The Templars in America.

[OldLady]

I did a whole road trip once, "chasing" the Templars.

From the deepest Languedoc, through Europe, to London, and beyond. Even a reference to iit in the gardens of a stately home in Staffordshire.

Also attended some interesting lectures on the topic.

So you've been to Rosslyn Chapel?

Good luck getting a straight answer out of her.

 

[bodecea]

The biggest treasure was the Grand Banks. European fishermen were going out there for centuries before Columbus.

Someone brought the diseases that killed off the majority of Native Americans BEFORE the Pilgrims and Jamestown.

I'd read about that somewhere.

Yes...disease travels faster than human exploration.

 

[Mindful]

I did a whole road trip once, "chasing" the Templars.

From the deepest Languedoc, through Europe, to London, and beyond. Even a reference to iit in the gardens of a stately home in Staffordshire.

Also attended some interesting lectures on the topic.

So you've been to Rosslyn Chapel?

Good luck getting a straight answer out of her.

So you have to spoil it?

Too bad. I should have known.

 

[bodecea]

I did a whole road trip once, "chasing" the Templars.

From the deepest Languedoc, through Europe, to London, and beyond. Even a reference to iit in the gardens of a stately home in Staffordshire.

Also attended some interesting lectures on the topic.

So you've been to Rosslyn Chapel?

Good luck getting a straight answer out of her.

Huh? Why wouldn't I?

 

[rightwinger]

The Templars in America is a topic that fascinates many. Did the knights flee to the New World with their treasure? Are objects like the Westford Knight and the Newport Towerproof of their presence? And what to make of Oak Island – is there treasure buried under the ground there?

Our starting point is the decision in October 1307 by the king of France, Philip the Fair, to round up every Knight Templar in his realm and put them on trial for heresy, idolatry, sodomy and corruption. Philip knew the Templars were astoundingly wealthy and he had big debts to pay. But when his men turned up at the Paris Temple, the order’s heavily fortified HQ, the cupboard was bare. Knights had fled with whatever treasure was behind those immense walls.

Templars in America – or not?

The Templars in America - The Templar Knight

No, they didn’t

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I did a whole road trip once, "chasing" the Templars.

From the deepest Languedoc, through Europe, to London, and beyond. Even a reference to iit in the gardens of a stately home in Staffordshire.

Also attended some interesting lectures on the topic.

So you've been to Rosslyn Chapel?

 

[Polishprince]

The Templars in America is a topic that fascinates many. Did the knights flee to the New World with their treasure? Are objects like the Westford Knight and the Newport Towerproof of their presence? And what to make of Oak Island – is there treasure buried under the ground there?

Our starting point is the decision in October 1307 by the king of France, Philip the Fair, to round up every Knight Templar in his realm and put them on trial for heresy, idolatry, sodomy and corruption. Philip knew the Templars were astoundingly wealthy and he had big debts to pay. But when his men turned up at the Paris Temple, the order’s heavily fortified HQ, the cupboard was bare. Knights had fled with whatever treasure was behind those immense walls.

Templars in America – or not?

The Templars in America - The Templar Knight

IMHO, probably not.

De Molay passed away in 1307, and the story you linked indicated they came over at the end of the 14th Century 70 or 80 years after?

Not likely they would all be dead. And since the Templars were an all-male outfit, they had to recruit new generations.

 

[Mindful]

The Templars in America is a topic that fascinates many. Did the knights flee to the New World with their treasure? Are objects like the Westford Knight and the Newport Towerproof of their presence? And what to make of Oak Island – is there treasure buried under the ground there?

Our starting point is the decision in October 1307 by the king of France, Philip the Fair, to round up every Knight Templar in his realm and put them on trial for heresy, idolatry, sodomy and corruption. Philip knew the Templars were astoundingly wealthy and he had big debts to pay. But when his men turned up at the Paris Temple, the order’s heavily fortified HQ, the cupboard was bare. Knights had fled with whatever treasure was behind those immense walls.

