The Republican Health Care Proposal: Your non partisan opinion of its merits

[Baruch Menachem]

We keep on hearing that the Republicans are just being obstructive, but the Republcan proposal has been around for a long time, and the Dems just wont go for any part of it.


Here are some basic parts to it. I have other things I would like to see as well, but this is the basis for discussion.

1. No mandates for special coverages that folks wouldn't buy on their own. IE, Slacker insurane and the like
2. Expanded Health Savings Acccunt High Deductible plans
3. tort reform to make sure there is a better match with causation, harm and compensation.
4. basic plans available nationwide and nationwide competion on plans
5. wider choice in what you want to insure and what you don't need to insure. Why are gay guys mandated to buy pregnancy insurance?

My own idea that I thin we should try is medicare and medicare users would have the option to buy private insurance through the program, along the same rules as above, so they wouldn't have to go through the state for payment. The could build up HSA balances as well. The states and the Federal government have a miserable record of payment and mind bending stupid coding rules that are probably 75% of the cost of providing health care for these patients.

This is my plan and the Republican plan. Is there any of this you like or dislike and why

 

[Oddball]

Said it before, I'll say it again....

Declare medical insurance a free field of interstate commerce and Katie bar the door.

 

[Baruch Menachem]

I want to bump this one more time.

We kept on hearing from the Democrats that the Republicans didn't have a plan. They did. Here it is. Does no one, even the Republicans, want to discuss these ideas?

 

[sboyle24]

Here is the Republican obstruction method in action against the Republican Health Care bill! This is a socialist bill, and will run this country dry long before any of it's citizens will see the benefits. The country likely couldn't handle a bill like this. There will be death committees who decide who lives and who dies.

 

[Joe Steel]

Here are some basic parts to it. I have other things I would like to see as well, but this is the basis for discussion.

1. No mandates for special coverages that folks wouldn't buy on their own. IE, Slacker insurane and the like
2. Expanded Health Savings Acccunt High Deductible plans
3. tort reform to make sure there is a better match with causation, harm and compensation.
4. basic plans available nationwide and nationwide competion on plans
5. wider choice in what you want to insure and what you don't need to insure. Why are gay guys mandated to buy pregnancy insurance?

They're all bad ideas.

1. Everyone should have insurance whether he wants it or not. The community won't allow anyone to die for lack of insurance so we'll have to pay for the slackers who can't pay for their own health care.

2. Health Savings Accounts distort the insurance market. They take young and healthier persons out and leave older and less healthy. That raises costs. As matters of good risk management and public policy,the market should be as larger as possible.

3. "Tort reform" is a scam. It has been proven to have little effect on health care costs and health care access.

4. Nationwide marketing allows health insurance companies to drive health insurance regulation to the lowest possible level by shopping-around to find the most lenient state.

5. I don't think that's an issue. As far I as I know, men aren't forced to buy pregnancy insurance.

 

[uscitizen]

Yeah buy only what you need. Why was the RNC paying for Abortion coverage?

 

[California Girl]

Here are some basic parts to it. I have other things I would like to see as well, but this is the basis for discussion.

1. No mandates for special coverages that folks wouldn't buy on their own. IE, Slacker insurane and the like
2. Expanded Health Savings Acccunt High Deductible plans
3. tort reform to make sure there is a better match with causation, harm and compensation.
4. basic plans available nationwide and nationwide competion on plans
5. wider choice in what you want to insure and what you don't need to insure. Why are gay guys mandated to buy pregnancy insurance?

They're all bad ideas.

1. Everyone should have insurance whether he wants it or not. The community won't allow anyone to die for lack of insurance so we'll have to pay for the slackers who can't pay for their own health care.

2. Health Savings Accounts distort the insurance market. They take young and healthier persons out and leave older and less healthy. That raises costs. As matters of good risk management and public policy,the market should be as larger as possible.

3. "Tort reform" is a scam. It has been proven to have little effect on health care costs and health care access.

4. Nationwide marketing allows health insurance companies to drive health insurance regulation to the lowest possible level by shopping-around to find the most lenient state.

