The Right-Wing Doesn’t Want to Talk About Christian Atrocities, So Let’s Talk About them

[HaShev]

They still don't see Black, Asian, and Hispanics as Humans otherwise how do they explain showing nude tribes in their missionary footages on Evangelist TV?

 

[LittleNipper]

They still don't see Black, Asian, and Hispanics as Humans otherwise how do they explain showing nude tribes in their missionary footages on Evangelist TV?

Why are films shown of humans with tattoos? Why are films shown of people living in slums? Because this is where and how some people live! I don't wish to be critical; however, it is the evolutionists who see certain groups of people as at some stage of "early development". Christians see people in need of a SAVIOR. and that SAVIOR is the Messiah known to many as Our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[LittleNipper]

Perhaps what you see as "Christian" atrocities are actually CULTURAL atrocities --- carried out by people who are trying to be THE "Christian" or using that term to fit THEIR agenda. Rome was pagan before it called itself Christian. And yet their society at large didn't transform as a result of Constantine's say-so. It took centuries for real Christians to demonstrate Christian love and end self promotion of works.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Not my fault slavers were not followers of Christ, and not my credit those who outlawed slavery were followers of Christ.

But they were followers of Christ.

You can't just try and change history to suit your needs.

Yes, those that ended slavery were followers of Christ.

A very small percent of the overall Christian community were responsible for convincing the rest of us to stop owning slaves. Mostly we didn't like competing against slave labor. Much like we don't like illegal immigrants. Had less to do with us being richeous

Wilberforce started the ball rolling.
NonChristians had no significant role in ending slavery in Western Civilization.

But Christians had everything to do with owning raping even murdering slaves. Or are going to tell me Christian slave owners were the good ones who treated their animals well? That's right. They were able to convince themselves blacks weren't human. How? Because the bible told them so.

Of course you think Jesus taught to murder and rape. Youre a loony leftist hater living a useless life.

 

[sealybobo]

But they were followers of Christ.

You can't just try and change history to suit your needs.

Yes, those that ended slavery were followers of Christ.

A very small percent of the overall Christian community were responsible for convincing the rest of us to stop owning slaves. Mostly we didn't like competing against slave labor. Much like we don't like illegal immigrants. Had less to do with us being richeous

Wilberforce started the ball rolling.
NonChristians had no significant role in ending slavery in Western Civilization.

But Christians had everything to do with owning raping even murdering slaves. Or are going to tell me Christian slave owners were the good ones who treated their animals well? That's right. They were able to convince themselves blacks weren't human. How? Because the bible told them so.

Of course you think Jesus taught to murder and rape. Youre a loony leftist hater living a useless life.

Jesus is a mythical character. Even if he was a real guy, he didn't walk on water and mommy was not a virgin.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Yes, those that ended slavery were followers of Christ.

A very small percent of the overall Christian community were responsible for convincing the rest of us to stop owning slaves. Mostly we didn't like competing against slave labor. Much like we don't like illegal immigrants. Had less to do with us being richeous

Wilberforce started the ball rolling.
NonChristians had no significant role in ending slavery in Western Civilization.

But Christians had everything to do with owning raping even murdering slaves. Or are going to tell me Christian slave owners were the good ones who treated their animals well? That's right. They were able to convince themselves blacks weren't human. How? Because the bible told them so.

Of course you think Jesus taught to murder and rape. Youre a loony leftist hater living a useless life.

Jesus is a mythical character. Even if he was a real guy, he didn't walk on water and mommy was not a virgin.

You sure spend a lot of time and effort arguing against something that doesn't exist.

Not my fault your religion is based upon fiction.

 

[HaShev]

They still don't see Black, Asian, and Hispanics as Humans otherwise how do they explain showing nude tribes in their missionary footages on Evangelist TV?

Why are films shown of humans with tattoos? Why are films shown of people living in slums? Because this is where and how some people live! I don't wish to be critical; however, it is the evolutionists who see certain groups of people as at some stage of "early development". Christians see people in need of a SAVIOR. and that SAVIOR is the Messiah known to many as Our Lord Jesus Christ.

