The Republicans filibuster for Big Oil

[DiamondDave]

Oh! I'm afraid! Someone is going to force me to turn my thermostat down! Honestly, where do you get this shit?

We are in a national emergency. The President should have gone on televsion with a multifaced plan to reduce our dependence on foreign oil which included immediate conservation measures. Obama has such a plan. Bush has none.

Gas prices have dropped .35 a gallon on falling demand, I don't know where you made up that .10 a gallon from.


CNNMoney.com Pre-Market Report - Aug. 5, 2008

In my area.. down $0.10... simple observation

And again... how are you or Obama going to FORCE your energy compliance... and who is going to ensure Obama and the rest of his ilk are held to the same standards?

Get real

 

[sealybobo]

If demand goes up, prices will go down, as we've seen. But the reason demand is down is because we can't afford to buy gas, not because we are supplying ourselves. It'd be a totally different thing. It could only work if we could supply ourselves totally, like the Saudis are able to do for their country.

Also, what makes you think oil companies would agree to sell something to us cheaper than they could elsewhere? As things are right now, they break profit records every quarter...they have no need to be altruistic.

They can't have our offshores unless they give SOME of it to us. The rest they can sell on the world market. Win Win.

Boy, you are making it sound like the oil companies are in control, not us. I say we are in control. If they don't work with us, I'm sure we can find someone else that will. But they won't, not when they have McCain backing them and not us. They just gave McCain a couple million dollars for his campaign by the way.

So are you saying that if we move to partially ethonol, battery, solar, wind, etc. are you saying that if we aren't TOTALLY supplying ourselves with energy, then the world oil market will jack up prices to make up for what we no longer buy from them? I don't buy that for a minute.

And if they do, even more reason why we should socialize our oil and say fuck the world market.

 

[sealybobo]

He is not presenting any solutions for a free society... he is presenting forms of control... which is based on what kind of government???

Our government is in control dave, not the oil companies. Our founding fathers didn't start this country so companies could have free reign.

You want free markets, even if they aren't fair. You think the oil companies can fuck Americans because it's a free market! What a house slave you are. What kind of bitch are you???

America isn't anything goes. Someone else already told you before that America has some bits of socialism incorporated into how our government operates and some capitalism. Why do I have to tell you again? Did you not believe that person?

Do you not understand that???? Why are you so anti socialism? Probably because you didn't get anything out of your school system, clearly.

 

[sealybobo]

Except OPEC controls how much is released to artificially control supply and prices


but nice try

So then supply and demand is a lie and you are a liar??

So Opec is in the drivers seat?

So then we should just give them anwar and offshore for cheap, hell, for free?

And just hope this lowers gas prices?

But based on everything you guys have just said, the only thing they go by when determining gas prices is HOW MUCH DO YOU HAVE IN YOUR MOTHER FUCKING POCKETS!!!!

You absolutely make zero sense. But nice try. This is why you guys make me angry. You are so full of shit. It's like talking to the insane. Try making sense to them is like trying with you, idiots.

 

[sealybobo]

Why do you lie?

Barack Obama | Change We Can Believe In | Energy

Dave wants the oil companies to be free.....to enslave us. LOL.

 

[Chris]

In my area.. down $0.10... simple observation

And again... how are you or Obama going to FORCE your energy compliance... and who is going to ensure Obama and the rest of his ilk are held to the same standards?

Get real

The solution to the problem is simple. You develop solar power, wind power, conservation, and domestic oil production. That's it. Other countries like Denmark and Israel are doing it, we can do it too. We just need new leadership.

 

[Ravi]

are you saying that if we aren't TOTALLY supplying ourselves with energy, then the world oil market will jack up prices to make up for what we no longer buy from them?

Yes

 

[DiamondDave]

Our government is in control dave, not the oil companies. Our founding fathers didn't start this country so companies could have free reign.

You want free markets, even if they aren't fair. You think the oil companies can fuck Americans because it's a free market! What a house slave you are. What kind of bitch are you???

America isn't anything goes. Someone else already told you before that America has some bits of socialism incorporated into how our government operates and some capitalism. Why do I have to tell you again? Did you not believe that person?

Do you not understand that???? Why are you so anti socialism? Probably because you didn't get anything out of your school system, clearly.

neither is "in control"

I want free markets with opportunities... with that freedom comes the right and ability to succeed, as well as the right and the ability to fail.... the positives come with the negatives... but it is upon the individual to make the best of his or her abilities and decisions...

Why am I so anti-socialism??... because it is an unrealistic control based system that in no way will work with human nature.. human nature where one likes to reap the benefits of their efforts.... where incentive to succeed drives progress... where success breeds generosity, VOLUNTARY generosity for people to help and not FORCED generosity of socialist control of wealth redistribution... because we are not a hive full of mindless drones with no better existence than to serve the elite leader... because socialist government will only work with the controllable. Because it will only work with slaves, robots, and prisoners, since they are the ones that can be easily controlled and kept without the incentive to do better for one's self and one's family

 

[sealybobo]

Yes

Then don't ever tell me about supply and demand again.