5. I don't think that's an issue. As far I as I know, men aren't forced to buy pregnancy insurance.

Where, in the Constitution, does it grant congress the power to force Americans to buy something? That is an outrage!

 

[Joe Steel]

Here are some basic parts to it. I have other things I would like to see as well, but this is the basis for discussion.

1. No mandates for special coverages that folks wouldn't buy on their own. IE, Slacker insurane and the like
2. Expanded Health Savings Acccunt High Deductible plans
3. tort reform to make sure there is a better match with causation, harm and compensation.
4. basic plans available nationwide and nationwide competion on plans
5. wider choice in what you want to insure and what you don't need to insure. Why are gay guys mandated to buy pregnancy insurance?

They're all bad ideas.

1. Everyone should have insurance whether he wants it or not. The community won't allow anyone to die for lack of insurance so we'll have to pay for the slackers who can't pay for their own health care.

2. Health Savings Accounts distort the insurance market. They take young and healthier persons out and leave older and less healthy. That raises costs. As matters of good risk management and public policy,the market should be as larger as possible.

3. "Tort reform" is a scam. It has been proven to have little effect on health care costs and health care access.

4. Nationwide marketing allows health insurance companies to drive health insurance regulation to the lowest possible level by shopping-around to find the most lenient state.

5. I don't think that's an issue. As far I as I know, men aren't forced to buy pregnancy insurance.

Where, in the Constitution, does it grant congress the power to force Americans to buy something? That is an outrage!

First Amendment; ...redress of grievances.

The American People have declared the lack of health care to be a grievance and have ordered Congress to redress it.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

We keep on hearing that the Republicans are just being obstructive, but the Republcan proposal has been around for a long time, and the Dems just wont go for any part of it.


Here are some basic parts to it. I have other things I would like to see as well, but this is the basis for discussion.

1. No mandates for special coverages that folks wouldn't buy on their own. IE, Slacker insurane and the like
2. Expanded Health Savings Acccunt High Deductible plans
3. tort reform to make sure there is a better match with causation, harm and compensation.
4. basic plans available nationwide and nationwide competion on plans
5. wider choice in what you want to insure and what you don't need to insure. Why are gay guys mandated to buy pregnancy insurance?

My own idea that I thin we should try is medicare and medicare users would have the option to buy private insurance through the program, along the same rules as above, so they wouldn't have to go through the state for payment. The could build up HSA balances as well. The states and the Federal government have a miserable record of payment and mind bending stupid coding rules that are probably 75% of the cost of providing health care for these patients.

This is my plan and the Republican plan. Is there any of this you like or dislike and why

Maybe now some of the republicans plans can at least get debated in the senate. I made a thread a while back about it i'll give you the link below.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/healt...nce-republican-health-care-plans-exposed.html

 

[Baruch Menachem]

First Amendment; ...redress of grievances.

The American People have declared the lack of health care to be a grievance and have ordered Congress to redress it.

You Occidolts sock puppet?

Some folks want it, lots of folks don't.

And just because some folks want some thing, it does not mean it has to be provided. I want a new car. does that mean congress will give me a new one every year?

We talk. Sometimes we listen. And maybe when we do both we can get some where.

@US Citizen... Where did you read that the RNC was providing abortion coverage?

 

[Oddball]

Where, in the Constitution, does it grant congress the power to force Americans to buy something? That is an outrage!

First Amendment; ...redress of grievances.

The American People have declared the lack of health care to be a grievance and have ordered Congress to redress it.

 

[midcan5]

Answers to all your questions on UHC

Almost every president since Teddy Roosevelt recognized the need for healthcare in America.

Exceptions were Reagan and the Bushs.

After defeating President Clinton’s attempt to improve healthcare for all Americans, the republicans did nothing. They will do nothing again. Nothing.

In a real sense our government already manages healthcare through regulatory structure. Would you go to any quack or unlicensed doctor?

Do we as concerned citizens want corporations, the AMA, the insurance companies, and the hospitals having total control over healthcare choices? Citizens, average working people sure don’t. So yes, we need more competition even if it is government pulling some strings to help all Americans.