Agree they should be able to show them in their natural setting, however this becomes hypocritical and problematic when they harass naturalist photographers like
Sally Mann for doing the same for sake of her art. They see White Children and Adults in nature different then they see Black and Spanish and Pacific Rim Children & Adults thus they call one porn or nudist and the other they see as mere nude animals ok to show on national TV.
See my point?

 

[Weatherman2020]

They still don't see Black, Asian, and Hispanics as Humans otherwise how do they explain showing nude tribes in their missionary footages on Evangelist TV?

Why are films shown of humans with tattoos? Why are films shown of people living in slums? Because this is where and how some people live! I don't wish to be critical; however, it is the evolutionists who see certain groups of people as at some stage of "early development". Christians see people in need of a SAVIOR. and that SAVIOR is the Messiah known to many as Our Lord Jesus Christ.

Agree they should be able to show them in their natural setting, however this becomes hypocritical and problematic when they harass naturalist photographers like
Sally Mann for doing the same for sake of her art. They see White Children and Adults in nature different then they see Black and Spanish and Pacific Rim Children & Adults thus they call one porn or nudist and the other they see as mere nude animals ok to show on national TV.
See my point?

Link to one photo of a person on an evangelical site that I can't see at the beach.
Just one.

Haters are such lousy liars.

 

[HaShev]

A very small percent of the overall Christian community were responsible for convincing the rest of us to stop owning slaves. Mostly we didn't like competing against slave labor. Much like we don't like illegal immigrants. Had less to do with us being richeous

Wilberforce started the ball rolling.
NonChristians had no significant role in ending slavery in Western Civilization.

But Christians had everything to do with owning raping even murdering slaves. Or are going to tell me Christian slave owners were the good ones who treated their animals well? That's right. They were able to convince themselves blacks weren't human. How? Because the bible told them so.

Of course you think Jesus taught to murder and rape. Youre a loony leftist hater living a useless life.

Jesus is a mythical character. Even if he was a real guy, he didn't walk on water and mommy was not a virgin.

You sure spend a lot of time and effort arguing against something that doesn't exist.

.

You've made this comment and argument before, yet it's the very reason why someone should be speaking out. What of a whole town you moved to believed that wearing blue clothes was magical and saved them from diseases and protected them? And this belief harmed their community and children were dying from lack of medical care and comitting crimes because of the belief.
Would you not speak out?
Is that not the same as the warning in Isaiah 44?
Isaiah 44:10
Who hath formed a god, or molten a graven image that is profitable for nothing?

In Isiah44;9 It states they that make a graven image are all of them vanity and their delectable things shall not profit; and they are their own witnesses;(christians) they see not; nor know; that they may be ashamed. Still confused well here is some more. Isaiah44;13(notice it is 13) The carpenter(Who is that was Jesus not considered a carpenter) strecheth out his rule(over the world)he marketh it out with a line;he fitteth it with planes and he marketh it out with a compass, and maketh it after the fiqure of a man(JESUS);according to the beauty of a man;that it mat remain in the house(Maybe over your bed?) One more passage Isiah44;17 And the residue thereof he maketh a god(JESUS)Even his graven image(AGAIN JESUS);He falleth down unto it and worshippeth it. and prayeth unto it and saith Deliver me; for this art my god(JESUS).

 

[sealybobo]

A very small percent of the overall Christian community were responsible for convincing the rest of us to stop owning slaves. Mostly we didn't like competing against slave labor. Much like we don't like illegal immigrants. Had less to do with us being richeous

Wilberforce started the ball rolling.
NonChristians had no significant role in ending slavery in Western Civilization.

But Christians had everything to do with owning raping even murdering slaves. Or are going to tell me Christian slave owners were the good ones who treated their animals well? That's right. They were able to convince themselves blacks weren't human. How? Because the bible told them so.

Of course you think Jesus taught to murder and rape. Youre a loony leftist hater living a useless life.

Jesus is a mythical character. Even if he was a real guy, he didn't walk on water and mommy was not a virgin.

