The States can't afford the health care reform version the senate passed.

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    Governor Gibbons of Nevada attacks Harry Reid accusing him of stabbing Nevadans in the back. Governor Swartznagger of California wrote a letter to Pelosi stating that he can't afford the unfunded mandates for medicaid in his state.

    In the senate version of the health care reform bill it is estimated that 30 million have no health insurance. It is estimated that 15 million of these uninsured will be dumped into the medicaid program. Medicaid is second class healthcare and our individual states pick up the cost of medicaid. Considering that 15 million will be added to the already stretched bankrupt budgets of all of our states many governors are speaking out strongly against this bill.

    http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/dec/21/jim-gibbons-attacks-harry-reid-health-care-bill/

    Jim Gibbons attacks Harry Reid on health care bill
    Nevada Republican governor accuses Reid of ‘cooking the books’
    By David McGrath Schwartz (contact)

    Monday, Dec. 21, 2009 | 6:03 p.m.



    Gov. Jim Gibbons
    CARSON CITY — Gov. Jim Gibbons attacked Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s health care bill today, saying that it will bankrupt Nevada state government and accusing the Nevada Democrat of putting “his national political ambitions ahead of Nevada, this time on Christmas Eve.”

    In a strongly worded press release, Gibbons took aim at the bill being shepherded by Reid, which cleared a key hurdle to passage this weekend.

    “Senator Reid is wishing Nevadans a Merry Christmas with a smile on his face and a knife in our backs,” Gibbons said in the press release. He called it “irresponsible legislation,” “shameful,” and accused Reid of “cooking the books.”

    And the letter from Governor Swartznegger to Pelosi.

    http://gov.ca.gov/press-release/14080/

    When asked for my support, I was assured that federal legislation would not increase costs to California or include new unfunded mandates. Unfortunately, under nearly every scenario we can predict, the federal health care reform legislation being debated would cost California’s General Fund an additional $3 billion to $4 billion annually. This crushing new burden will be added to a safety net that is already shredding under billions of dollars in unfunded federal mandates that we are struggling to meet. Medicaid is a partnership program between the federal government and the states. As the partner responsible for implementing this program, I am telling you that our Medicaid program is already at the breaking point, and if federal health care reform is passed without addressing the underlying faults in the system, health care reform will fail.
     
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    Well, the Senate bill is not what will be the Health Care bill. What comes out of reconciation, and is passed by a majority of the House and Senate is what will be the Health Care Bill.
     
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    And it still will be unaffordable to the states.

    How the hell do you think Ben Nelson was bribed?
     
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    copiously?
     
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    And New York-

    Health care debate on Hill spills into N.Y. - Washington Times

    Gov. David A. Paterson and Sen. Charles E. Schumer are at odds over how good - or bad - the Senate version of the bill is for New York. And the Republican is trying to enlist Democratic Attorney General Andrew M. Cuomo to help dismantle the bill by challenging a big break given to Nebraska.

    "It leaves New York in the lurch," Mr. Paterson told the Associated Press. "I don't think anyone with any integrity can deny that's what's going on. ... We'll lose over $1 billion dollars if they don't fix that health care reform act."



    Pretty soon you will have all 50 states saying absolutely no to the senate version because of un-funded medicaid mandates, except Nebraska and Louisianna where two political whores got bought off. Of course, Ben Nelson did not do himself any favors the people of Nebraska have integrity and they don't like to see one of their politicians bought off. Only 17 % of Nebraskans agreed with this deal while 62% opposed it.

    Rassmusen Poll on Ben Nelson

    http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/12/29/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry6035608.shtml


    (AP Photo/Harry Hamburg)Democratic Sen. Ben Nelson may get burned in his next election by the health care debate, regardless of how he ultimately votes for the Democrats' reform package, but he may be better off opposing it, a new poll shows.

    Under intense pressure to fall in line with the rest of the Democratic caucus in the Senate, moderate Ben Nelson finally voted to end a Republican filibuster on the health care bill after cutting a deal to pay for an expansion of Medicaid in Nebraska with federal rather than state dollars. However, only 17 percent of Nebraska voters approve of the deal, according to a new Rasmussen poll.
     
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    I know that, but the public option is out, it appears that the governors are not going to go along with un-funded mandates that they can't afford, so what's next??? Dont' ya think it would be a good idea to have everyone sit down, that means including Republicans in this debate, do tort reform, open competition among the states, group small business, encourage pre- tax dollars for health savings plans, legislate portability and legislate and regulate insurance companies so that people can not be denied coverage for pre-exisiting conditions? Mandate that everyone purchase a policy and the poor could be subsidized. Do that and I think we would be well on our way to fixing health care. It's pretty simple, but sometimes that's all you need to do is something simple.

    But ooooooooooooooh noooooooooooo we can't do that, we need to add 2 trillion dollars to the deficit, raise everyone's premiums, tax the crap out of anything, everything and everybody so we can turn 6% of our economy over to a bunch of morons who have bankrupted Social security, medicare, Freddie and Fannie, the postal service and who don't have the common sense to run a neighborhood lemonade stand with out bankrupting that too.
     
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    Totally agree with you.

    These morons are so caught up in this HISTORIC MOMENT that they don't care they are going to bankrupt us all. Their fix is going to end up costing we taxpayers up the ass. Morons doesn't even begin to describe these guys.
     
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    Affordable Health Insurance - One of the Only Options Left
    Clearly, having affordable health insurance is critical, especially for major health problems, such as a heart attack. However, finding affordable health insurance isn't easy. The only option many people have is Catastrophic Health Insurance.

    This type of health insurance is available to people who have no prior medical conditions. The main benefit is that the monthly premiums are low. According to the article "Understanding Catastrophic Health Insurance" (see references) a 29-year old female who doesn't smoke would only have to pay $29 per month.
    Affordable Health Insurance

    I've thought about this a little bit and as this is only my opinion on the subject it would seem to me that based on the talk that covering those with catastrophic health insurance would be one method to at least provide a base from which people care start. As for all this public option talk iit does appear that we already do have a public option that almost insolvent (Medicare) and to devise a scheme to take money from it in order to shift people to state Medicade when they are facing a budget crisis is nonsense, not to mention mandating converage on individuals and business , which at best does nothing to help shore up Medicare or Medicaid, and is constitutionally questionable. It would seem that an easier method would be to shore up Medicare rather than take from it, and then for those under the required age for Part A and B, allow them to BUY catastophic coverage ONLY. If they wish on-going care, i.e. Doctor's visits, dental, vision, etc. then purchase a supplimental plan if you so wish on a private market that has been opened up nationally and allowed to be sold anywhere. In conjunction with this, here is an interesting thought, the US Military through BRAC closes military bases with hospitals and clinics throughout the country, rather than doing so, what about upgrading them and creating community hospitals that serve the needs of those with that very same catastrophic coverage? Still further, how about Doc-Fix, raise the rates in which Doctors are paid in order to get more Doctors to particpate in the program and at the same time, reform malpractice insurance and medical litigation. It would appear there are many paths that reform can actually take without bankrupting the nation or the states unless your Nebraska or Fl, or Vt. it just takes the will to actually do it.
     
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    If Senators were still appointed by State Legislatures there is no way ObamaCare passes
     
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    You're right, finding affordable health insurance isn't easy and I should know because it took me over a year of looking to find a plan within my range. It's pretty scary too if you have a family history of heart disease, strokes and aneurysms. It's NOT a good thing to be uninsured or under insured!
     

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