What loss of personal liberty is there if everyone can easily obtain healthcare. Not having it is a real loss of freedom and liberty.

If freedom means anything, it means freedom from fear that an illness will destroy your savings and your life. If freedom means anything it means options that you make, not insurers whose motive is profit. To some your death is cheaper than your care.

In the corporate world competition is actually agreement among the plutocracy or economic oligarchy. Choice is limited to all except the wealthy already. To them your death is cheaper than your care.

The Constitution thankfully misses a lot of things and we then can fill in the blanks based on what works best. It is a excellent guide not a rule. The time has come for universal healthcare.

The majority of Americans want UHC, oddly worded survey questions created by interest groups are hardly the place for a decision on something so critical to our small businesses and to all of us.

Yes, government can do things well. Consider the following: The military is excellent, although I have to say they could save money too having been there, done that. And veterans health services are darn good and well run. Medicare helps so many.

Social security is excellent for lots of Americans. For a few cents the postal service gets my packages to me and from me. The internet works well. Weather forecasting is excellent as are the communications satellites. And I don’t know about you but I love those backroads that make travel in America educational and fun. Police help too, our money is insured, food is safe, and planes are safe, the museums, national parks, and all that history. All good stuff.

Many Republicans naysayers are corporate tools. Consider only their billion dollar bailouts to the banks and then consider their opposition to minimum wage. Make sense to you?

And consider these statistics.

“Nearly 46 million Americans, or 18 percent of the population under the age of 65, were without health insurance in 2007, the latest government data available.

“The number of uninsured rose 2.2 million between 2005 and 2006 and has increased by almost 8 million people since 2000.

“The large majority of the uninsured (80 percent) are native or naturalized citizens.

“The increase in the number of uninsured in 2006 was focused among working age adults. The percentage of working adults (18 to 64) who had no health coverage climbed from 19.7 percent in 2005 to 20.2 percent in 2006.1 Nearly 1.3 million full-time workers lost their health insurance in 2006.”

Do corporations always do the right thing or even care for the people? If they did would this debate still be going on after nearly eighty years? Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower, Nixon, and others realized we needed it long ago.

Government is all the people expressing themselves. Corporations are elitist boards whose sole goal is profit and your care matters not at all. It used to be that healthcare insurers were non profit. Add profit to any picture and soon a cheap employee on a video conference call will manage your operation. OK, joke there.

Do the executives making millions really care that the working person has no healthcare? To some your death is cheaper than your care. Your are only a number, a liability to some.

There are no saints in this picture, but concern and empathy, and that great America spirit are all missing in the picture of ‘this is hard’, ‘this is too costly,’ ‘we can’t do this!’ Bah humbug, we can do it if we care about America.

UHC is required now for a free and prosperous America. (repost)

 

[Baruch Menachem]

That is all very nice.... but what do you think of the propositions? As the saying goes, yesterday is a different country. What do you think of the Republican version of reform?

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

That is all very nice.... but what do you think of the propositions? As the saying goes, yesterday is a different country. What do you think of the Republican version of reform?

I like a lot of the ideas they put forth

http://www.usmessageboard.com/healt...nce-republican-health-care-plans-exposed.html

 

[Jay Canuck]

the GOP had 8 years as I recall to reform healthcare and what got done?- sweet fuck all. There is no plan.

 

[rdean]

We keep on hearing that the Republicans are just being obstructive, but the Republcan proposal has been around for a long time, and the Dems just wont go for any part of it.


Here are some basic parts to it. I have other things I would like to see as well, but this is the basis for discussion.

1. No mandates for special coverages that folks wouldn't buy on their own. IE, Slacker insurane and the like
2. Expanded Health Savings Acccunt High Deductible plans
3. tort reform to make sure there is a better match with causation, harm and compensation.
4. basic plans available nationwide and nationwide competion on plans
5. wider choice in what you want to insure and what you don't need to insure. Why are gay guys mandated to buy pregnancy insurance?

My own idea that I thin we should try is medicare and medicare users would have the option to buy private insurance through the program, along the same rules as above, so they wouldn't have to go through the state for payment. The could build up HSA balances as well. The states and the Federal government have a miserable record of payment and mind bending stupid coding rules that are probably 75% of the cost of providing health care for these patients.