They will raise the prices to as much as they think they can get away with.

And giving them Anwar and Offshore won't lower gas prices. But NOT giving them those things will raise prices.

I'm done talking with you guys about this. Bitches. Fools.

If this is true, then yes, I am a socialist. Now don't come lock me up like you did the Commys.

 

[DiamondDave]

The solution to the problem is simple. You develop solar power, wind power, conservation, and domestic oil production. That's it. Other countries like Denmark and Israel are doing it, we can do it too. We just need new leadership.

And that development in the scale that we need and the efficiency that we need is not currently there... so while we continue those strides to get there, we also have to deal with the near term and that is to use the oil resources we have in front of us to make this the best that we can until the point where we can build more nuke plants, wind plants, wave energy plants, etc in a quantity of supply that will be sufficient for decades and centuries to come

 

[DiamondDave]

yes, I am a socialist. .

Finally.. a rational and correct statement by bobo the clown

 

[Ravi]

Then don't ever tell me about supply and demand again.

They will raise the prices to as much as they think they can get away with.

And giving them Anwar and Offshore won't lower gas prices. But NOT giving them those things will raise prices.

I'm done talking with you guys about this. Bitches. Fools.

If this is true, then yes, I am a socialist. Now don't come lock me up like you did the Commys.

sigh

I'm just trying to be realistic, Bobo. The only way it might possibly work is if the government itself drills for oil and gives it to us. Even then, there still wouldn't be enough to slake our thirst and we'd still have to buy the rest on the world market at prices THEY get to set.

IMO, the best thing to do is use solar and wind as much as possible and use oil as a back up when the wind doesn't blow or the sun doesn't shine. And encourage companies to develop alternatives.

 

[sealybobo]

neither is "in control"

I want free markets with opportunities... with that freedom comes the right and ability to succeed, as well as the right and the ability to fail.... the positives come with the negatives... but it is upon the individual to make the best of his or her abilities and decisions...

Why am I so anti-socialism??... because it is an unrealistic control based system that in no way will work with human nature.. human nature where one likes to reap the benefits of their efforts.... where incentive to succeed drives progress... where success breeds generosity, VOLUNTARY generosity for people to help and not FORCED generosity of socialist control of wealth redistribution... because we are not a hive full of mindless drones with no better existence than to serve the elite leader... because socialist government will only work with the controllable. Because it will only work with slaves, robots, and prisoners, since they are the ones that can be easily controlled and kept without the incentive to do better for one's self and one's family

 

[DiamondDave]

yes.. you have shown you are...

Keep dealing with your socialist and marxist pipe dreams... keep dealing with manipulated statistics from biased sources... much easier than dealing with facts and reality

 

[busara]

yes.. you have shown you are...

Keep dealing with your socialist and marxist pipe dreams... keep dealing with manipulated statistics from biased sources... much easier than dealing with facts and reality

hehe, the 'i know you are, but what i am?' comeback.

anyway, i feel we should drill more here, provided that the companies have to sell it in the country. i dont want to go all out and tap every source to the fullest, just to get the ball rolling so in 10 years they'll be ready for use. i want this done in conjunction with moving heavily toward alternative fuels and cutting consumption. more solar, wind, geothermal, and nuclear power. biofuels/electric for cars, better mass transit. then we can use our own oil for whatever we still need it for

 

[AllieBaba]

But the environmentalists and hand wringers don't like nuclear power...or we'd already be oil-independent. Nor do they like us managing forests....

 

[AllieBaba]

And biofuels are not going to step up to the plate, period. You have to have huge amounts of roughage, which we don't, and processing it pollutes ground water.

 

[sealybobo]

yes.. you have shown you are...

Keep dealing with your socialist and marxist pipe dreams... keep dealing with manipulated statistics from biased sources... much easier than dealing with facts and reality

If you don't listen to Air America or Nova M Radio, you don't even know the facts. The fact is, you are being lied to and manipulated.

They are very clever about it too. Sometimes you guys even stump me. But then I go home and on the ride I listen to how exactly you have distorted the facts to spin them the way you want.

Oh, and don't let me give you credit. You are just a mouth piece.

The fact is, I don't want socialism. I want government controls on Corporations who have purchased our politicians. That means voting in Obama, because he isn't completely tainted yet.

And remember, the media are Corporate owned too.

 

[AllieBaba]

That post is so scary.......

 

[DiamondDave]

If you don't listen to Air America or Nova M Radio, you don't even know the facts. The fact is, you are being lied to and manipulated.

They are very clever about it too. Sometimes you guys even stump me. But then I go home and on the ride I listen to how exactly you have distorted the facts to spin them the way you want.

Oh, and don't let me give you credit. You are just a mouth piece.

The fact is, I don't want socialism. I want government controls on Corporations who have purchased our politicians. That means voting in Obama, because he isn't completely tainted yet.

And remember, the media are Corporate owned too.

Air America etc dealing in FACTS??? Oh... that is RICH

You are indeed turning into one of the robots that socialism needs