You sure spend a lot of time and effort arguing against something that doesn't exist.

Not my fault your religion is based upon fiction.

The entire premise is malarky. I was watching the priest and alter boys and canters all parade around in their little dresses/robes and I was looking around at all the sheeple in the audience.

I can tell my nephew won't be going to church when he gets older but I don't say anything to him while he is still a child. Which is bullshit. Why should theism get a 18 year head start on brainwashing the poor kids and then when they are 18 they are expected to think clearly or have an open mind? No way.

If the priest makes them repeat the lies every Sunday, eventually they don't even question the virgin birth story. It is SO obvious to me. But I live and let live.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Wilberforce started the ball rolling.
NonChristians had no significant role in ending slavery in Western Civilization.

But Christians had everything to do with owning raping even murdering slaves. Or are going to tell me Christian slave owners were the good ones who treated their animals well? That's right. They were able to convince themselves blacks weren't human. How? Because the bible told them so.

Of course you think Jesus taught to murder and rape. Youre a loony leftist hater living a useless life.

Jesus is a mythical character. Even if he was a real guy, he didn't walk on water and mommy was not a virgin.

You sure spend a lot of time and effort arguing against something that doesn't exist.

Not my fault your religion is based upon fiction.

The entire premise is malarky. I was watching the priest and alter boys and canters all parade around in their little dresses/robes and I was looking around at all the sheeple in the audience.

I can tell my nephew won't be going to church when he gets older but I don't say anything to him while he is still a child. Which is bullshit. Why should theism get a 18 year head start on brainwashing the poor kids and then when they are 18 they are expected to think clearly or have an open mind? No way.

If the priest makes them repeat the lies every Sunday, eventually they don't even question the virgin birth story. It is SO obvious to me. But I live and let live.

Oh, so you look at people to determine if God exists.
How feeble minded of you.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Wilberforce started the ball rolling.
NonChristians had no significant role in ending slavery in Western Civilization.

But Christians had everything to do with owning raping even murdering slaves. Or are going to tell me Christian slave owners were the good ones who treated their animals well? That's right. They were able to convince themselves blacks weren't human. How? Because the bible told them so.

Of course you think Jesus taught to murder and rape. Youre a loony leftist hater living a useless life.

Jesus is a mythical character. Even if he was a real guy, he didn't walk on water and mommy was not a virgin.

You sure spend a lot of time and effort arguing against something that doesn't exist.

.

You've made this comment and argument before, yet it's the very reason why someone should be speaking out. What of a whole town you moved to believed that wearing blue clothes was magical and saved them from diseases and protected them? And this belief harmed their community and children were dying from lack of medical care and comitting crimes because of the belief.
Would you not speak out?
Is that not the same as the warning in Isaiah 44?
Isaiah 44:10
Who hath formed a god, or molten a graven image that is profitable for nothing?

In Isiah44;9 It states they that make a graven image are all of them vanity and their delectable things shall not profit; and they are their own witnesses;(christians) they see not; nor know; that they may be ashamed. Still confused well here is some more. Isaiah44;13(notice it is 13) The carpenter(Who is that was Jesus not considered a carpenter) strecheth out his rule(over the world)he marketh it out with a line;he fitteth it with planes and he marketh it out with a compass, and maketh it after the fiqure of a man(JESUS);according to the beauty of a man;that it mat remain in the house(Maybe over your bed?) One more passage Isiah44;17 And the residue thereof he maketh a god(JESUS)Even his graven image(AGAIN JESUS);He falleth down unto it and worshippeth it. and prayeth unto it and saith Deliver me; for this art my god(JESUS).

You sure spend a lot of time and effort yelling at things you say don't exist.

 

[HaShev]

They still don't see Black, Asian, and Hispanics as Humans otherwise how do they explain showing nude tribes in their missionary footages on Evangelist TV?

Why are films shown of humans with tattoos? Why are films shown of people living in slums? Because this is where and how some people live! I don't wish to be critical; however, it is the evolutionists who see certain groups of people as at some stage of "early development". Christians see people in need of a SAVIOR. and that SAVIOR is the Messiah known to many as Our Lord Jesus Christ.

