The single biggest problem with Obamacare.

[Brutus]

With the virtually unregulated capitalist hot rod market I have been unable to afford

too stupid and perfectly liberal!! UNREGULATED???????
unregulated??????????????????
Medicaid medicaid schip VA, insurance regulation, MD unions(AMA)
COBRA. See why we are positve the liberal is very very slow!!!


Capitalism creates the maximum pressure to lower price and increase quality!! America has more capitalism than anywhere and is richer than anywhere. China just did the experiment and instantly saved 20 million from slow liberal en masse starvation.

1+1=2 got it now??????????

 

[Toronado3800]

With the virtually unregulated capitalist hot rod market I have been unable to afford

too stupid and perfectly liberal!! UNREGULATED???????
unregulated??????????????????
Medicaid medicaid schip VA, insurance regulation, MD unions(AMA)
COBRA. See why we are positve the liberal is very very slow!!!


Capitalism creates the maximum pressure to lower price and increase quality!! America has more capitalism than anywhere and is richer than anywhere. China just did the experiment and instantly saved 20 million from slow liberal en masse starvation.

1+1=2 got it now??????????

Calm down.

U misunderstood.

With the unregulated market on performance multi port injection systems the price has not gone down in twenty years.

 

[Trajan]

The biggest problem is that it does not go far enough

It does not control costs

hummm, I seem to remember ...yes, lets see; bend the cost curve...?

Does not increase competition

I agree.

Does not include a public option

 

[Brutus]

With the unregulated market on performance multi port injection systems the price has not gone down in twenty years.

Too stupid !!!Of course if true it would be a great invitation to new competitors.Thats the wonderful thing about freedom. Also, you have to consider that some capitialists compete with their would-be competitors before they actually are competitiors.

 

[rdean]

It's anti-American in that it does not rely on free enterprise. This is because the liberal mind lacks the IQ to understand free enterprise.

Adding a profit motive to helping sick people is incredibly stupid. Are all right wingers this dumb? After watching these town halls, I guess not.

 

[Brutus]

With the unregulated market on performance multi port injection systems the price has not gone down in twenty years.

of course if true 1)perfect invitation to competitors 2) most prices go up because of liberal inflation and more features 3) smart capitalists compete with would-be competitors so they don't become actual competitions.

 

[Brutus]

Adding a profit motive to helping sick people is incredibly stupid.

1) 120 million died in USSR and Red China because no one had profit incentive to do anything.

2) see how many sign up to be MD's without big profit motive

3) without profits as guide posts you have no idea where to invest limited resources so you must guess as they did in USSR and Red China.


See why we are positive a liberal will have a low IQ?

 

[Toronado3800]

With the unregulated market on performance multi port injection systems the price has not gone down in twenty years.

of course if true 1)perfect invitation to competitors 2) most prices go up because of liberal inflation and more features 3) smart capitalists compete with would-be competitors so they don't become actual competitions.

Sorry for the overly complicated example of the technology driven field. Thought you could see the similarities to the medical industry.

Oh, so good capitalists eliminate competition to keep prices up. So u say we must eliminate pure capitalism with some leftist style controls I see or face runaway costs.

Seriously buddy. Why say all the mean hatefull things calling everyone stupid? You doing ok? Any problems in your personal life?

Did you ever think about reading up on proper discussion techniques? Debating and persuasion after you master that.

 

[rdean]

Adding a profit motive to helping sick people is incredibly stupid.

1) 120 million died in USSR and Red China because no one had profit incentive to do anything.

2) see how many sign up to be MD's without big profit motive

3) without profits as guide posts you have no idea where to invest limited resources so you must guess as they did in USSR and Red China.


See why we are positive a liberal will have a low IQ?

I'm "awed" at Republican logic and you are the complete package. Dumb, delusional, silly, ignorant and just plain weird all rolled up together. And some people think those without education have no imagination. Well, see how wrong they are? Delusion is definitely a form of imagination and you have both in "spades". Bravo!

 

[Toronado3800]

Adding a profit motive to helping sick people is incredibly stupid.

1) 120 million died in USSR and Red China because no one had profit incentive to do anything.

2) see how many sign up to be MD's without big profit motive

3) without profits as guide posts you have no idea where to invest limited resources so you must guess as they did in USSR and Red China.


See why we are positive a liberal will have a low IQ?

I'm "awed" at Republican logic and you are the complete package. Dumb, delusional, silly, ignorant and just plain weird all rolled up together. And some people think those without education have no imagination. Well, see how wrong they are? Delusion is definitely a form of imagination and you have both in "spades". Bravo!

Do you think there is anything I can say to help him along?

The fellow really doesnt even toe a pure open market line, he comes up loving anti trust laws and talking of how free market capitalists eliminate competition.

He'd be ok but he just likes to spout that random hate talk which makes him look silly, stupid, juvenile or mean.

 

[TheGutterMaster]

Why does everyone call this bill Obamacare? The only thing it regulates is health private health insurance. What about cutting administrative costs and getting rid of for-profit motives?

