The Reality That Awaits Women in Combat

[CMike]

The WH claims it won't lower the standards. However, if they don't lower the standards they will not get a significant number of women to fulfill their social experiment and feminist political agenda.

Therefore, I predict the standards will be lowered and thus the standards for combat soldiers will be lowered risking their lives.

Buy hey at least liberals can feel good and that's what it's all about.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The WH claims it won't lower the standards. However, if they don't lower the standards they will not get a significant number of women to fulfill their social experiment and feminist political agenda.

Therefore, I predict the standards will be lowered and thus the standards for combat soldiers will be lowered risking their lives.

Buy hey at least liberals can feel good and that's what it's all about.

The only agenda here is CMike's DNC secret operative agenda.

 

[Jimmy_Jam]

Women are just as self concerned are as men. If some of our men could have become pregnant to avoid deployment, the would have done it. I had to put one of our female E5s in a holding cell over night to catch her attention that she would do it the right way or she would separated from her family for a considerable time.

I agree that we have situations that will need to be worked through until we get it right.

Oh, believe me, I knew guys that I don't doubt for a second would have exploited pregnancy to escape deployment. The biological reality remains that women can and men cannot.

Overall I think it is one of the more fascinating developments in our ever evolving nation to come along, and I will certainly be following it.

 

[osa519]

Well since it is the time for them to join the combat, I would for them to undergo the same PFT standards males do, I do not want to hear that their bone structure are different or they have weaker upper body strength because I am pretty sure the're female body builders out there in the world. If you can't do it you can't join. The Military is cutting back on its service members saying only the ones with high scores and fitreps can stay in. So are we going all female now? Because last I check in the USMC women have a lower physical standard test then males which means they are offered to do less then their male counterparts and get better scores to help them get promotions as well as a better fitrep.
If we really want to make our military better we can start with making the females undergo the same Fitness test. "Just because you are a Lady Police Officer and the Academy gives you a break doesn't mean the criminals would too." - Former Marine/State Trooper Fredd from my home town Houston, TX.

petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/remove-gender-specifications-all-military-fitness-programs/Px1S3Mby
If you want to help make a difference please help Sign his petition! PLEASE.

 

[bodecea]

The WH claims it won't lower the standards. However, if they don't lower the standards they will not get a significant number of women to fulfill their social experiment and feminist political agenda.

Therefore, I predict the standards will be lowered and thus the standards for combat soldiers will be lowered risking their lives.

Buy hey at least liberals can feel good and that's what it's all about.

So? The military is not hurting for people right now.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Women are just as self concerned are as men. If some of our men could have become pregnant to avoid deployment, the would have done it. I had to put one of our female E5s in a holding cell over night to catch her attention that she would do it the right way or she would separated from her family for a considerable time.

I agree that we have situations that will need to be worked through until we get it right.

Oh, believe me, I knew guys that I don't doubt for a second would have exploited pregnancy to escape deployment. The biological reality remains that women can and men cannot.

Overall I think it is one of the more fascinating developments in our ever evolving nation to come along, and I will certainly be following it.

This is NOT an attempt to disparage anyone here. However, this is an excellent point that you made.

How many women, say, in the Navy for example, are suddenly "pregnant" when it is time for sea duty? I don't know the answer to this. How many female soldiers or marines do the same? Again, I have no idea, but I'm relatively certain that it happens. To what extent, I couldn't tell you.

The interesting point to ponder, however, is this: If a female can avoid deployment to a combat theater when pregnant, then shouldn't the husband (a soldier) of a female who has orders for deployment be able to claim his need to stay home and support his pregnant Wife?

Obviously it sounds shady, but I live by the idea of "What's good for the goose, is good for the gander". This is that "slippery slope" that we enter into when we dramatically change what has been the "norm" for hundreds of years.....

 

[JakeStarkey]

Women in the military has been the norm for a long, long time now.

They have proved they can handle it.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Women in the military has been the norm for a long, long time now.

