The State of Palestine

[Ropey]

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While Israel is an established country in the United Nations and the squatters on the remaining dissolved partition land have finally, after sixty years, declared a virtual state with no borders since it is virtual.

PF declares there is no Israel and the "Palestinians" declare that their state is non real and exists only in the virtual realm.

 

[P F Tinmore]

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While Israel is an established country in the United Nations and the squatters on the remaining dissolved partition land have finally, after sixty years, declared a virtual state with no borders since it is virtual.

PF declares there is no Israel and the "Palestinians" declare that their state is non real and exists only in the virtual realm.

Don't pay any attention to anything Abbas says. He left the government in June of 2007.

 

[Ropey]

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While Israel is an established country in the United Nations and the squatters on the remaining dissolved partition land have finally, after sixty years, declared a virtual state with no borders since it is virtual.

PF declares there is no Israel and the "Palestinians" declare that their state is non real and exists only in the virtual realm.

Don't pay any attention to anything Abbas says. He left the government in June of 2007.

I'll pay attention to what is happening and the virtual state has been declared. I don't pay attention to you telling me to not pay attention to what's actually happening.

If I did that I'd start thinking like you PF. Thanks, but no thanks.

 

[SAYIT]

PF Tinhorn:
There are some major differences.

One very significant difference, Oh Pompous One ... Israel's declaration was widely recognized and the Pal's -- then known as "Arabs" -- was not. It's really pretty simple when one deals with reality. You should try it sometime.

Israel -- 23,000 days of statehood and still winning!
"Palestine" -- 0 days of statehood and still whining!

 

[Hossfly]

So they basically did what the Jews did. They just did it 5 months later(Israel was declared at 14 May 1948).And the Jews didn't claim the whole of Palestine ...

There are some major differences.

Palestine was declared by natives with the right to self determination.
Israel was declared by foreigners without that right.

Palestine's population were natives.
Israel's population were recent imports.

Palestine has international borders.
Israel has none.

Now are you saying that Winston Churchill was a liar when he said that loads of Arabs had come into Israel from their poor surrounding countries for jobs? I think this would make sense to a normal thinking person since we are quite aware of all the Muslims from their poor countries coming into Europe for jobs and the Hispanics coming into America for jobs. By the way, can we have your thoughts about the UN saying that anyone in the area for only two years could be considered a refugee. Surely you don't think that anyone only in an area for two years is indigenous to that area.

 

[Ropey]

Pause for some ironic entertainment.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmffgIqlAYA]"The Three Terrors" - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Wolverine1984]

So they basically did what the Jews did. They just did it 5 months later(Israel was declared at 14 May 1948).And the Jews didn't claim the whole of Palestine ...

There are some major differences.

Palestine was declared by natives with the right to self determination.
Israel was declared by foreigners without that right.

Palestine's population were natives.
Israel's population were recent imports.

Palestine has international borders.
Israel has none.

Not even one valid point.

Israel were declared by citizens of Palestine mandate who have the right to self determination. (Just like the Palestinians)
You throw the 'self determination' term around , when this term never speaks about 'nativeness' or a right for a state.

Palestine is a geographical area , and has no international borders.
The mandate of Palestine had international borders but that is irrelevant to the discussion.

Israel does have borders , you just like banging your head against the wall hoping if you say something again and again and again it will become reality.

 

[P F Tinmore]

So they basically did what the Jews did. They just did it 5 months later(Israel was declared at 14 May 1948).And the Jews didn't claim the whole of Palestine ...

There are some major differences.

Palestine was declared by natives with the right to self determination.
Israel was declared by foreigners without that right.

Palestine's population were natives.
Israel's population were recent imports.

Palestine has international borders.
Israel has none.

Not even one valid point.

Israel were declared by citizens of Palestine mandate who have the right to self determination. (Just like the Palestinians)
You throw the 'self determination' term around , when this term never speaks about 'nativeness' or a right for a state.

Whenever the right to self determination is mentioned anywhere, it is related to natives, permanent populations, normal inhabitants, indigenous, etc.. Never are immigrants or foreigners ever mentioned.

But just for the sake of argument, let us assume that what you say is true. That all the natives and immigrants had the right to self determination. We would also have to assume that all the residents had equal rights to self determination. No group would have superior rights over another.

That would mean that all the natives and all the immigrants who obtained Palestinian citizenship had the right to form a government by democratic principles. That being the case, the creation of the Israeli government in Palestine was opposed by two thirds of the people.

Also, the right to self determination is without foreign intervention. Israel was imposed on Palestine by Britain and the World Zionist Organization. Both are foreign entities.

No matter how you look at it, Israel was illegally imposed on Palestine.

Palestine is a geographical area , and has no international borders.
The mandate of Palestine had international borders but that is irrelevant to the discussion.

Israel does have borders , you just like banging your head against the wall hoping if you say something again and again and again it will become reality.

 

[P F Tinmore]

So they basically did what the Jews did. They just did it 5 months later(Israel was declared at 14 May 1948).And the Jews didn't claim the whole of Palestine ...

There are some major differences.

Palestine was declared by natives with the right to self determination.
Israel was declared by foreigners without that right.