Agree they should be able to show them in their natural setting, however this becomes hypocritical and problematic when they harass naturalist photographers like
Sally Mann for doing the same for sake of her art. They see White Children and Adults in nature different then they see Black and Spanish and Pacific Rim Children & Adults thus they call one porn or nudist and the other they see as mere nude animals ok to show on national TV.
See my point?

Link to one photo of a person on an evangelical site that I can't see at the beach.
Just one.

Haters are such lousy liars.

First of all, I would not want to see any of those hungry heifer church ladies on the beach. *L*
Second we are talking about their TV ads and programs trying to get money to missionize third world nations so they can raise future donators as people get educated enough here not to send them money. And regarding pictures I saw recetly a disturbing photo of food starved kids with huge crosses. The money used for metal medallions to mark them in death, but not spent for a well or fishing net? What the hell?

 

[HaShev]

But Christians had everything to do with owning raping even murdering slaves. Or are going to tell me Christian slave owners were the good ones who treated their animals well? That's right. They were able to convince themselves blacks weren't human. How? Because the bible told them so.

Of course you think Jesus taught to murder and rape. Youre a loony leftist hater living a useless life.

Jesus is a mythical character. Even if he was a real guy, he didn't walk on water and mommy was not a virgin.

You sure spend a lot of time and effort arguing against something that doesn't exist.

.

You've made this comment and argument before, yet it's the very reason why someone should be speaking out. What of a whole town you moved to believed that wearing blue clothes was magical and saved them from diseases and protected them? And this belief harmed their community and children were dying from lack of medical care and comitting crimes because of the belief.
Would you not speak out?
Is that not the same as the warning in Isaiah 44?
Isaiah 44:10
Who hath formed a god, or molten a graven image that is profitable for nothing?

In Isiah44;9 It states they that make a graven image are all of them vanity and their delectable things shall not profit; and they are their own witnesses;(christians) they see not; nor know; that they may be ashamed. Still confused well here is some more. Isaiah44;13(notice it is 13) The carpenter(Who is that was Jesus not considered a carpenter) strecheth out his rule(over the world)he marketh it out with a line;he fitteth it with planes and he marketh it out with a compass, and maketh it after the fiqure of a man(JESUS);according to the beauty of a man;that it mat remain in the house(Maybe over your bed?) One more passage Isiah44;17 And the residue thereof he maketh a god(JESUS)Even his graven image(AGAIN JESUS);He falleth down unto it and worshippeth it. and prayeth unto it and saith Deliver me; for this art my god(JESUS).

You sure spend a lot of time and effort yelling at things you say don't exist.

So you admit he never existed or are you saying you are arguing over Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny?

 

[Weatherman2020]

They still don't see Black, Asian, and Hispanics as Humans otherwise how do they explain showing nude tribes in their missionary footages on Evangelist TV?

Why are films shown of humans with tattoos? Why are films shown of people living in slums? Because this is where and how some people live! I don't wish to be critical; however, it is the evolutionists who see certain groups of people as at some stage of "early development". Christians see people in need of a SAVIOR. and that SAVIOR is the Messiah known to many as Our Lord Jesus Christ.

Agree they should be able to show them in their natural setting, however this becomes hypocritical and problematic when they harass naturalist photographers like
Sally Mann for doing the same for sake of her art. They see White Children and Adults in nature different then they see Black and Spanish and Pacific Rim Children & Adults thus they call one porn or nudist and the other they see as mere nude animals ok to show on national TV.
See my point?

Link to one photo of a person on an evangelical site that I can't see at the beach.
Just one.

Haters are such lousy liars.

First of all, I would not want to see any of those hungry heifer church ladies on the beach. *L*
Second we are talking about their TV ads and programs trying to get money to missionize third world nations so they can raise future donators as people get educated enough here not to send them money. And regarding pictures I saw recetly a disturbing photo of food starved kids with huge crosses. The money used for metal medallions to mark them in death, but not spent for a well or fishing net? What the hell?

