The State of Palestine

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    Decisions of international and national tribunals

    The U.S. State Department Digest of International Law says that the terms of the Treaty of Lausanne provided for the application of the principles of state succession to the "A" Mandates. The Treaty of Versailles (1920) provisionally recognized the former Ottoman communities as independent nations. It also required Germany to recognize the disposition of the former Ottoman territories and to recognize the new states laid down within their boundaries. The Treaty of Lausanne required the newly created states that acquired the territory to pay annuities on the Ottoman public debt, and to assume responsibility for the administration of concessions that had been granted by the Ottomans. A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties. In its Judgment No. 5, The Mavrommatis Palestine Concessions, the Permanent Court of International Justice also decided that Palestine was responsible as the successor state for concessions granted by Ottoman authorities. The Courts of Palestine and Great Britain decided that title to the properties shown on the Ottoman Civil list had been ceded to the government of Palestine as an allied successor state.[16]

    Opinions of officials and legal scholars

    For John Quigley Palestine's existence as a state predates the 1988 declaration. Tracing Palestine's status as an international entity back to the collapse of the Ottoman Empire after World War I, he recalls that the Palestine Mandate (1918–1948), an arrangement made under Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, held as its "ultimate objective", the "self-determination and independence of the people concerned." He says that in explicitly referring to the Covenant, the 1988 declaration was reaffirming an existing Palestinian statehood.[126] Noting that Palestine under the Mandate entered into bilateral treaties, including one with Great Britain, the Mandatory power, he cites this as an example of its "sovereignty" at that time. He also notes the corollary of the Stimson Doctrine and the customary prohibition on the use of force contained in the Restatement of Foreign Relations Law of the United States, "[a]n entity does not necessarily cease to be a state even if all of its territory has been occupied by a foreign power".[86]

    States recognising the State of Palestine

    The exact number of countries recognizing the State of Palestine is unknown, due to the equivocal nature of many official statements of acknowledgment.[155] Many countries have a standing policy against making formal declarations that recognize new governments instead indicating their recognition of a state by doing business with its government.[105] Francis Boyle, legal advisor to the PLO, assisted the organization in drafting the 1988 Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Palestine. At that time, the United States was using its Foreign Assistance Act and other measures to discourage other countries and international organizations from extending recognition.[156] According to one author, by 1988, more than 100 countries had recognized Palestine.[157] Boyle reported in 1990 that the number was 114 states.[95] In 2005, Anat Kurz reported that 117 United Nations member states had formally recognised the state of Palestine as a sovereign state.[158] In 2010, Boyle reported that the number was 127.[159]

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    Wikipedia, tough source.

    Treaty of Lausanne, is not described correctly by wikipedia, or whatever you posted.

    The Treaty of Lausanne, 1912. Brought to an end the Turco-Ialian war. This is how the treaty is described. Accurately, and as "The Near East, A Modern History", by William Yale 1958 describes the treaty (one of my sources).

    A treaty that is not negotiated by the people is not a treaty for the people. No people from the Ottoman controlled Syria are present during the negotiation nor signing of The Treaty of Lausanne.

    If this treaty is of importance here is a link to the treaty, feel free to read it, quote the treaty, and make your point, I should not have to read wiki, my books, the treaty, to discover what specific section wiki is making a point about.

    The treaty had no bearing on the Jews return to Israel. If the treaty does please site where.

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    Again, so, and which part is relevant, this is a lawsuit between Greece and Britain, the mandatory government as defined in actions by the League of Nations which was a League of SOME nations. So what do you want to state about this document.

    http://www.worldcourts.com/pcij/eng/decisions/1924.08.30_mavrommatis/
     
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    The Palestine invented by the Romans when they renamed Judea, land of the Jews, Palaestina?

    You inventing bullshit, again?

    Middle East historian Bernard Lewis
    The Palestine that doesn't exist?

    Bernard Lewis...

     
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    You've got to love the way these idiots don't even bother to go to the original document and check the accuracy before they post:cuckoo:
     
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    The history was so simple, palestinians were hebrews who converted to christianism then ton Islam, a minority stay jews.
     
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    You just made that bullshit up, psycho.

    The general consensus among historians and archaeologists is so-called Palestinians descended from Arabs originating in the Arabian Peninsula.

    Palestinians are Arabs.
     
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    Semantics, I say Semitics.
     
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    I believe they were referencing article 47.

    ARTICLE 47.

    The Council of the Ottoman Public Debt shall, within three months from the coming into force of the present Treaty, determine, on the basis laid down by Articles 50 and 51, the amounts of the annuities for the loans referred to in Part A of the Table annexed to the present Section which are payable by each of the States concerned, and shall notify to them this amount.

    These States shall be granted an opportunity to send to Constantinople delegates to check the calculations made for this purpose by the Council of the Ottoman Public Debt.

    The Council of the Debt shall exercise the functions referred to in Article 134 of the Treaty of Peace with Bulgaria of the 27th November, 1919.

    Any disputes which may arise between the parties concerned as to the application of the principles laid down in the present Article shall be referred, not more than one month after the notification referred to in the first paragraph, to an arbitrator whom the Council of the League of Nations will be asked to appoint; this arbitrator shall give his decision within a period of not more than three months. The remuneration of the arbitrator shall be determined by the Council of the League of Nations, and shall, together with the other expenses of the arbitration, be borne by the parties concerned. The decisions of the arbitrator shall be final. The payment of the annuities shall not be suspended by the reference of any disputes to the above-mentioned arbitrator.

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