The Republicans filibuster for Big Oil

[Ravi]

I wonder, can a state request the federal government declare a Federal disaster area over this issue and receive Federal aid?

 

[DiamondDave]

Obama had the real and immediate solution to high gas prices....conservation.

And how did the asshole Republicans react to that? They made fun of conservation! They made fun of the only real and immediate solution to our problem. They are the biggest bunch of fucking assholes I have ever seen.

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Is Gore, or Clinton, or Obama conserving? No... they would love to dictate to you to ride bikes or wear sweaters or use hand fans, all the while they use energy like Wilma Flintstone used her charge card... those are the biggest assholes that can be seen.. well, besides those that sheepishly follow them like messiahs

Conservation is NOT the total solution.... research and advancement into efficiency needs to be put in combination with more drilling and refining for short and near term relief and long term efforts into making the alternative fuels and energies viable in the vast scope that they need to be for the future

 

[Chris]

Is Gore, or Clinton, or Obama conserving? No... they would love to dictate to you to ride bikes or wear sweaters or use hand fans, all the while they use energy like Wilma Flintstone used her charge card... those are the biggest assholes that can be seen.. well, besides those that sheepishly follow them like messiahs

Conservation is NOT the total solution.... research and advancement into efficiency needs to be put in combination with more drilling and refining for short and near term relief and long term efforts into making the alternative fuels and energies viable in the vast scope that they need to be for the future

No, conservation is the immediate solution, not the total one. We waste an enormous amount of energy. Obama was smart to suggest that, and he was correct. The Republicans fear conservation because it effects their oil company masters.

Here is a quote from CNN this morning...

"Oil prices have fallen sharply in recent weeks on worries that high prices are starting to cut into demand."

 

[DiamondDave]

No... conservation is NOT the immediate solution.. it is part of future solutions... and forced conservation is not going to happen unless you get your forms of totalitarian rule... you going to check to make sure every house does not have windows open a crack, and whisk away the conservation violators? You going to force someone who likes their house temp at 75 in the winter to comply to whatever standard you set?

Give me a break...

Here is a quote from CNN this morning...

"Oil prices have fallen sharply in recent weeks on worries that high prices are starting to cut into demand."

And whom from CNN...???

because by all means... if we had a $0.10 drop in gas prices, it had to be because of what you wish it to be, and not a combination of factors

Republicans or Conservatives do not fear conservation... just hypocritical mandates and gestapo enforceable hindrances on a person's freedom

 

[sealybobo]

Is there anything more symbolic than Republican politicians debating in the dark for Big Oil?

Since they have been in the dark for most of there lives....

The Democrats have proposed 4 solutions that would lower gas prices. The GOP said NO to every one.

Oh, and Obama saying he would consider drilling offshore? I love it! He said what I said yesterday. He would consider it, IF they share it with America and not sell it on the world market.

The Dems tried to pass a bill that dealt with speculation. The GOP said NO!

The dems wanted to give Americans the oil companies windfall profits. The GOP said NO!

Their only solution is to give the oil companies what they want and HOPE they share. LOL.

 

[Ravi]

Forced conservation?

Obama should sell it like a patriotic duty, just like Bush sold fear of going boom as a reason to invade Iraq.

 

[Ravi]

IF they share it with America and not sell it on the world market.

This wouldn't work. It would just cause the world market to raise their prices.

 

[sealybobo]

This wouldn't work. It would just cause the world market to raise their prices.

No it would not. American Oil companies sell on the world market what they have right now. If we give them NEW oil fields, they can take some of it of the world market and just sell it at home for cheap.

Saudi Arabia and Iraq and Iran sell their oil cheap to their citizens and sell the rest on the world market.

Yes we can!

 

[Ravi]

No it would not. American Oil companies sell on the world market what they have right now. If we give them NEW oil fields, they can take some of it of the world market and just sell it at home for cheap.

Saudi Arabia and Iraq and Iran sell their oil cheap to their citizens and sell the rest on the world market.

Yes we can!

Sorry, if our demand goes down from the world market, the other oil sellers aren't going to twiddle their thumbs and accept a lower profit.

 

[sealybobo]

Sorry, if our demand goes down from the world market, the other oil sellers aren't going to twiddle their thumbs and accept a lower profit.

What? If demand goes down, won't prices too?

Thanks for the idea. Yes, this will have a double positive affect.

If we are buying less, then supply will go up!

 

[DiamondDave]

The Democrats have proposed 4 solutions that would lower gas prices. The GOP said NO to every one.

Oh, and Obama saying he would consider drilling offshore? I love it! He said what I said yesterday. He would consider it, IF they share it with America and not sell it on the world market.