Link away. YouTube is free and has everything.
But you can't because your just a hater filled with lies.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Of course you think Jesus taught to murder and rape. Youre a loony leftist hater living a useless life.

Jesus is a mythical character. Even if he was a real guy, he didn't walk on water and mommy was not a virgin.

You sure spend a lot of time and effort arguing against something that doesn't exist.

.

You've made this comment and argument before, yet it's the very reason why someone should be speaking out. What of a whole town you moved to believed that wearing blue clothes was magical and saved them from diseases and protected them? And this belief harmed their community and children were dying from lack of medical care and comitting crimes because of the belief.
Would you not speak out?
Is that not the same as the warning in Isaiah 44?
Isaiah 44:10
Who hath formed a god, or molten a graven image that is profitable for nothing?

In Isiah44;9 It states they that make a graven image are all of them vanity and their delectable things shall not profit; and they are their own witnesses;(christians) they see not; nor know; that they may be ashamed. Still confused well here is some more. Isaiah44;13(notice it is 13) The carpenter(Who is that was Jesus not considered a carpenter) strecheth out his rule(over the world)he marketh it out with a line;he fitteth it with planes and he marketh it out with a compass, and maketh it after the fiqure of a man(JESUS);according to the beauty of a man;that it mat remain in the house(Maybe over your bed?) One more passage Isiah44;17 And the residue thereof he maketh a god(JESUS)Even his graven image(AGAIN JESUS);He falleth down unto it and worshippeth it. and prayeth unto it and saith Deliver me; for this art my god(JESUS).

You sure spend a lot of time and effort yelling at things you say don't exist.

So you admit he never existed or are you saying you are arguing over Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny?

How come you're not arguing that man landed on the moon, the earth is round, and Hillary is human? You must believe those conspiracies too.

 

[sealybobo]

Wilberforce started the ball rolling.
NonChristians had no significant role in ending slavery in Western Civilization.

But Christians had everything to do with owning raping even murdering slaves. Or are going to tell me Christian slave owners were the good ones who treated their animals well? That's right. They were able to convince themselves blacks weren't human. How? Because the bible told them so.

Of course you think Jesus taught to murder and rape. Youre a loony leftist hater living a useless life.

Jesus is a mythical character. Even if he was a real guy, he didn't walk on water and mommy was not a virgin.

You sure spend a lot of time and effort arguing against something that doesn't exist.

.

You've made this comment and argument before, yet it's the very reason why someone should be speaking out. What of a whole town you moved to believed that wearing blue clothes was magical and saved them from diseases and protected them? And this belief harmed their community and children were dying from lack of medical care and comitting crimes because of the belief.
Would you not speak out?
Is that not the same as the warning in Isaiah 44?
Isaiah 44:10
Who hath formed a god, or molten a graven image that is profitable for nothing?

In Isiah44;9 It states they that make a graven image are all of them vanity and their delectable things shall not profit; and they are their own witnesses;(christians) they see not; nor know; that they may be ashamed. Still confused well here is some more. Isaiah44;13(notice it is 13) The carpenter(Who is that was Jesus not considered a carpenter) strecheth out his rule(over the world)he marketh it out with a line;he fitteth it with planes and he marketh it out with a compass, and maketh it after the fiqure of a man(JESUS);according to the beauty of a man;that it mat remain in the house(Maybe over your bed?) One more passage Isiah44;17 And the residue thereof he maketh a god(JESUS)Even his graven image(AGAIN JESUS);He falleth down unto it and worshippeth it. and prayeth unto it and saith Deliver me; for this art my god(JESUS).

1. Believers are persecuted by atheists.
   Blue Laws. Anti-atheist laws. Discrimination against atheists. The written penalty for apostasy (leaving a religion) in most religions is death.
   
   Believers claim the victim and imply that non-theists gang up on them, or rally against them. No, atheists just look at believers the same way they might look at someone who claims the Earth is flat, or that the Earth is the centre of the universe: delusional.
   
