn’t relevant to the charges but that argument makes no sense to me as he is at the heart of the accusations. Showing Hunter as corrupt disproves the accusations that Trumps “favor” was politically motivated... it’s Trumps only significant argument!
can somebody make the case for me why they don’t think Hunter would get called?
Huh?
Biden has nothing to do with Trump's actions. There is nothing Biden could say that would shed any light on what Trump is accused of doing.
If you think the four Republican senators needed to make that majority vote are going to only go along with the Democratic witnesses and not the Republican witnesses then I don’t think you are working with a full deckfirst off, it’s not MY play. No I don’t think Biden will admit to anything but I think the Republicans have a narrative they want to push and they will exploit Biden to fit that narrative.I do see it. Your play only works if there were any evidence of corruption at the start. There isn't. As far as I can tell, Trump is the only one alleging so.Trump has a right to defend his motivations for calling for the investigation. In that defense the Reps will try and show that Biden was as corrupt as possible. To do so they will want to call him as a witness. It’s pretty simple. I still don’t get how you don’t see itLOL....
Bolton is a direct witness.
If anyone thought there was anything to the corruption allegations against the Bidens, they would have been gathering that evidence and we would have heard about it. Trump has come up with nothing but his dopey allegation. None of the govt agencies have come up with anything.Barr did nothing. Not one hearing has been held on the subject by any Senate committee.That tells you everything you need to know.
Enabling the lunatic ravings of the president is not a good look for the Senate. They know it.
Trump's defense comes in showing the corruption he is alleging. Do you honestly believe the Bidens will admit to corruption?
Don't forget that will be determined by a simple majority vote. I think they won't get it if they play too dirty.
because of the bidens alleged actions.If you think the four Republican senators needed to make that majority vote are going to only go along with the Democratic witnesses and not the Republican witnesses then I don’t think you are working with a full deckfirst off, it’s not MY play. No I don’t think Biden will admit to anything but I think the Republicans have a narrative they want to push and they will exploit Biden to fit that narrative.I do see it. Your play only works if there were any evidence of corruption at the start. There isn't. As far as I can tell, Trump is the only one alleging so.Trump has a right to defend his motivations for calling for the investigation. In that defense the Reps will try and show that Biden was as corrupt as possible. To do so they will want to call him as a witness. It’s pretty simple. I still don’t get how you don’t see it
Trump's defense comes in showing the corruption he is alleging. Do you honestly believe the Bidens will admit to corruption?
Don't forget that will be determined by a simple majority vote. I think they won't get it if they play too dirty.
I think they'll go along with witnesses who are material to the case against the president. The Bidens aren't on trial. The president is.
because of the bidens alleged actions.If you think the four Republican senators needed to make that majority vote are going to only go along with the Democratic witnesses and not the Republican witnesses then I don’t think you are working with a full deckfirst off, it’s not MY play. No I don’t think Biden will admit to anything but I think the Republicans have a narrative they want to push and they will exploit Biden to fit that narrative.I do see it. Your play only works if there were any evidence of corruption at the start. There isn't. As far as I can tell, Trump is the only one alleging so.
Trump's defense comes in showing the corruption he is alleging. Do you honestly believe the Bidens will admit to corruption?
Don't forget that will be determined by a simple majority vote. I think they won't get it if they play too dirty.
I think they'll go along with witnesses who are material to the case against the president. The Bidens aren't on trial. The president is.
you really need to take things as a whole, not just the pieces that make you giggle.
Exactly... and Papa Joe could very well get hurt by it. It’s why I’ve been warning about moving on impeachment for months.Dems won’t favor that play, I agree there, but republicans will favor it, which is why Biden will get called as a witness and his associations will be exploited.In a court of law I agree, in the court of public opinion I think that point gets lost and I don’t think it keeps the Reps from steam rolling the attacks on Biden
The point will then be made that the Republicans will be doing exactly what the president is accused of doing. Smearing his political opponent with the result of gaining advantage without any evidence of corruption whatsoever.
Public opinion will not favor that play.
Great. So when nothing nefarious is found but now the Biden name is diminished by the process, they will have accomplished the president's goal.
The political antics of the weak, unprincipled Republicans is not a sufficient barrier to pursuing the truth of the actions by the most corrupt president ever. Such tactics will be seen as abhorrent by the majority of America.
because of the bidens alleged actions.If you think the four Republican senators needed to make that majority vote are going to only go along with the Democratic witnesses and not the Republican witnesses then I don’t think you are working with a full deckfirst off, it’s not MY play. No I don’t think Biden will admit to anything but I think the Republicans have a narrative they want to push and they will exploit Biden to fit that narrative.
Don't forget that will be determined by a simple majority vote. I think they won't get it if they play too dirty.
I think they'll go along with witnesses who are material to the case against the president. The Bidens aren't on trial. The president is.
you really need to take things as a whole, not just the pieces that make you giggle.