Templars in America – or not?

The Templars in America - The Templar Knight

IMHO, probably not.

De Molay passed away in 1307, and the story you linked indicated they came over at the end of the 14th Century 70 or 80 years after?

Not likely they would all be dead. And since the Templars were an all-male outfit, they had to recruit new generations.

Would they, or anyone else for that matter, have been capable of sailing over to the American continent, with whatever boating technology they might have possessed at that time in history?

 

[Picaro]

The Templars in America is a topic that fascinates many. Did the knights flee to the New World with their treasure? Are objects like the Westford Knight and the Newport Towerproof of their presence? And what to make of Oak Island – is there treasure buried under the ground there?

Our starting point is the decision in October 1307 by the king of France, Philip the Fair, to round up every Knight Templar in his realm and put them on trial for heresy, idolatry, sodomy and corruption. Philip knew the Templars were astoundingly wealthy and he had big debts to pay. But when his men turned up at the Paris Temple, the order’s heavily fortified HQ, the cupboard was bare. Knights had fled with whatever treasure was behind those immense walls.

Templars in America – or not?

The Templars in America - The Templar Knight

IMHO, probably not.

De Molay passed away in 1307, and the story you linked indicated they came over at the end of the 14th Century 70 or 80 years after?

Not likely they would all be dead. And since the Templars were an all-male outfit, they had to recruit new generations.

Would they, or anyone else for that matter, have been capable of sailing over to the American continent, with whatever boating technology they might have possessed at that time in history?

Yes. Easily. The major problem is knowing which way you're going and where you are at any given time, not the distance by itself. And, there are ocean currents and wind patterns to sort out, etc. Long voyages were pretty common long before Columbus's times; Asian ones took years, sometimes.

Even in the Med, you have a relatively short travel time from Rome to Egypt, for instance, but the return trip is an entirely different story when using sailing craft. This was a major factor and required major planning and organizing every year for the Roman grain ships voyages, a critical key project for Roman leadership for hundreds of years. As long as you were successful at getting the ships to and from Rome, you could get away with a lot, which is why Romans put up with some real assholes as Emperors while others got deposed for little reason.

The main reason North America remained 'undiscovered' was simply economics; it had little to offer as a trade route until a large market for furs developed in Europe, and the need for timber; before that it's primary attraction was as a place for Europe to dump dissenters and religious 'cranks'. Getting to South America and Central America was actually easier, due to the currents and prevailing winds.

Another good book on history of sailing is Lionel Caisson's The Ancient Mariners; it's fairly short and a good intro into the issues of water travel.

 

[Mindful]

The Templars in America is a topic that fascinates many. Did the knights flee to the New World with their treasure? Are objects like the Westford Knight and the Newport Towerproof of their presence? And what to make of Oak Island – is there treasure buried under the ground there?

Our starting point is the decision in October 1307 by the king of France, Philip the Fair, to round up every Knight Templar in his realm and put them on trial for heresy, idolatry, sodomy and corruption. Philip knew the Templars were astoundingly wealthy and he had big debts to pay. But when his men turned up at the Paris Temple, the order’s heavily fortified HQ, the cupboard was bare. Knights had fled with whatever treasure was behind those immense walls.

Templars in America – or not?

The Templars in America - The Templar Knight

IMHO, probably not.

De Molay passed away in 1307, and the story you linked indicated they came over at the end of the 14th Century 70 or 80 years after?

Not likely they would all be dead. And since the Templars were an all-male outfit, they had to recruit new generations.

Would they, or anyone else for that matter, have been capable of sailing over to the American continent, with whatever boating technology they might have possessed at that time in history?

Yes. Easily. The major problem is knowing which way you're going and where you are at any given time, not the distance by itself. And, there are ocean currents and wind patterns to sort out, etc. Long voyages were pretty common long before Columbus's times; Asian ones took years, sometimes.

