The Purpose of the Electoral College

[wihosa]

The Electorl College was created because the Framers were afraid of the "tyranny of the majority". As Alexander Hamilton writes in “The Federalist Papers,” the Constitution is designed to ensure “that the office of President will never fall to the lot of any man who is not in an eminent degree endowed with the requisite qualifications."

Well, Trump is the exact person that Hamilton was speaking of. It is ironic that he "won" the Electoral College and lost the popular vote "bigly". The Framers were afraid of such a person coming to power via the popular vote, but that is no reason the Electoral College can't perform the function it was created for. There are only minor financial penalties in some states for Electors who don't vote the way their states voted. In the other states Electors are unrestricted.

The Elector College should perform the duty it was created for as a check on an unrestrained demagogue and deny this dangerously conflicted man the office he will likely destroy.
I'm not saying they should elect Clinton, or even a Democrat, but most Americans who voted did not want Trump and he has already shown himself unfit for the office.

Otherwise the Electoral College should be abolished, if the Electors can't now do what they were empowered to do, then what is their purpose?

 

[Pete7469]

It keeps large density cities from over powering the rural areas.

Ya know, like how the soviets collectivized the farms after they disarmed everyone...

Yeah...

I member...

I also remember how many millions disappeared or were forced to starve because they resisted having their hard work confiscated.

 

[Pogo]

It keeps large density cities from over powering the rural areas.

Ya know, like how the soviets collectivized the farms after they disarmed everyone...

Yeah...

I member...

I also remember how many millions disappeared or were forced to starve because they resisted having their hard work confiscated.

No it doesn't, clownstick.

What it does is divides and disenfranchises. In the original form it divided "free" states from "slave" states, who usied it to dominate the country's first four decades, by using the disenfranchised. When the Reconstruction Amendments put that to rest it divided women from the ballot box by keeping them disenfranchised. And today it divides artificially-contrived "red" states from artificially-contrived "blue" states and tosses in the trash everybody who didn't vote with their state. It perpetuates the Duopoly, it keeps turnout low, and it makes us dependent on polls to find out if it's even worth getting out of bed on Election Day in hopes that we live in a third artificially-contrived type, a "swing" state so that we can imagine our vote actually counts for something.

 

[wihosa]

You mean it keeps the majority from winning?
Really because the Soviets and stuff?

That's what you got?

 

[Pop23]

The Electorl College was created because the Framers were afraid of the "tyranny of the majority". As Alexander Hamilton writes in “The Federalist Papers,” the Constitution is designed to ensure “that the office of President will never fall to the lot of any man who is not in an eminent degree endowed with the requisite qualifications."

Well, Trump is the exact person that Hamilton was speaking of. It is ironic that he "won" the Electoral College and lost the popular vote "bigly". The Framers were afraid of such a person coming to power via the popular vote, but that is no reason the Electoral College can't perform the function it was created for. There are only minor financial penalties in some states for Electors who don't vote the way their states voted. In the other states Electors are unrestricted.

The Elector College should perform the duty it was created for as a check on an unrestrained demagogue and deny this dangerously conflicted man the office he will likely destroy.
I'm not saying they should elect Clinton, or even a Democrat, but most Americans who voted did not want Trump and he has already shown himself unfit for the office.

Otherwise the Electoral College should be abolished, if the Electors can't now do what they were empowered to do, then what is their purpose?

Another obvious thread fail on the subject.

Inclusion of the fairy tale that a "popular vote" even exists, other than within the 50 state elections plus the District of Columbia, is a distraction, and costs the OP credibility.

 

[wihosa]

What is the popular vote called in all other Democracies?

THE VOTE!

 

[Pop23]

It keeps large density cities from over powering the rural areas.

Ya know, like how the soviets collectivized the farms after they disarmed everyone...

Yeah...

I member...

I also remember how many millions disappeared or were forced to starve because they resisted having their hard work confiscated.

And keeps the resource rich rural areas from showing what real power actually is.

