The Templars in America.

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    The Templars in America is a topic that fascinates many. Did the knights flee to the New World with their treasure? Are objects like the Westford Knight and the Newport Towerproof of their presence? And what to make of Oak Island – is there treasure buried under the ground there?

    Our starting point is the decision in October 1307 by the king of France, Philip the Fair, to round up every Knight Templar in his realm and put them on trial for heresy, idolatry, sodomy and corruption. Philip knew the Templars were astoundingly wealthy and he had big debts to pay. But when his men turned up at the Paris Temple, the order’s heavily fortified HQ, the cupboard was bare. Knights had fled with whatever treasure was behind those immense walls.

    Templars in America – or not?

    The Templars in America - The Templar Knight
     
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    So where had they gone?
     
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    By the time the Templars (if any survived) would be fleeing the Pope, the Vikings had been coming here for a couple hundred years to fish and to explore. So the continent would not have been a secret, at least not to the Greenlanders and Icelanders. According to the Sagas, a Bishop of the Church visited Greenland in the early 1100's and set off in search of "Vinland" himself--so if the Bishop made it back, even the Church knew. The Templars, as the richest organization in Europe, had excellent connections with shipping magnates and sailors. They had a large fleet of their own. There is no reason to think the Templars (if any survived and if they actually had escaped with any treasure at all) couldn't have known of the New World.

    However, if they knew of the New World from the Northmen, they also knew of the Skraelings, who had been quite an issue at times, and that there was no established support system anywhere near. I question why the Templars would go quite so far as a completely uncolonized, dangerous and relatively unknown land to leave the priceless treasure of the West buried in a hole. Not so sure about that. I realize their lives were threatened (if they weren't already dead) and that Europe at that time probably seemed like a "crowded" place, but the Templars knew the way to the East, as well, which had much more chance of success as a place to survive until the Pope got his panties out of a twist.

    The Newport Tower is interesting. It was probably built by Vikings--it is built aligned perfectly with the solstices and was probably an astronomical tower for tracking those important dates. It would certainly indicate a settlement of some size would have been around it, but that is now covered by the City of Newport. So we'll never know, I guess.

    If you go to the Newport Tower site on Google, it says the tower is a windmill built in the 1600's. There is an interesting report on the Tower here that disagrees:
    WHO BUILT THE NEWPORT TOWER? | ACMRS

    It isn't built like any windmill, colonial researchers say -- it is an observatory or a church with astronomical orientation to serve a double purpose. There is also a map by a European explorer who draws in the tower in 1500-something, well before any colonists had come to New England. Or maybe that was a hoax. It isn't mentioned in the article above.

    I have a lot of fun thinking about mysteries like this. Sorry to make this so long.
     
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    The kind of treasures they would have had would be utterly worthless in America of those times. They probably had little by that time, most of it being out on loans or spent on various projects. I like buried treasure stories, but that doesn't mean I have to think they're true.

    Barry Fell thinks the Phoenicians and Greeks had trade with America before Jesus's time. America B.C. and another book; both are pretty good, and claims there are linguistic links between some North African tribal languages and some indian languages.
     
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    I always wondered why people thought the Phoenicians were here. I've heard it mentioned on Oak Island.
     
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    The biggest treasure was the Grand Banks. European fishermen were going out there for centuries before Columbus.
     
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    Someone brought the diseases that killed off the majority of Native Americans BEFORE the Pilgrims and Jamestown.
     
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    Spanish and French...up thru the Mississippi River valley.
     
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    Wiki entry on Fell:

    Barry Fell - Wikipedia

    Doesn't do justice to his books; they are really interesting and he produces a lot more evidence than the Wiki article claims. I think you would really like all three of them. They're probably cheap on Amazon or at Half Price.
     
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    I did a whole road trip once, "chasing" the Templars.

    From the deepest Languedoc, through Europe, to London, and beyond. Even a reference to iit in the gardens of a stately home in Staffordshire.

    Also attended some interesting lectures on the topic.
     

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