Even in the Med, you have a relatively short travel time from Rome to Egypt, for instance, but the return trip is an entirely different story when using sailing craft. This was a major factor and required major planning and organizing every year for the Roman grain ships voyages, a critical key project for Roman leadership for hundreds of years. As long as you were successful at getting the ships to and from Rome, you could get away with a lot, which is why Romans put up with some real assholes as Emperors while others got deposed for little reason.

The main reason North America remained 'undiscovered' was simply economics; it had little to offer as a trade route until a large market for furs developed in Europe, and the need for timber; before that it's primary attraction was as a place for Europe to dump dissenters and religious 'cranks'. Getting to South America and Central America was actually easier, due to the currents and prevailing winds.

Another good book on history of sailing is Lionel Caisson's The Ancient Mariners; it's fairly short and a good intro into the issues of water travel.

Thankyou. I shall look into that book.

I actually visited Columbus's house in the Canary Isles, which is now a museum. Packed full of interesting and informative stuff.

Charts, routes, even a cross section reproduction of the ship he would have sailed in.

Another book I've read is the Kon-Tiki Expedition. An account of Thor Heyerdahl's voyage by raft from South America to Polynesia.


^Heyerdahl believed that people from South America could have settled Polynesia in pre-Columbian times. His aim in mounting the Kon-Tiki expedition was to show, by using only the materials and technologies available to those people at the time, that there were no technical reasons to prevent them from having done so. Although the expedition carried some modern equipment, such as a radio, watches, charts, sextant, and metal knives, Heyerdahl argued they were incidental to the purpose of proving that the raft itself could make the journey. ~ Wiki.

 

[Pilot1]

The biggest treasure was the Grand Banks. European fishermen were going out there for centuries before Columbus.

Someone brought the diseases that killed off the majority of Native Americans BEFORE the Pilgrims and Jamestown.

How was this documented since the Indians did not keep written records? Also, there was still a large Indian population when the Pilgrims and then others arrived. How did they survive?

I think the importance of the Vikings coming here is way overblown. There is no proof of Europe knowing about the New World prior to Columbus who is solely responsible for starting the European exploration, and migration to the New World.

 

[Picaro]

People forget that the population of Europe was relatively tiny in those times, and then plagues and other epidemics swept through them on top of that for a very long time, and then a mini-ice age or two. I think it was 'discovered' many times, but it just wasn't a big deal and little gain came from it, other than some great fishing off the northern coasts.

As for native populations, they were killing each other in great numbers, so it wasn't just 'disease from white people' reducing them; whole tribes were being wiped out by Iroquois and Sioux genocides among others. It's a myth that they were just aboriginal hippies, sitting around smoking weed and making cool baskets and blankets while pondering all sorts of Politically Correct Deep Thoughts and working on The Enivironment N Stuff; that is some 1960's rubbish dreamed up and sold by con artists to idiots like Elizabeth Warren and her fellow dope addled Burb Brats.

 

[Picaro]

The Templars in America is a topic that fascinates many. Did the knights flee to the New World with their treasure? Are objects like the Westford Knight and the Newport Towerproof of their presence? And what to make of Oak Island – is there treasure buried under the ground there?

Our starting point is the decision in October 1307 by the king of France, Philip the Fair, to round up every Knight Templar in his realm and put them on trial for heresy, idolatry, sodomy and corruption. Philip knew the Templars were astoundingly wealthy and he had big debts to pay. But when his men turned up at the Paris Temple, the order’s heavily fortified HQ, the cupboard was bare. Knights had fled with whatever treasure was behind those immense walls.

Templars in America – or not?

The Templars in America - The Templar Knight

IMHO, probably not.

De Molay passed away in 1307, and the story you linked indicated they came over at the end of the 14th Century 70 or 80 years after?