Without them, the High density population centers could easily be denied food, water and fuel.

Would suck to be them.

 

[Pete7469]

And keeps the resource rich rural areas from showing what real power actually is.

Without them, the High density population centers could easily be denied food, water and fuel.

Would suck to be them.

True...

Then again people like money, so we keep those who print it alive I reckon.

Perhaps we should just barter among ourselves?

 

[Pop23]

And keeps the resource rich rural areas from showing what real power actually is.

Without them, the High density population centers could easily be denied food, water and fuel.

Would suck to be them.

True...

Then again people like money, so we keep those who print it alive I reckon.

Perhaps we should just barter among ourselves?

It's part of the checks and balances. Sure, there is power in numbers, but it's not the ultimate power. That belongs to those that hold those things required for life itself.

Not a good thing to screw with them.

 

[Pete7469]

What is the popular vote called in all other Democracies?

THE VOTE!

Hey retard, we're a REPUBLIC. Not a democracy.

They have one in North Korea. Go there. Everyone votes the same way. You'll be happy there.

 

[wihosa]

It keeps large density cities from over powering the rural areas.

Ya know, like how the soviets collectivized the farms after they disarmed everyone...

Yeah...

I member...

I also remember how many millions disappeared or were forced to starve because they resisted having their hard work confiscated.

And keeps the resource rich rural areas from showing what real power actually is.

Without them, the High density population centers could easily be denied food, water and fuel.

Would suck to be them.

How many of the agricultural and mineral resources would be produced without the machinery and technology which comes from the oh so dependent cities?

 

[federalist50]

The Electorl College was created because the Framers were afraid of the "tyranny of the majority". As Alexander Hamilton writes in “The Federalist Papers,” the Constitution is designed to ensure “that the office of President will never fall to the lot of any man who is not in an eminent degree endowed with the requisite qualifications."

Well, Trump is the exact person that Hamilton was speaking of. It is ironic that he "won" the Electoral College and lost the popular vote "bigly". The Framers were afraid of such a person coming to power via the popular vote, but that is no reason the Electoral College can't perform the function it was created for. There are only minor financial penalties in some states for Electors who don't vote the way their states voted. In the other states Electors are unrestricted.

The Elector College should perform the duty it was created for as a check on an unrestrained demagogue and deny this dangerously conflicted man the office he will likely destroy.
I'm not saying they should elect Clinton, or even a Democrat, but most Americans who voted did not want Trump and he has already shown himself unfit for the office.

Otherwise the Electoral College should be abolished, if the Electors can't now do what they were empowered to do, then what is their purpose?

What the Founding Fathers had in mind when they established the electoral vote, was to ensure a president was not elected by the big population centers of New York, Boston and Philadelphia, but rather by majority support across all of the 13 colonies! Fast forward to today and it means a vote in Wyoming is as important as one cast in California. The 2016 election worked as it was designed. Trump had support in the Midwest, South and Southwest. Hillary's support came from mainly the East & West coast's. I f you were to overlay election results by counties on the electoral map, it would be a sea of red across the country! The news media's obsession with the popular vote means nothing! If we elected president's by popular vote, presidential candidate's would only campaign in the 10 states with the biggest population and would never set foot in states like Nevada, Colorado, New Hampshire, etc. The calls to change the constitution are a waste of time! For those who don't know, it would be a mountain to steep to climb, because it would require approval of 2/3 of the Senate and ratification by 3/4 of the states! Does anyone seriously think that is ever going to happen?

 

[toomuchtime_]

The Electorl College was created because the Framers were afraid of the "tyranny of the majority". As Alexander Hamilton writes in “The Federalist Papers,” the Constitution is designed to ensure “that the office of President will never fall to the lot of any man who is not in an eminent degree endowed with the requisite qualifications."

Well, Trump is the exact person that Hamilton was speaking of. It is ironic that he "won" the Electoral College and lost the popular vote "bigly". The Framers were afraid of such a person coming to power via the popular vote, but that is no reason the Electoral College can't perform the function it was created for. There are only minor financial penalties in some states for Electors who don't vote the way their states voted. In the other states Electors are unrestricted.