   The bar theists set for perceived atheist hostility appears to be anyone simply voicing a dissenting opinion or mentioning an inclination towards non-belief. Claiming ‘persecution’ is simply a deflection for theists who are unwilling or unable to deal with open criticism.
   
   When Atheists aren’t considered the least trustworthy [PDF] group and comprise more than 70% of the population, then we’ll talk about persecution.
   
   
   
   
   
   
2. Why can’t atheists just leave theists alone?
   • Because religion has been, and continues to be, responsible for countless horrorsthroughout human history. See also: Religiously motivated animosity, violence andoppression and discrimination.
   • For all the problems we face as a society, many theists choose not only to do nothing to help, but actually engage in sabotage by actively preventing solutions from being instigated, usually by supporting irrational political positions e.g. stem-cell research, contraception, women’s rights, sexual equality and even global warming.
   • Because belief in a god taps into mankind’s natural tendency to defer moral decision making to authority figures (including priests, prophets, holy books, popes, ayatollahs and imams). Acting out ‘God’s plan’ or ‘God’s will’ is a sure-fire way to absolve one’s-self of responsibility for one’s actions. See also: Cituke.
   • Because as a functional member of society it benefits everyone if your decision making process is founded on evidence and reason, not on superstition. Faith isn’t a virtue; it is the glorification of voluntary ignorance.
   • Because religious superstition erects an absolute monarchy in a person’s mind. It teaches them to be satisfied with with not understanding the world and represents a surrendering to ignorance under the pretension of ‘devine knowledge’. Many of the greatest thinkers in human history have been repressed, sometimes forcefully, by those with faith. It is not skeptics or explorers but fanatics and ideologues who menace decency and progress. See also: Hypatia, Galileo Galilei, Giordano Bruno,The relationship between science and religion.
   Note: The common theist response “Those people aren’t really [insert religion]” is an example of the No True Scotsman fallacy. If all the Christians who have called other Christians ‘not really a Christian’ were to vanish, there’d be no Christians left.
   
   See also: The Ethics of Belief (a must read).
   
   “Men never commit evil so fully and joyfully as when they do it for religious convictions.” – Blaise Pascal
   
   “No belief held by one man, however seemingly trivial the belief, and however obscure the believer, is ever actually insignificant or without its effect on the fate of mankind” – William Clifford
   
   
3. Militant atheists are just as bad as religious ones.
   No, they’re not. There are no calls for slavery, rape or murder in the atheist holy book.
   
   Atheists are most often called ‘militant’ when they passionately defend reason and advocate critical thinking. The bar theists set for perceived hostility appears to be any atheist simply voicing an opinion in dissent of religious belief. In contrast, the bar atheists set for perceived theistic hostility is any form of religiously motivated violence or oppression.
   
   Atheism does not preclude someone from being argumentative or insensitive; those things are simply seen as being preferable to killing one another over an imaginary friend.
   
   A ‘militant’ atheist will debate in a University theatre or appeal for the separation of religion and government. A militant theist will kill doctors, stone women to death,incite religious war, restrict sexual and gender equality and convince children they areflawed and worthless – all under the instruction of their imagined ‘god’ or holy book.
   
   It can be argued that there is no such thing as a ‘militant’ atheist, that the term is itself a misnomer, because there is simply no ideology or philosophy in atheism to be militant about. If an atheist is someone who lacks belief in gods, then a ‘militant’ atheist is apparently someone who passionately lacks a belief in gods. All other possible beliefs and ideologies – including any desire to oppress theism – come from outside atheism. This is in contrast to religious belief, which often includes a set of laws and commandments purportedly derived from a supernatural source about which one can be ‘militant’.
   
   Note: ‘Militant’ atheism is most often confused with gosateizm (state atheism), which was based on the ideology of Marxism-Leninism. It was this ideology which was responsible for the oppression and murder of theists under several 20th century communist regimes. Atheism is simply a lack of belief in gods with no inherit moral, political or philosophical baggage.
   
   See also: The Ethics of Belief (a must read), Richard Dawkins on Militant Atheism,Christian Terrorism, Islamic Terrorism, Atheist Terrorism (no link found).
   