Not likely they would all be dead. And since the Templars were an all-male outfit, they had to recruit new generations.

Would they, or anyone else for that matter, have been capable of sailing over to the American continent, with whatever boating technology they might have possessed at that time in history?

Yes. Easily. The major problem is knowing which way you're going and where you are at any given time, not the distance by itself. And, there are ocean currents and wind patterns to sort out, etc. Long voyages were pretty common long before Columbus's times; Asian ones took years, sometimes.

Even in the Med, you have a relatively short travel time from Rome to Egypt, for instance, but the return trip is an entirely different story when using sailing craft. This was a major factor and required major planning and organizing every year for the Roman grain ships voyages, a critical key project for Roman leadership for hundreds of years. As long as you were successful at getting the ships to and from Rome, you could get away with a lot, which is why Romans put up with some real assholes as Emperors while others got deposed for little reason.

The main reason North America remained 'undiscovered' was simply economics; it had little to offer as a trade route until a large market for furs developed in Europe, and the need for timber; before that it's primary attraction was as a place for Europe to dump dissenters and religious 'cranks'. Getting to South America and Central America was actually easier, due to the currents and prevailing winds.

Another good book on history of sailing is Lionel Caisson's The Ancient Mariners; it's fairly short and a good intro into the issues of water travel.

Thankyou. I shall look into that book.

I actually visited Columbus's house in the Canary Isles, which is now a museum. Packed full of interesting and informative stuff.

Charts, routes, even a cross section reproduction of the ship he would have sailed in.

Another book I've read is the Kon-Tiki Expedition. An account of Thor Heyerdahl's voyage by raft from South America to Polynesia.


^Heyerdahl believed that people from South America could have settled Polynesia in pre-Columbian times. His aim in mounting the Kon-Tiki expedition was to show, by using only the materials and technologies available to those people at the time, that there were no technical reasons to prevent them from having done so. Although the expedition carried some modern equipment, such as a radio, watches, charts, sextant, and metal knives, Heyerdahl argued they were incidental to the purpose of proving that the raft itself could make the journey. ~ Wiki.

Yes. I was going to mention Heyerdahl's experiments but assumed everybody already knew about him and his voyages. The Pacific ones are the most impressive.

 

[rightwinger]

The Templars in America is a topic that fascinates many. Did the knights flee to the New World with their treasure? Are objects like the Westford Knight and the Newport Towerproof of their presence? And what to make of Oak Island – is there treasure buried under the ground there?

Our starting point is the decision in October 1307 by the king of France, Philip the Fair, to round up every Knight Templar in his realm and put them on trial for heresy, idolatry, sodomy and corruption. Philip knew the Templars were astoundingly wealthy and he had big debts to pay. But when his men turned up at the Paris Temple, the order’s heavily fortified HQ, the cupboard was bare. Knights had fled with whatever treasure was behind those immense walls.

Templars in America – or not?

The Templars in America - The Templar Knight

IMHO, probably not.

De Molay passed away in 1307, and the story you linked indicated they came over at the end of the 14th Century 70 or 80 years after?

Not likely they would all be dead. And since the Templars were an all-male outfit, they had to recruit new generations.

Would they, or anyone else for that matter, have been capable of sailing over to the American continent, with whatever boating technology they might have possessed at that time in history?

Yes. Easily. The major problem is knowing which way you're going and where you are at any given time, not the distance by itself. And, there are ocean currents and wind patterns to sort out, etc. Long voyages were pretty common long before Columbus's times; Asian ones took years, sometimes.

Even in the Med, you have a relatively short travel time from Rome to Egypt, for instance, but the return trip is an entirely different story when using sailing craft. This was a major factor and required major planning and organizing every year for the Roman grain ships voyages, a critical key project for Roman leadership for hundreds of years. As long as you were successful at getting the ships to and from Rome, you could get away with a lot, which is why Romans put up with some real assholes as Emperors while others got deposed for little reason.