They have proved they can handle it.

No one said a damn thing about being "in" the military. do us all a favor here and wake up. We're talking women in combat. And, if you think that has been the norm in the American military for a "long, long time now", then it's obvious that you have never served yourself. What? too good to serve your country?

 

[JakeStarkey]

What world do you live in ? Either participate helpfully or do your crow trick and fly away, hmmm?

Women have been in combat increasingly since Bosnia. They have done well. They will do well in the future. They were in combat when we invaded Iraq then Afghanistan.

I am far more qualified than you to discuss that, having served in the airborne infantry for a number of years then commanded men and women in combat support services.

You clearly have no idea of what you natter about.

 

[ArmyCowboy]

Women in the military has been the norm for a long, long time now.

They have proved they can handle it.

No one said a damn thing about being "in" the military. do us all a favor here and wake up. We're talking women in combat. And, if you think that has been the norm in the American military for a "long, long time now", then it's obvious that you have never served yourself. What? too good to serve your country?

You're aware that women are taking part in combat ops as we speak, and have been since the insurgency began in Iraq, right?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Women in the military has been the norm for a long, long time now.

They have proved they can handle it.

No one said a damn thing about being "in" the military. do us all a favor here and wake up. We're talking women in combat. And, if you think that has been the norm in the American military for a "long, long time now", then it's obvious that you have never served yourself. What? too good to serve your country?

You're aware that women are taking part in combat ops as we speak, and have been since the insurgency began in Iraq, right?

RandallFlagg is letting his philosophy get in the way of his facts is all.

 

[RandallFlagg]

What world do you live in ? Either participate helpfully or do your crow trick and fly away, hmmm?

Women have been in combat increasingly since Bosnia. They have done well. They will do well in the future. They were in combat when we invaded Iraq then Afghanistan.

I am far more qualified than you to discuss that, having served in the airborne infantry for a number of years then commanded men and women in combat support services.

You clearly have no idea of what you natter about.

Oh really? I'll sit patiently and wait for your example of ONE woman who holds the PMOS of either 11B, 19k, 11C, 11D, or any other combat arms MOS. JUST ONE. When you find this woman, let the Pentagon know.

Now, as a 97B myself, tell me the units that had women fighting in them in Bosnia, you clown. Again, I'll alert the pentagon as to the women who were serving in combat arms at the time. I'm sure that unaware of that.

Commanded men.....uh-huh. Of course you did. I jumped from the towers at Benning, qualified over jump zone 5 at Benning and wore wings on my Class As, as well as the CIB my entire time in the military mister.

YOU are the clown clamoring on and on here.

If you are so hell-bent on lying, make your story believable.

 

[ArmyCowboy]

What world do you live in ? Either participate helpfully or do your crow trick and fly away, hmmm?

Women have been in combat increasingly since Bosnia. They have done well. They will do well in the future. They were in combat when we invaded Iraq then Afghanistan.

I am far more qualified than you to discuss that, having served in the airborne infantry for a number of years then commanded men and women in combat support services.

You clearly have no idea of what you natter about.

Oh really? I'll sit patiently and wait for your example of ONE woman who holds the PMOS of either 11B, 19k, 11C, 11D, or any other combat arms MOS. JUST ONE. When you find this woman, let the Pentagon know.

Now, as a 97B myself, tell me the units that had women fighting in them in Bosnia, you clown. Again, I'll alert the pentagon as to the women who were serving in combat arms at the time. I'm sure that unaware of that.

Commanded men.....uh-huh. Of course you did. I jumped from the towers at Benning, qualified over jump zone 5 at Benning and wore wings on my Class As, as well as the CIB my entire time in the military mister.

YOU are the clown clamoring on and on here.

If you are so hell-bent on lying, make your story believable.

Since 97B ceased to exist as an MOS years ago, I'll asume you haven't been in the military in a long time and have no idea what combat ops currently look like.

However, I will give you a hint, a Soldier does not have to hold a combat MOS to be in combat, especially in COIN.