   “I’m sorry if my insensitivity towards your beliefs offends you. But guess what – your religious wars, jihads, crusades, inquisitions, censoring of free speech, brainwashing of children, forcing girls into underage marriages, female genital mutilation, stoning, pederasty, homophobia and rejection of science and reason offend me. So I guess we’re even.” – Anonymous
   
   
   
   
   

 

[Weatherman2020]

But Christians had everything to do with owning raping even murdering slaves. Or are going to tell me Christian slave owners were the good ones who treated their animals well? That's right. They were able to convince themselves blacks weren't human. How? Because the bible told them so.

Of course you think Jesus taught to murder and rape. Youre a loony leftist hater living a useless life.

Jesus is a mythical character. Even if he was a real guy, he didn't walk on water and mommy was not a virgin.

You sure spend a lot of time and effort arguing against something that doesn't exist.

.

You've made this comment and argument before, yet it's the very reason why someone should be speaking out. What of a whole town you moved to believed that wearing blue clothes was magical and saved them from diseases and protected them? And this belief harmed their community and children were dying from lack of medical care and comitting crimes because of the belief.
Would you not speak out?
Is that not the same as the warning in Isaiah 44?
Isaiah 44:10
Who hath formed a god, or molten a graven image that is profitable for nothing?

In Isiah44;9 It states they that make a graven image are all of them vanity and their delectable things shall not profit; and they are their own witnesses;(christians) they see not; nor know; that they may be ashamed. Still confused well here is some more. Isaiah44;13(notice it is 13) The carpenter(Who is that was Jesus not considered a carpenter) strecheth out his rule(over the world)he marketh it out with a line;he fitteth it with planes and he marketh it out with a compass, and maketh it after the fiqure of a man(JESUS);according to the beauty of a man;that it mat remain in the house(Maybe over your bed?) One more passage Isiah44;17 And the residue thereof he maketh a god(JESUS)Even his graven image(AGAIN JESUS);He falleth down unto it and worshippeth it. and prayeth unto it and saith Deliver me; for this art my god(JESUS).

1. Believers are persecuted by atheists.
   Blue Laws. Anti-atheist laws. Discrimination against atheists. The written penalty for apostasy (leaving a religion) in most religions is death.
   
   Believers claim the victim and imply that non-theists gang up on them, or rally against them. No, atheists just look at believers the same way they might look at someone who claims the Earth is flat, or that the Earth is the centre of the universe: delusional.
   
   The bar theists set for perceived atheist hostility appears to be anyone simply voicing a dissenting opinion or mentioning an inclination towards non-belief. Claiming ‘persecution’ is simply a deflection for theists who are unwilling or unable to deal with open criticism.
   
   When Atheists aren’t considered the least trustworthy [PDF] group and comprise more than 70% of the population, then we’ll talk about persecution.
   
   
   
   
   
   
2. Why can’t atheists just leave theists alone?
   • Because religion has been, and continues to be, responsible for countless horrorsthroughout human history. See also: Religiously motivated animosity, violence andoppression and discrimination.
   • For all the problems we face as a society, many theists choose not only to do nothing to help, but actually engage in sabotage by actively preventing solutions from being instigated, usually by supporting irrational political positions e.g. stem-cell research, contraception, women’s rights, sexual equality and even global warming.
   • Because belief in a god taps into mankind’s natural tendency to defer moral decision making to authority figures (including priests, prophets, holy books, popes, ayatollahs and imams). Acting out ‘God’s plan’ or ‘God’s will’ is a sure-fire way to absolve one’s-self of responsibility for one’s actions. See also: Cituke.
   • Because as a functional member of society it benefits everyone if your decision making process is founded on evidence and reason, not on superstition. Faith isn’t a virtue; it is the glorification of voluntary ignorance.
   • Because religious superstition erects an absolute monarchy in a person’s mind. It teaches them to be satisfied with with not understanding the world and represents a surrendering to ignorance under the pretension of ‘devine knowledge’. Many of the greatest thinkers in human history have been repressed, sometimes forcefully, by those with faith. It is not skeptics or explorers but fanatics and ideologues who menace decency and progress. See also: Hypatia, Galileo Galilei, Giordano Bruno,The relationship between science and religion.
   Note: The common theist response “Those people aren’t really [insert religion]” is an example of the No True Scotsman fallacy. If all the Christians who have called other Christians ‘not really a Christian’ were to vanish, there’d be no Christians left.
   