The main reason North America remained 'undiscovered' was simply economics; it had little to offer as a trade route until a large market for furs developed in Europe, and the need for timber; before that it's primary attraction was as a place for Europe to dump dissenters and religious 'cranks'. Getting to South America and Central America was actually easier, due to the currents and prevailing winds.

Another good book on history of sailing is Lionel Caisson's The Ancient Mariners; it's fairly short and a good intro into the issues of water travel.

Thankyou. I shall look into that book.

I actually visited Columbus's house in the Canary Isles, which is now a museum. Packed full of interesting and informative stuff.

Charts, routes, even a cross section reproduction of the ship he would have sailed in.

Another book I've read is the Kon-Tiki Expedition. An account of Thor Heyerdahl's voyage by raft from South America to Polynesia.


^Heyerdahl believed that people from South America could have settled Polynesia in pre-Columbian times. His aim in mounting the Kon-Tiki expedition was to show, by using only the materials and technologies available to those people at the time, that there were no technical reasons to prevent them from having done so. Although the expedition carried some modern equipment, such as a radio, watches, charts, sextant, and metal knives, Heyerdahl argued they were incidental to the purpose of proving that the raft itself could make the journey. ~ Wiki.

Yes. I was going to mention Heyerdahl's experiments but assumed everybody already knew about him and his voyages. The Pacific ones are the most impressive.

DNA showed Heyerdahl was wrong

 

[Picaro]

IMHO, probably not.

De Molay passed away in 1307, and the story you linked indicated they came over at the end of the 14th Century 70 or 80 years after?

Not likely they would all be dead. And since the Templars were an all-male outfit, they had to recruit new generations.

Would they, or anyone else for that matter, have been capable of sailing over to the American continent, with whatever boating technology they might have possessed at that time in history?

Yes. Easily. The major problem is knowing which way you're going and where you are at any given time, not the distance by itself. And, there are ocean currents and wind patterns to sort out, etc. Long voyages were pretty common long before Columbus's times; Asian ones took years, sometimes.

Even in the Med, you have a relatively short travel time from Rome to Egypt, for instance, but the return trip is an entirely different story when using sailing craft. This was a major factor and required major planning and organizing every year for the Roman grain ships voyages, a critical key project for Roman leadership for hundreds of years. As long as you were successful at getting the ships to and from Rome, you could get away with a lot, which is why Romans put up with some real assholes as Emperors while others got deposed for little reason.

The main reason North America remained 'undiscovered' was simply economics; it had little to offer as a trade route until a large market for furs developed in Europe, and the need for timber; before that it's primary attraction was as a place for Europe to dump dissenters and religious 'cranks'. Getting to South America and Central America was actually easier, due to the currents and prevailing winds.

Another good book on history of sailing is Lionel Caisson's The Ancient Mariners; it's fairly short and a good intro into the issues of water travel.

Thankyou. I shall look into that book.

I actually visited Columbus's house in the Canary Isles, which is now a museum. Packed full of interesting and informative stuff.

Charts, routes, even a cross section reproduction of the ship he would have sailed in.

Another book I've read is the Kon-Tiki Expedition. An account of Thor Heyerdahl's voyage by raft from South America to Polynesia.


^Heyerdahl believed that people from South America could have settled Polynesia in pre-Columbian times. His aim in mounting the Kon-Tiki expedition was to show, by using only the materials and technologies available to those people at the time, that there were no technical reasons to prevent them from having done so. Although the expedition carried some modern equipment, such as a radio, watches, charts, sextant, and metal knives, Heyerdahl argued they were incidental to the purpose of proving that the raft itself could make the journey. ~ Wiki.

Yes. I was going to mention Heyerdahl's experiments but assumed everybody already knew about him and his voyages. The Pacific ones are the most impressive.

DNA showed Heyerdahl was wrong

DNA testing is over-rated. It can't track cultural and linguistic influences, for instance.