I am curious of one thing though, as a counter-intelligence specialist, you're not authorized to wear a CIB. How exactly did you pull that off?

 

[Politico]

When we did reach Baghdad, we were in shambles. We had not showered in well over a month

A month to get to Bagdad? What did you get lost in the desert or something?

Woman have already been serving in combat.

Never misses a photo op does he?

 

[RandallFlagg]

What world do you live in ? Either participate helpfully or do your crow trick and fly away, hmmm?

Women have been in combat increasingly since Bosnia. They have done well. They will do well in the future. They were in combat when we invaded Iraq then Afghanistan.

I am far more qualified than you to discuss that, having served in the airborne infantry for a number of years then commanded men and women in combat support services.

You clearly have no idea of what you natter about.

Oh really? I'll sit patiently and wait for your example of ONE woman who holds the PMOS of either 11B, 19k, 11C, 11D, or any other combat arms MOS. JUST ONE. When you find this woman, let the Pentagon know.

Now, as a 97B myself, tell me the units that had women fighting in them in Bosnia, you clown. Again, I'll alert the pentagon as to the women who were serving in combat arms at the time. I'm sure that unaware of that.

Commanded men.....uh-huh. Of course you did. I jumped from the towers at Benning, qualified over jump zone 5 at Benning and wore wings on my Class As, as well as the CIB my entire time in the military mister.

YOU are the clown clamoring on and on here.

If you are so hell-bent on lying, make your story believable.

Since 97B ceased to exist as an MOS years ago, I'll asume you haven't been in the military in a long time and have no idea what combat ops currently look like.

However, I will give you a hint, a Soldier does not have to hold a combat MOS to be in combat, especially in COIN.

I am curious of one thing though, as a counter-intelligence specialist, you're not authorized to wear a CIB. How exactly did you pull that off?

you are absolutely correct. I joined the Army in January of 1966 and left In 1986. I joined as an 11B, did a tour in Viet-Nam, wounded at Quang Tri and in 1972 switched to 97B. I went to WO School at Fort Huachuca, trained at Fort Dietrich and Bolling AFB, and served at Heidleberg, Mannheim, Berlin and at 5 different consulates in Eastern Europe. I retired as a Chief Warrant Officer in July 1986.

I RARELY ever had to dress in Class As, but when the occasion arose, My wings and my CIB were on my uniform, a well as my Combat Unit, And unit Citations.

Additionally, I completely understand that the military has changed. I ave no doubt that women have killed the enemy with their weapons. However, as of YET, there are no women serving in any combat MOS.

Answer your question?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yes, Randall Flagg, it is obvious that you are old school and you are still trapped in it.

Women do not need to have a combat MOS skill to be in combat. They have been in combat since Bosnia.

You are aware of that, aren't you?

 

[JakeStarkey]

What world do you live in ? Either participate helpfully or do your crow trick and fly away, hmmm?

Women have been in combat increasingly since Bosnia. They have done well. They will do well in the future. They were in combat when we invaded Iraq then Afghanistan.

I am far more qualified than you to discuss that, having served in the airborne infantry for a number of years then commanded men and women in combat support services.

You clearly have no idea of what you natter about.

Oh really? I'll sit patiently and wait for your example of ONE woman who holds the PMOS of either 11B, 19k, 11C, 11D, or any other combat arms MOS. JUST ONE. When you find this woman, let the Pentagon know.

Now, as a 97B myself, tell me the units that had women fighting in them in Bosnia, you clown. Again, I'll alert the pentagon as to the women who were serving in combat arms at the time. I'm sure that unaware of that.

Commanded men.....uh-huh. Of course you did. I jumped from the towers at Benning, qualified over jump zone 5 at Benning and wore wings on my Class As, as well as the CIB my entire time in the military mister.

YOU are the clown clamoring on and on here.

If you are so hell-bent on lying, make your story believable.