The Elector College should perform the duty it was created for as a check on an unrestrained demagogue and deny this dangerously conflicted man the office he will likely destroy.
I'm not saying they should elect Clinton, or even a Democrat, but most Americans who voted did not want Trump and he has already shown himself unfit for the office.

Otherwise the Electoral College should be abolished, if the Electors can't now do what they were empowered to do, then what is their purpose?

Two electors, one from Colorado and one from Washington state, are taking your advice and have declared they will not cast their vote for Clinton, citing Hamilton, also.

What happens to a vote-switching Elector on December 19?

 

[kaz]

It keeps large density cities from over powering the rural areas.

Ya know, like how the soviets collectivized the farms after they disarmed everyone...

Yeah...

I member...

I also remember how many millions disappeared or were forced to starve because they resisted having their hard work confiscated.

No it doesn't, clownstick.

What it does is divides and disenfranchises. In the original form it divided "free" states from "slave" states, who usied it to dominate the country's first four decades, by using the disenfranchised. When the Reconstruction Amendments put that to rest it divided women from the ballot box by keeping them disenfranchised. And today it divides artificially-contrived "red" states from artificially-contrived "blue" states and tosses in the trash everybody who didn't vote with their state. It perpetuates the Duopoly, it keeps turnout low, and it makes us dependent on polls to find out if it's even worth getting out of bed on Election Day in hopes that we live in a third artificially-contrived type, a "swing" state so that we can imagine our vote actually counts for something.

Um ... you don't know what disenfranchised means. Losing an election is not disenfranchising you. It just means you lost.

The idea of the founders was to protect both ways, small States from big States (Senate), big States from small States (House). Neither can pass a law without the agreement of the other. The President is a combination between the two. The idea is to protect our liberty.

The idea of popular vote is so the majority can oppress the minority. Big liberal States can give you what you want. It's three wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. That's why you want it. Not because you want some sort of purity. You want the result. The founders made it too hard for socialists to unilaterally rule the world and you want to get the small State voters out of the way.

The founders system worked, at least this time

 

[Pop23]

It keeps large density cities from over powering the rural areas.

Ya know, like how the soviets collectivized the farms after they disarmed everyone...

Yeah...

I member...

I also remember how many millions disappeared or were forced to starve because they resisted having their hard work confiscated.

And keeps the resource rich rural areas from showing what real power actually is.

Without them, the High density population centers could easily be denied food, water and fuel.

Would suck to be them.

How many of the agricultural and mineral resources would be produced without the machinery and technology which comes from the oh so dependent cities?

You realize how stupid it is to assume you make anything without the resources to create the machines? Right?

 

[Pete7469]

How many of the agricultural and mineral resources would be produced without the machinery and technology which comes from the oh so dependent cities?

Where did the iron come from that made the buildings that are in the city? Where do industrial centers get their resources?

Not real hard to figure out here bed wetter. You're really to stupid for any further attention, unless I choose to ridicule you again at some point in the future.

 

[Care4all]

the electors each state gets for their congressmen should count as individual votes for the congressional voting district they represent, and the 2 senatorial electors each state gets, both small and large are what gives smaller states the advantage over big populated states....THIS was the founder's intent, and NOT to make it a winner takes all electors where state citizens are disenfranchised....

 

[Muhammed]

The purpose of the electoral college is to form a more perfect union.

 

[Care4all]

the electoral college should stay, but it needs to go back to what the founders intended when they created it and how it worked for the first 4 presidential elections

 

[kaz]

the electors each state gets for their congressmen should count as individual votes for the congressional voting district they represent, and the 2 senatorial electors each state gets, both small and large are what gives smaller states the advantage over big populated states....THIS was the founder's intent, and NOT to make it a winner takes all electors where state citizens are disenfranchised....

Yet you still can't find anything from them saying that. On the other hand I did show you where they said it's up to the States