And how is this unconstitutional when it gives you a TAX DEDUCTION for not buying health insurance? There is a penalty for not getting insurance, but its not a mandate. Its a TAX and you receive a tax deduction for not buying insurance.

The word "mandate" isnt even mentioned in the bill. Its called "collective responsibility" because it doesnt actually force people to get insurance.

The fact that just two judges ruled it unconstitutional doesnt make its unconstitutionality official.

My friends, come on? Why cant we get a single payer system?

 

[editec]

In my opinion the biggest problem with it is that it doesn't solve the problem.

Neither does market forces.

I'm not really sure there is a solution to this problem.

Socialism really doesn't offer a solution and neither does capitalism.

 

[Chris]

It's anti-American in that it does not rely on free enterprise. This is because the liberal mind lacks the IQ to understand free enterprise.

Huh?

Healthcare reform requires that everyone buy insurance from health care corporations.

It is basically the same program the Republicans introduced in the 1990's.

 

[Toronado3800]

The bill is called Obamacare because it is the bill he basically made, with all of his promises. It is unconstitutional for government to get involved in economics, I've said this at least five times already, and yet people still ask how this bill is unconstitutional. Healthcare is not the governments issue, it is a private business to be regulated by the economy. So this bill basically taxes you for not buying something, that they shouldn't even be messing with.

I sort of agree. I also support an ammendment if necessary to make national healthcare legal.

Problem is the pecident system. Lastly Ashcroft liberally decided he Washington had the power to tell folks in Oregon the had to abide by his medical care decisions.

Before that a number of Presidents, most recently Bush and Reagan, liberally decided they had the right to effectively declare war.

And first, we have had a socialized healthcare system. Show up at the hospital broke with an appendix problem in 1960 and they treat you. Same in 1970, 1980, 1990 and through today. Only difference now is we are paying for this right to treatment before hand with forced national care not afterwards.

Should eliminate some of the taking advantage of the system.

Honesly I believe the healthcare math problem snuck up on folks who should have seen this coming soon as the medical profession became trustworthy and stopped bleeding folks to death.

 

[Brutus]

Sorry for the overly complicated example of the technology driven field. Thought you could see the similarities to the medical industry.

too stupid!!! A cat scan costs $1200 here and $200 in Japan! If we had Republican capitalist competition we could cut costs maybe 80%

Oh, so good capitalists eliminate competition to keep prices up.

too stupid! if you eliminate competition you only encourage new competition. The only way to win consistently is to have the best product at the lowest price. Is that really over your head.

So u say we must eliminate pure capitalism with some leftist style controls I see or face runaway costs.

too stupid!! pure capitalism controls cost perfectly as consumers shop among competitors for the lowest cost.

 

[Brutus]

Only difference now is we are paying for this right to treatment before hand with forced national care not afterwards.

thats not true of course! BO and Democrats are mostly about welfare. He is immediately adding 30 million to Medicaid. They are not paying diddly, but hey its only 30 million people or $300 billion a year!

 

[Brutus]

It's anti-American in that it does not rely on free enterprise. This is because the liberal mind lacks the IQ to understand free enterprise.

Huh?

Healthcare reform requires that everyone buy insurance from health care corporations.

It is basically the same program the Republicans introduced in the 1990's.

too stupid and perfectly liberal:

1) BO just added 30 million to Medicaid. They pay nothing!!

2) there is no Republican capitalist competition in health insurance because liberals made interstate competition illegal!

 

[Brutus]

It is unconstitutional for government to get involved in economics, I've said this at least five times already, and yet people still ask how this bill is unconstitutional.

you mean it should be found to be unconstitutional and I agree with you 100%. Unfortunatly, the liberals think of the Constitution as living, i.e., changing to mean whatever they want it to mean. Sadly, our Founders forgot to protect us sufficiently from liberals, even though it is clear they thought they had protected us from them.

 

[Toronado3800]

Sorry for the overly complicated example of the technology driven field. Thought you could see the similarities to the medical industry.

too stupid!!! A cat scan costs $1200 here and $200 in Japan! If we had Republican capitalist competition we could cut costs maybe 80%

Oh, so good capitalists eliminate competition to keep prices up.

too stupid! if you eliminate competition you only encourage new competition. The only way to win consistently is to have the best product at the lowest price. Is that really over your head.

So u say we must eliminate pure capitalism with some leftist style controls I see or face runaway costs.

too stupid!! pure capitalism controls cost perfectly as consumers shop among competitors for the lowest cost.

Stop changing lol. You said anti trust laws were necessary. You said companies try to eliminate competition unless the government steps in.

And for the love of god, at least buy a thersarus and get a different word than stupid. Repeating it so often sounds.....

 

[Brutus]

Stop changing lol. You said anti trust laws were necessary. You said companies try to eliminate competition unless the government steps in.

of course you are a liar! If I said that you'd show the quote.