The Dems tried to pass a bill that dealt with speculation. The GOP said NO!

The dems wanted to give Americans the oil companies windfall profits. The GOP said NO!

Their only solution is to give the oil companies what they want and HOPE they share. LOL.

1) How is Obama going to change the world market for oil?
2) The government is going to control how things are bought and sold... hmmm... what is that called again??
3) Wealth redistribution is part of what government control system that is not based on freedom and liberty.... what is that called again?


Obama is not presenting solutions for a free society....

 

[editec]

I wonder, can a state request the federal government declare a Federal disaster area over this issue and receive Federal aid?

Perhaps, if Congress find the time, they might look into it.

I'm told that of the 50,000 households in Maine likely to be eligible for home heating assistance, and that perhaps there's enough money to help 10,000 households IF congress increases the amount of help they're willing to send to Maine.

And those households, if they're lucky enough to get any aid at all, will get $417 to offset the rising price of oil, for the year.

My heating bill in 2006 (oil at $1.39) was about $970

In 2007 it was about $2,023 (oil at $2.89)

I'm told that I can expect to pay about $4.50 a gallon this season meaning that my annual cost for heat and hot water will be about $3,150

All this assumes an average winter, of course.

A bad winter could change the amount of fuel needed by 25%, and bear in mind that if it is a particularly cold winter, and more people need more fuel to stay alive, the cost of home heating oil naturally rises.

Pray for a warm winter, folks.

$417 dollars is about what it cost me to keep my house warm for three weeks in January last year when oil was about $2.89 a gallon.

 

[Ravi]

If demand goes up, prices will go down, as we've seen. But the reason demand is down is because we can't afford to buy gas, not because we are supplying ourselves. It'd be a totally different thing. It could only work if we could supply ourselves totally, like the Saudis are able to do for their country.

Also, what makes you think oil companies would agree to sell something to us cheaper than they could elsewhere? As things are right now, they break profit records every quarter...they have no need to be altruistic.

 

[DiamondDave]

What? If demand goes down, won't prices too?

Thanks for the idea. Yes, this will have a double positive affect.

If we are buying less, then supply will go up!

Except OPEC controls how much is released to artificially control supply and prices


but nice try

 

[Ravi]

Editec, I was thinking about a different route for relief. Congress isn't even involved. Your gov can ask the president to declare a federal disaster area, just like every other state does when there is a disaster.

I'm just not sure if it would work.

 

[sealybobo]

1) How is Obama going to change the world market for oil?
2) The government is going to control how things are bought and sold... hmmm... what is that called again??
3) Wealth redistribution is part of what government control system that is not based on freedom and liberty.... what is that called again?


Obama is not presenting solutions for a free society....

So just keep taking it in the ass for capitalism so you can feel good about yourself stupid.

I can't explain anything to a rock.

 

[Chris]

No... conservation is NOT the immediate solution.. it is part of future solutions... and forced conservation is not going to happen unless you get your forms of totalitarian rule... you going to check to make sure every house does not have windows open a crack, and whisk away the conservation violators? You going to force someone who likes their house temp at 75 in the winter to comply to whatever standard you set?

Give me a break...



And whom from CNN...???

because by all means... if we had a $0.10 drop in gas prices, it had to be because of what you wish it to be, and not a combination of factors

Republicans or Conservatives do not fear conservation... just hypocritical mandates and gestapo enforceable hindrances on a person's freedom

Oh! I'm afraid! Someone is going to force me to turn my thermostat down! Honestly, where do you get this shit?

We are in a national emergency. The President should have gone on televsion with a multifaced plan to reduce our dependence on foreign oil which included immediate conservation measures. Obama has such a plan. Bush has none.

Gas prices have dropped .35 a gallon on falling demand, I don't know where you made up that .10 a gallon from.


CNNMoney.com Pre-Market Report - Aug. 5, 2008

 

[Chris]

1) How is Obama going to change the world market for oil?
2) The government is going to control how things are bought and sold... hmmm... what is that called again??
3) Wealth redistribution is part of what government control system that is not based on freedom and liberty.... what is that called again?


Obama is not presenting solutions for a free society....

Why do you lie?

Barack Obama | Change We Can Believe In | Energy

 

[DiamondDave]

So just keep taking it in the ass for socialism so you can feel good about yourself stupid.

I can't explain anything to a rock.


wow... I see how easy it is for your simplistic mind to come up with such great rational retorts... so much easier than dealing with reality and logical thinking...

on second thought... I'll stick with reality and continue to let you look stupid

 

[DiamondDave]

Why do you lie?

Barack Obama | Change We Can Believe In | Energy

He is not presenting any solutions for a free society... he is presenting forms of control... which is based on what kind of government???