That is simply the president's excuse. His narrative. There is no evidence whatsoever of any wrongdoing by the Bidens. It's only relevant to his imagination.
Having the Bidens testify is like having Obama testify about his birth certificate.
there is also no evidence that trump said "look into it" for political gain vs. finding out *IF* there was any wrongdoing.because of the bidens alleged actions.If you think the four Republican senators needed to make that majority vote are going to only go along with the Democratic witnesses and not the Republican witnesses then I don’t think you are working with a full deckfirst off, it’s not MY play. No I don’t think Biden will admit to anything but I think the Republicans have a narrative they want to push and they will exploit Biden to fit that narrative.
Don't forget that will be determined by a simple majority vote. I think they won't get it if they play too dirty.
I think they'll go along with witnesses who are material to the case against the president. The Bidens aren't on trial. The president is.
you really need to take things as a whole, not just the pieces that make you giggle.
That is simply the president's excuse. His narrative. There is no evidence whatsoever of any wrongdoing by the Bidens. It's only relevant to his imagination.
Having the Bidens testify is like having Obama testify about his birth certificate.
Exactly... and Papa Joe could very well get hurt by it. It’s why I’ve been warning about moving on impeachment for months.Dems won’t favor that play, I agree there, but republicans will favor it, which is why Biden will get called as a witness and his associations will be exploited.The point will then be made that the Republicans will be doing exactly what the president is accused of doing. Smearing his political opponent with the result of gaining advantage without any evidence of corruption whatsoever.
Public opinion will not favor that play.
Great. So when nothing nefarious is found but now the Biden name is diminished by the process, they will have accomplished the president's goal.
The political antics of the weak, unprincipled Republicans is not a sufficient barrier to pursuing the truth of the actions by the most corrupt president ever. Such tactics will be seen as abhorrent by the majority of America.
"Unprincipled Republicans"...that is a hoot coming from Democrat. Astoundingly ignorant and ironic.
because of the bidens alleged actions.If you think the four Republican senators needed to make that majority vote are going to only go along with the Democratic witnesses and not the Republican witnesses then I don’t think you are working with a full deckDon't forget that will be determined by a simple majority vote. I think they won't get it if they play too dirty.
I think they'll go along with witnesses who are material to the case against the president. The Bidens aren't on trial. The president is.
you really need to take things as a whole, not just the pieces that make you giggle.
That is simply the president's excuse. His narrative. There is no evidence whatsoever of any wrongdoing by the Bidens. It's only relevant to his imagination.
Having the Bidens testify is like having Obama testify about his birth certificate.
There is likewise no evidence that Trump withheld the aid for political gain and there is also no evidence of a quid pro quo as the call transcript was released. So why are we having a trial at all? Using your premise, we can't try someone to uncover evidence of a crime, even with probable cause. In the case of Trump and Biden, there is probable cause to investigate, in fact, the very existence of probable cause in the case of Biden is enough to exonerate Trump. He is the President of the US and has an obligation to protect the US against corruption.
"In order to prove Trump abused his presidential powers to the point that he no longer can be trusted in exercising them—the constitutional standard for impeachment—Congress must establish Trump’s intent in making the request. Was it done in good faith, with U.S. foreign or domestic interests in mind, or in bad faith, merely for Trump’s personal and political benefit? To prove the latter, Congress can’t rely on Trump’s words alone; it must show that the charges of corruption against the Bidens are baseless and that Trump’s request to Ukraine is part of a pattern of bad faith demonstrating that the nation no longer can tolerate his incumbency."
In other words, getting Biden's testimony is paramount to proving the case against Trump. You don't get it and I don't care. The Senate will either drop the whole thing or they will be calling Biden and his son, as they should.
LOL...There is likewise no evidence that Trump withheld the aid for political gain and there is also no evidence of a quid pro quo as the call transcript was released.
there is also no evidence that trump said "look into it" for political gain vs. finding out *IF* there was any wrongdoing.because of the bidens alleged actions.If you think the four Republican senators needed to make that majority vote are going to only go along with the Democratic witnesses and not the Republican witnesses then I don’t think you are working with a full deckDon't forget that will be determined by a simple majority vote. I think they won't get it if they play too dirty.
I think they'll go along with witnesses who are material to the case against the president. The Bidens aren't on trial. The president is.
you really need to take things as a whole, not just the pieces that make you giggle.
That is simply the president's excuse. His narrative. There is no evidence whatsoever of any wrongdoing by the Bidens. It's only relevant to his imagination.
Having the Bidens testify is like having Obama testify about his birth certificate.
it's quite telling that you are adamant that the bidens did NOTHING wrong despite all the regional corruption but trump is dead set guilty for saying "look into it".
you're pissed cause it gets in the way of you validating your hate once again. all there is to it.
grow up.