How I am lying, troop? Women have participated in combat since Bosnia, they have participated in Iraq and AFghanistan. Do you deny that? If so, you are lying or nut. If not, then why are you putting your sister military?

If you acted like this on active duty, Chief Warrant, I would have you in front of the Corps or Division Chief of Staff to explain yourself.

 

[ArmyCowboy]

Oh really? I'll sit patiently and wait for your example of ONE woman who holds the PMOS of either 11B, 19k, 11C, 11D, or any other combat arms MOS. JUST ONE. When you find this woman, let the Pentagon know.

Now, as a 97B myself, tell me the units that had women fighting in them in Bosnia, you clown. Again, I'll alert the pentagon as to the women who were serving in combat arms at the time. I'm sure that unaware of that.

Commanded men.....uh-huh. Of course you did. I jumped from the towers at Benning, qualified over jump zone 5 at Benning and wore wings on my Class As, as well as the CIB my entire time in the military mister.

YOU are the clown clamoring on and on here.

If you are so hell-bent on lying, make your story believable.

Since 97B ceased to exist as an MOS years ago, I'll asume you haven't been in the military in a long time and have no idea what combat ops currently look like.

However, I will give you a hint, a Soldier does not have to hold a combat MOS to be in combat, especially in COIN.

I am curious of one thing though, as a counter-intelligence specialist, you're not authorized to wear a CIB. How exactly did you pull that off?

you are absolutely correct. I joined the Army in January of 1966 and left In 1986. I joined as an 11B, did a tour in Viet-Nam, wounded at Quang Tri and in 1972 switched to 97B. I went to WO School at Fort Huachuca, trained at Fort Dietrich and Bolling AFB, and served at Heidleberg, Mannheim, Berlin and at 5 different consulates in Eastern Europe. I retired as a Chief Warrant Officer in July 1986.

I RARELY ever had to dress in Class As, but when the occasion arose, My wings and my CIB were on my uniform, a well as my Combat Unit, And unit Citations.

Additionally, I completely understand that the military has changed. I ave no doubt that women have killed the enemy with their weapons. However, as of YET, there are no women serving in any combat MOS.

Answer your question?

Whether or not a woman is serving in a combat MOS is meaningless to the discussion.

Women, especially MPs and Medics, are on patrol on the streets of Afghanistan and were on patrol in Iraq and in these duties, served in combat. Many were wounded and some were killed in these ops.

There really aren't anymore "frontlines" per se, especially in counter insurgency operations. Therefore a Soldier, male or female, does not have to hold a traditional combat MOS to participate in combat ops on a regular basis.

 

[Tech_Esq]

Women in the military has been the norm for a long, long time now.

They have proved they can handle it.

No one said a damn thing about being "in" the military. do us all a favor here and wake up. We're talking women in combat. And, if you think that has been the norm in the American military for a "long, long time now", then it's obvious that you have never served yourself. What? too good to serve your country?

You're aware that women are taking part in combat ops as we speak, and have been since the insurgency began in Iraq, right?

Doing what, exactly, Cowboy? CS, CSS? Is their current mission to "Find, Fix and Destroy the Enemy on the battlefield?" If not, what is their current mission? I'm not asking you where they do it, I'm asking what the mission is that they are required to fulfill.

 

[ArmyCowboy]

No one said a damn thing about being "in" the military. do us all a favor here and wake up. We're talking women in combat. And, if you think that has been the norm in the American military for a "long, long time now", then it's obvious that you have never served yourself. What? too good to serve your country?

You're aware that women are taking part in combat ops as we speak, and have been since the insurgency began in Iraq, right?

Doing what, exactly, Cowboy? CS, CSS? Is their current mission to "Find, Fix and Destroy the Enemy on the battlefield?" If not, what is their current mission? I'm not asking you where they do it, I'm asking what the mission is that they are required to fulfill.

Read FM 3-24.

There is no real "enemy on the battlefield." We're conducting COIN. That's about it. As such, women are and have been on patrol as well as involved in raids on suspected terrorist and insurgent safe houses.