 

[Mindful]

IMHO, probably not.

De Molay passed away in 1307, and the story you linked indicated they came over at the end of the 14th Century 70 or 80 years after?

Not likely they would all be dead. And since the Templars were an all-male outfit, they had to recruit new generations.

Would they, or anyone else for that matter, have been capable of sailing over to the American continent, with whatever boating technology they might have possessed at that time in history?

Yes. Easily. The major problem is knowing which way you're going and where you are at any given time, not the distance by itself. And, there are ocean currents and wind patterns to sort out, etc. Long voyages were pretty common long before Columbus's times; Asian ones took years, sometimes.

Even in the Med, you have a relatively short travel time from Rome to Egypt, for instance, but the return trip is an entirely different story when using sailing craft. This was a major factor and required major planning and organizing every year for the Roman grain ships voyages, a critical key project for Roman leadership for hundreds of years. As long as you were successful at getting the ships to and from Rome, you could get away with a lot, which is why Romans put up with some real assholes as Emperors while others got deposed for little reason.

The main reason North America remained 'undiscovered' was simply economics; it had little to offer as a trade route until a large market for furs developed in Europe, and the need for timber; before that it's primary attraction was as a place for Europe to dump dissenters and religious 'cranks'. Getting to South America and Central America was actually easier, due to the currents and prevailing winds.

Another good book on history of sailing is Lionel Caisson's The Ancient Mariners; it's fairly short and a good intro into the issues of water travel.

Thankyou. I shall look into that book.

I actually visited Columbus's house in the Canary Isles, which is now a museum. Packed full of interesting and informative stuff.

Charts, routes, even a cross section reproduction of the ship he would have sailed in.

Another book I've read is the Kon-Tiki Expedition. An account of Thor Heyerdahl's voyage by raft from South America to Polynesia.


^Heyerdahl believed that people from South America could have settled Polynesia in pre-Columbian times. His aim in mounting the Kon-Tiki expedition was to show, by using only the materials and technologies available to those people at the time, that there were no technical reasons to prevent them from having done so. Although the expedition carried some modern equipment, such as a radio, watches, charts, sextant, and metal knives, Heyerdahl argued they were incidental to the purpose of proving that the raft itself could make the journey. ~ Wiki.

Yes. I was going to mention Heyerdahl's experiments but assumed everybody already knew about him and his voyages. The Pacific ones are the most impressive.

DNA showed Heyerdahl was wrong

It was a theory, and he proved it could be done.

The operative word being could.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The Templars in America is a topic that fascinates many. Did the knights flee to the New World with their treasure? Are objects like the Westford Knight and the Newport Towerproof of their presence? And what to make of Oak Island – is there treasure buried under the ground there?

Our starting point is the decision in October 1307 by the king of France, Philip the Fair, to round up every Knight Templar in his realm and put them on trial for heresy, idolatry, sodomy and corruption. Philip knew the Templars were astoundingly wealthy and he had big debts to pay. But when his men turned up at the Paris Temple, the order’s heavily fortified HQ, the cupboard was bare. Knights had fled with whatever treasure was behind those immense walls.

Templars in America – or not?

The Templars in America - The Templar Knight

IMHO, probably not.

De Molay passed away in 1307, and the story you linked indicated they came over at the end of the 14th Century 70 or 80 years after?

Not likely they would all be dead. And since the Templars were an all-male outfit, they had to recruit new generations.

Would they, or anyone else for that matter, have been capable of sailing over to the American continent, with whatever boating technology they might have possessed at that time in history?

Absolutely, they sailed to America. That's why there are carving of corn and cacti at Rosslyn Temple

Incontrovertible evidence they sailed to America and back before Columbus

 

[Mindful]

The Templars in America is a topic that fascinates many. Did the knights flee to the New World with their treasure? Are objects like the Westford Knight and the Newport Towerproof of their presence? And what to make of Oak Island – is there treasure buried under the ground there?