   See also: The Ethics of Belief (a must read).
   
   “Men never commit evil so fully and joyfully as when they do it for religious convictions.” – Blaise Pascal
   
   “No belief held by one man, however seemingly trivial the belief, and however obscure the believer, is ever actually insignificant or without its effect on the fate of mankind” – William Clifford
   
   
3. Militant atheists are just as bad as religious ones.
   No, they’re not. There are no calls for slavery, rape or murder in the atheist holy book.
   
   Atheists are most often called ‘militant’ when they passionately defend reason and advocate critical thinking. The bar theists set for perceived hostility appears to be any atheist simply voicing an opinion in dissent of religious belief. In contrast, the bar atheists set for perceived theistic hostility is any form of religiously motivated violence or oppression.
   
   Atheism does not preclude someone from being argumentative or insensitive; those things are simply seen as being preferable to killing one another over an imaginary friend.
   
   A ‘militant’ atheist will debate in a University theatre or appeal for the separation of religion and government. A militant theist will kill doctors, stone women to death,incite religious war, restrict sexual and gender equality and convince children they areflawed and worthless – all under the instruction of their imagined ‘god’ or holy book.
   
   It can be argued that there is no such thing as a ‘militant’ atheist, that the term is itself a misnomer, because there is simply no ideology or philosophy in atheism to be militant about. If an atheist is someone who lacks belief in gods, then a ‘militant’ atheist is apparently someone who passionately lacks a belief in gods. All other possible beliefs and ideologies – including any desire to oppress theism – come from outside atheism. This is in contrast to religious belief, which often includes a set of laws and commandments purportedly derived from a supernatural source about which one can be ‘militant’.
   
   Note: ‘Militant’ atheism is most often confused with gosateizm (state atheism), which was based on the ideology of Marxism-Leninism. It was this ideology which was responsible for the oppression and murder of theists under several 20th century communist regimes. Atheism is simply a lack of belief in gods with no inherit moral, political or philosophical baggage.
   
   See also: The Ethics of Belief (a must read), Richard Dawkins on Militant Atheism,Christian Terrorism, Islamic Terrorism, Atheist Terrorism (no link found).
   
   “I’m sorry if my insensitivity towards your beliefs offends you. But guess what – your religious wars, jihads, crusades, inquisitions, censoring of free speech, brainwashing of children, forcing girls into underage marriages, female genital mutilation, stoning, pederasty, homophobia and rejection of science and reason offend me. So I guess we’re even.” – Anonymous
   
   
   

I'll bake a cake on that.

You can inform the 165 million murdered by their own atheist governments in the past century.

 

[hadit]

I find it interesting that the same people who accuse Christians of not following Christ also consider people who do not follow Christ to be Christians. A Christian follows Christ, someone who doesn't follow Christ, therefore, should not be considered a Christian.

IOW, the following do NOT make one a Christian:

1. Grandma said she was a Christian.
2. You're a white American.
3. Everyone around you says they are Christians.
4. You're not a Muslim or a Jew.
5. An internet keyboard jockey who is under spiritual conviction and desperate to ascribe evil to the name of Christ hears about something bad you did and says you are a Christian.

 

[PK1]

Perhaps what you see as "Christian" atrocities are actually CULTURAL atrocities --- carried out by people who are trying to be THE "Christian" or using that term to fit THEIR agenda.

You hit the "nail" (pun intended) right on the hand!
RELIGION is a CULTURAL phenomenon that reflects IGNORANCE, hence "blind faith".

In science, we call it "God of the gaps" that feebly tries to explain unknowns in the current states of knowledge.
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