This is my plan and the Republican plan. Is there any of this you like or dislike and why

A health care plan ISN'T five sentences. 5 sentences are call slogans or talking points, NOT a plan

 

[manu1959]

Here is the Republican obstruction method in action against the Republican Health Care bill! This is a socialist bill, and will run this country dry long before any of it's citizens will see the benefits. The country likely couldn't handle a bill like this. There will be death committees who decide who lives and who dies.

gee that was productive.....creating a giant new buracracy and an increase in taxes to pay for it seems odd....

the health care system exists...the insurance industry exists....what not creat a financial incentive to the existing medical and insurance companies to sell insurance and health care to the uninsured....and what not provide a tax break to the individual that is buying this insurance....and allow insurance to be sold nationwide not just statewide....

a national pool if you will rather than a state pool...

file a tax return and a w-2 and you get health insurance....

nah i got i better idea....lets tax the rich the insurance companies and the medical profession to create a fund, to build a buracracy, to make people buy insurance from the newly formed government insurance company....

soon everyone will have a line on their pay stub for national health care tax...same as we do for medicare and social security....neither of which actually provide complete coverage which is why you have to set up an ira or a 401k and by suplemental health insurance....

it is only an illusion that the government will take care of you.....

 

[Old Rocks]

There are a great many successful programs out there right now. They are serving all their citizens, at about 1/2 the per citizen cost in the US.

And I find it hard to believe that the Republicans will do anything at all that is positive for the average citizen in regards to health care. They had eight years to do something other than make sure that the insurance companies got filthy rich denying claims.

And I do not see anything in those five points that would address the hundreds of thousands of American Families that go bankrupt because of medical bills every year, well over 50
% of them having insurance. Or anything that would address pre-existing conditions.

 

[Baruch Menachem]

They're all bad ideas.

1. Everyone should have insurance whether he wants it or not. The community won't allow anyone to die for lack of insurance so we'll have to pay for the slackers who can't pay for their own health care.

2. Health Savings Accounts distort the insurance market. They take young and healthier persons out and leave older and less healthy. That raises costs. As matters of good risk management and public policy,the market should be as larger as possible.

3. "Tort reform" is a scam. It has been proven to have little effect on health care costs and health care access.

4. Nationwide marketing allows health insurance companies to drive health insurance regulation to the lowest possible level by shopping-around to find the most lenient state.

5. I don't think that's an issue. As far I as I know, men aren't forced to buy pregnancy insurance.

Where, in the Constitution, does it grant congress the power to force Americans to buy something? That is an outrage!

First Amendment; ...redress of grievances.

The American People have declared the lack of health care to be a grievance and have ordered Congress to redress it.

We keep on hearing that the Republicans are just being obstructive, but the Republcan proposal has been around for a long time, and the Dems just wont go for any part of it.


Here are some basic parts to it. I have other things I would like to see as well, but this is the basis for discussion.

1. No mandates for special coverages that folks wouldn't buy on their own. IE, Slacker insurane and the like
2. Expanded Health Savings Acccunt High Deductible plans
3. tort reform to make sure there is a better match with causation, harm and compensation.
4. basic plans available nationwide and nationwide competion on plans
5. wider choice in what you want to insure and what you don't need to insure. Why are gay guys mandated to buy pregnancy insurance?

My own idea that I thin we should try is medicare and medicare users would have the option to buy private insurance through the program, along the same rules as above, so they wouldn't have to go through the state for payment. The could build up HSA balances as well. The states and the Federal government have a miserable record of payment and mind bending stupid coding rules that are probably 75% of the cost of providing health care for these patients.

This is my plan and the Republican plan. Is there any of this you like or dislike and why

A health care plan ISN'T five sentences. 5 sentences are call slogans or talking points, NOT a plan

Of course, the devil is in the details, but every plan starts out with an outline. Are you opposed to what is in the outline? Do you think these are good talking points or just brain farts?

 

[Oddball]

There are a great many successful programs out there right now.

Name 'em, along with your criteria for "success".

This oughtta be interesting.