Our starting point is the decision in October 1307 by the king of France, Philip the Fair, to round up every Knight Templar in his realm and put them on trial for heresy, idolatry, sodomy and corruption. Philip knew the Templars were astoundingly wealthy and he had big debts to pay. But when his men turned up at the Paris Temple, the order’s heavily fortified HQ, the cupboard was bare. Knights had fled with whatever treasure was behind those immense walls.

Templars in America – or not?

The Templars in America - The Templar Knight

IMHO, probably not.

De Molay passed away in 1307, and the story you linked indicated they came over at the end of the 14th Century 70 or 80 years after?

Not likely they would all be dead. And since the Templars were an all-male outfit, they had to recruit new generations.

Would they, or anyone else for that matter, have been capable of sailing over to the American continent, with whatever boating technology they might have possessed at that time in history?

Absolutely, they sailed to America. That's why there are carving of corn and cacti at Rosslyn Temple

Incontrovertible evidence they sailed to America and back before Columbus

Haven't been to the Temple, though I pass through Rosslyn quite often.

I've been around the London ones.

 

[TNHarley]

By the time the Templars (if any survived) would be fleeing the Pope, the Vikings had been coming here for a couple hundred years to fish and to explore. So the continent would not have been a secret, at least not to the Greenlanders and Icelanders. According to the Sagas, a Bishop of the Church visited Greenland in the early 1100's and set off in search of "Vinland" himself--so if the Bishop made it back, even the Church knew. The Templars, as the richest organization in Europe, had excellent connections with shipping magnates and sailors. They had a large fleet of their own. There is no reason to think the Templars (if any survived and if they actually had escaped with any treasure at all) couldn't have known of the New World.

However, if they knew of the New World from the Northmen, they also knew of the Skraelings, who had been quite an issue at times, and that there was no established support system anywhere near. I question why the Templars would go quite so far as a completely uncolonized, dangerous and relatively unknown land to leave the priceless treasure of the West buried in a hole. Not so sure about that. I realize their lives were threatened (if they weren't already dead) and that Europe at that time probably seemed like a "crowded" place, but the Templars knew the way to the East, as well, which had much more chance of success as a place to survive until the Pope got his panties out of a twist.

The Newport Tower is interesting. It was probably built by Vikings--it is built aligned perfectly with the solstices and was probably an astronomical tower for tracking those important dates. It would certainly indicate a settlement of some size would have been around it, but that is now covered by the City of Newport. So we'll never know, I guess.

If you go to the Newport Tower site on Google, it says the tower is a windmill built in the 1600's. There is an interesting report on the Tower here that disagrees:
WHO BUILT THE NEWPORT TOWER? | ACMRS

It isn't built like any windmill, colonial researchers say -- it is an observatory or a church with astronomical orientation to serve a double purpose. There is also a map by a European explorer who draws in the tower in 1500-something, well before any colonists had come to New England. Or maybe that was a hoax. It

The Templars in America is a topic that fascinates many. Did the knights flee to the New World with their treasure? Are objects like the Westford Knight and the Newport Towerproof of their presence? And what to make of Oak Island – is there treasure buried under the ground there?

Our starting point is the decision in October 1307 by the king of France, Philip the Fair, to round up every Knight Templar in his realm and put them on trial for heresy, idolatry, sodomy and corruption. Philip knew the Templars were astoundingly wealthy and he had big debts to pay. But when his men turned up at the Paris Temple, the order’s heavily fortified HQ, the cupboard was bare. Knights had fled with whatever treasure was behind those immense walls.

Templars in America – or not?

The Templars in America - The Templar Knight

IMHO, probably not.

De Molay passed away in 1307, and the story you linked indicated they came over at the end of the 14th Century 70 or 80 years after?

Not likely they would all be dead. And since the Templars were an all-male outfit, they had to recruit new generations.