Palestine's population were natives.
Israel's population were recent imports.

Palestine has international borders.
Israel has none.

Not even one valid point.

Israel were declared by citizens of Palestine mandate who have the right to self determination. (Just like the Palestinians)
You throw the 'self determination' term around , when this term never speaks about 'nativeness' or a right for a state.

Palestine is a geographical area , and has no international borders.
The mandate of Palestine had international borders but that is irrelevant to the discussion.

Not true. Palestine exists separate from the mandate. The mandate was administrative assistance to Palestine.

In the 1949 armistice agreements, that took place about a year after the end of the mandate, Palestine was still there. The area of the mandate was determined by Palestine's international borders.

Israel does have borders , you just like banging your head against the wall hoping if you say something again and again and again it will become reality.

Not true. Israel is always shown on maps inside the 1949 armistice lines. (also known as the Green Line and '67 borders) The armistice lines were specifically not borders. The armistice lines are used because Israel has no borders. Israel does not recognize the armistice lines as its borders.

 

[georgephillip]

So they basically did what the Jews did. They just did it 5 months later(Israel was declared at 14 May 1948).And the Jews didn't claim the whole of Palestine ...

There are some major differences.

Palestine was declared by natives with the right to self determination.
Israel was declared by foreigners without that right.

Palestine's population were natives.
Israel's population were recent imports.

Palestine has international borders.
Israel has none.

Not even one valid point.

Israel were declared by citizens of Palestine mandate who have the right to self determination. (Just like the Palestinians)
You throw the 'self determination' term around , when this term never speaks about 'nativeness' or a right for a state.

Palestine is a geographical area , and has no international borders.
The mandate of Palestine had international borders but that is irrelevant to the discussion.

Israel does have borders , you just like banging your head against the wall hoping if you say something again and again and again it will become reality.

Israel was declared by one-third of the citizens of Mandate Palestine who then resorted to force of arms to inflict the Jewish state on the majority. Wouldn't legitimate self-determination have required a vote in 1948? Such an election might well have produced the only democracy in the Middle East.

 

[Ropey]

Israel was declared by one-third of the citizens of Mandate Palestine who then resorted to force of arms to inflict the Jewish state on the majority. Wouldn't legitimate self-determination have required a vote in 1948? Such an election might well have produced the only democracy in the Middle East.

There was no 'mandate Palestine' as it had been dissolved when Trans-Jordan was given ~78% of the partition. Once Israel accepted its portion and won land from wars of aggression, there were only parcels of non continuous land left and no Palestinian mandate.

All were and are considered squatters living in a virtual situation at this point in time.

Now. Where reality reins.

 

[GHook93]

There are some major differences.

Palestine was declared by natives with the right to self determination.
Israel was declared by foreigners without that right.

Palestine's population were natives.
Israel's population were recent imports.

Palestine has international borders.
Israel has none.

Not even one valid point.

Israel were declared by citizens of Palestine mandate who have the right to self determination. (Just like the Palestinians)
You throw the 'self determination' term around , when this term never speaks about 'nativeness' or a right for a state.

Palestine is a geographical area , and has no international borders.
The mandate of Palestine had international borders but that is irrelevant to the discussion.

Israel does have borders , you just like banging your head against the wall hoping if you say something again and again and again it will become reality.

Israel was declared by one-third of the citizens of Mandate Palestine who then resorted to force of arms to inflict the Jewish state on the majority. Wouldn't legitimate self-determination have required a vote in 1948? Such an election might well have produced the only democracy in the Middle East.

Is that your highschool drop out education your displaying. You admitted to be in your 60s and never have higher than a minimum wage job, yet your so enlightened. Please educate us!

 

[eots]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfE5jkdNrW4&feature=g-all-u&context=G2d519bfFAAAAAAAAOAA]Does Palestine have a right to exist - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Hossfly]

Does Palestine have a right to exist - YouTube

Palestinians have the right to exist if there are any. So far the Jordanians and Syrians living in Israel are calling themselves "Palestinian" but that's a gross canard. Word of the day-----Canard

 

[eots]

so where did all the jews come from ?

 

[Hossfly]

so where did all the jews come from ?

From they mommas?

 

[Hossfly]

so where did all the jews come from ?

Most of the Jews in Israel have come from other Middle East and African countries where they weren't really treated too nicely by the Muslims. Most of the Arabs came from poor surrounding Middle East countries when the Jews had jobs for them. If you were living in a poor country, wouldn't you attempt to go to another location where you could raise your standard of living?

JIMENA Memmi

 

[eots]

so where did all the jews come from ?

Most of the Jews in Israel have come from other Middle East and African countries where they weren't really treated too nicely by the Muslims. Most of the Arabs came from poor surrounding Middle East countries when the Jews had jobs for them. If you were living in a poor country, wouldn't you attempt to go to another location where you could raise your standard of living?

JIMENA Memmi

So most of the Jews came from else where to raise their standard of living and be treated better..I see

 

[eots]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDM2wFeRPHg]Israel Was Created By Terrorism 1 of 2 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Urbanguerrilla]

so where did all the jews come from ?

From Noo Yawk