Would they, or anyone else for that matter, have been capable of sailing over to the American continent, with whatever boating technology they might have possessed at that time in history?

Absolutely, they sailed to America. That's why there are carving of corn and cacti at Rosslyn Temple

Incontrovertible evidence they sailed to America and back before Columbus

Or bundled wheat. It doesn't matter. That chapel is a treasure grove for conspiracy theorists. Like Masonic carvings carved before the order was established.
A legendary chapel, for sure!
Personally, I believe Europeans made it here. And probably a few other cultures.

 

[Mindful]

By the time the Templars (if any survived) would be fleeing the Pope, the Vikings had been coming here for a couple hundred years to fish and to explore. So the continent would not have been a secret, at least not to the Greenlanders and Icelanders. According to the Sagas, a Bishop of the Church visited Greenland in the early 1100's and set off in search of "Vinland" himself--so if the Bishop made it back, even the Church knew. The Templars, as the richest organization in Europe, had excellent connections with shipping magnates and sailors. They had a large fleet of their own. There is no reason to think the Templars (if any survived and if they actually had escaped with any treasure at all) couldn't have known of the New World.

However, if they knew of the New World from the Northmen, they also knew of the Skraelings, who had been quite an issue at times, and that there was no established support system anywhere near. I question why the Templars would go quite so far as a completely uncolonized, dangerous and relatively unknown land to leave the priceless treasure of the West buried in a hole. Not so sure about that. I realize their lives were threatened (if they weren't already dead) and that Europe at that time probably seemed like a "crowded" place, but the Templars knew the way to the East, as well, which had much more chance of success as a place to survive until the Pope got his panties out of a twist.

The Newport Tower is interesting. It was probably built by Vikings--it is built aligned perfectly with the solstices and was probably an astronomical tower for tracking those important dates. It would certainly indicate a settlement of some size would have been around it, but that is now covered by the City of Newport. So we'll never know, I guess.

If you go to the Newport Tower site on Google, it says the tower is a windmill built in the 1600's. There is an interesting report on the Tower here that disagrees:
WHO BUILT THE NEWPORT TOWER? | ACMRS

It isn't built like any windmill, colonial researchers say -- it is an observatory or a church with astronomical orientation to serve a double purpose. There is also a map by a European explorer who draws in the tower in 1500-something, well before any colonists had come to New England. Or maybe that was a hoax. It

The Templars in America is a topic that fascinates many. Did the knights flee to the New World with their treasure? Are objects like the Westford Knight and the Newport Towerproof of their presence? And what to make of Oak Island – is there treasure buried under the ground there?

Our starting point is the decision in October 1307 by the king of France, Philip the Fair, to round up every Knight Templar in his realm and put them on trial for heresy, idolatry, sodomy and corruption. Philip knew the Templars were astoundingly wealthy and he had big debts to pay. But when his men turned up at the Paris Temple, the order’s heavily fortified HQ, the cupboard was bare. Knights had fled with whatever treasure was behind those immense walls.

Templars in America – or not?

The Templars in America - The Templar Knight

IMHO, probably not.

De Molay passed away in 1307, and the story you linked indicated they came over at the end of the 14th Century 70 or 80 years after?

Not likely they would all be dead. And since the Templars were an all-male outfit, they had to recruit new generations.

Would they, or anyone else for that matter, have been capable of sailing over to the American continent, with whatever boating technology they might have possessed at that time in history?

Absolutely, they sailed to America. That's why there are carving of corn and cacti at Rosslyn Temple

Incontrovertible evidence they sailed to America and back before Columbus

Or bundled wheat. It doesn't matter. That chapel is a treasure grove for conspiracy theorists. Like Masonic carvings carved before the order was established.
A legendary chapel, for sure!
Personally, I believe Europeans made it here. And probably a few other cultures.

Is that place worth a visit? I must go there. I'm living not far from Rosslyn.