The problem with capitalism

[jbander]

All that to say You're a broke motherfucker?

and all that just to say good bye , it has been a slice, good bye!

 

[Wyatt earp]

why would we even want to compete with China . That is ridiculous . They are still a widget producer we haven't done that in decades. What you try to protect is the technology based production and that is done with American ingenuity, American ability to create.

Liar we are the second biggest manufacture after China

 

[jbander]

No this thread is about you trying to figure another way to steal money legally

Wyatt just took a long step on a short pier. So we will say good bye to him and wish him well and tell him what a shame it is that he can't communicate and just wastes bandwidth instead, something we no longer allow.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Wyatt just took a long step on a short pier. So we will say good bye to him and wish him well and tell him what a shame it is that he can't communicate and just wastes bandwidth instead, something we no longer allow.

Can't refute your myth we don't manufacture widgets anymore?

 

[jbander]

Wrong.
Here is the proof.
All these 3 ideologies are trying to do is prevent abusive monopolies and extortion.

{...
socialism
[ˈsōSHəˌlizəm]

NOUN

1. a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
   ...}

Sorry buddy that is not in any way anything that was used as a description of socialism, you won't find that anyplace else but I can find a 100 places where it says that it isn't as you say. There is no trade off between being owned and run by the state or just regulate it instead. Like i said from the start the right wing has to define what socialism, communism and Marxism means for it to work the way they want it to work but it already has a definition and that definition says that. Your source is Lexico and that is nothing other then information from books that are published by Oxford publication. That means books by anyone. There is no OR in the definition , the word is AND

 

[jbander]

Workers are winning right now. We have to make sure that continues.

2021 wages went down 2.4% when you include inflation.

 

[jbander]

Last years GDP growth shows how good it is when workers win. Years of tax cuts and pro employer policies led to weak gdp growth.

Business did a dance all through your low GDP years their profits went up massively. nothing better then to make more profit and way more wealth and not even have to increase production. they loved it. No production cost increase no higher wages just way more money, During Obamas presidency with low GDP, saw the highest profits in history , the highest percentage of gross that was profit in history and the fastest increase in profits in history. /

 

[jbander]

Inflation is high because you have a moron that paid people more to stay home than work. That created a labor shortage, the labor shortage created the supply chain shortage. The supply chain shortage forced industry to overpay workers. The additional expense is passed on to consumers meaning we now pay more for the products and services we want, thus the definition of inflation.

how stupid.

 

[jbander]

Oh really? You going to kick me out?

screw you , you have just disappeared . you have to be a asshole all the time and you endlessly try to high jack the thread and you contribute nothing other then hate party driven Q anon crap. bye, what a waste.

 

[jbander]

All Republics Go Bananas

Abuse is a direct result of that unquestioned Sacred Cow, the Constitution, which establishes elitist tyranny.

why do you say that.

 

[Wyatt earp]

2021 wages went down 2.4% when you include inflation.

No when you include the $15 dollar minimum wage at WalMart

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

screw you , you have just disappeared . you have to be a asshole all the time and you endlessly try to high jack the thread and you contribute nothing other then hate party driven Q anon crap. bye, what a waste.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Business did a dance all through your low GDP years their profits went up massively. nothing better then to make more profit and way more wealth and not even have to increase production. they loved it. No production cost increase no higher wages just way more money, During Obamas presidency with low GDP, saw the highest profits in history , the highest percentage of gross that was profit in history and the fastest increase in profits in history. /

DumnBama also raised taxes on the wealthy. I thought that was supposed to thin the so-called wealth gap you leftists talk about so much.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

why would we even want to compete with China . That is ridiculous . They are still a widget producer we haven't done that in decades. What you try to protect is the technology based production and that is done with American ingenuity, American ability to create.

And when we get that ingenuity we sell it to China.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

this thread is about the distribution of wealth , I won't let you hijack this thread , stick to the topic or move on. .

All subjects drift off to related discussions. Are you new at this or what?

 

[frigidweirdo]

IF YOU THINK THAT CORPORATIONS AND THE WEALTHY SHOULD GET IT ALL, YOU VOTE FOR THE RIGHT , IF YOU SUPPORT CAPITALISM AS IT IS DEFINED WITH THE PRIME MOTIVE THAT MAKES CAPITALISM THE ONLY WAY, as in having the potential for the possibility to get ahead by the worker then you vote for Democrats. Without the posibilaty for the worker to get ahead which has been totally taken away for the last 40_ years by the right wing. It will collapse by the force of the peoples opposition for it, as in it all going to the top. That will screw the pooch because capitalism is really the only way.

What happens if you want something better than Rep and Dem?

 

[frigidweirdo]

If You Don't Support This, You Have No Right to Complain About Government Waste

I have nothing against that. On this very embee, I proposed that on their tax forms, everyone allocates to which branches of the government he wants his money to go and how much. I'd give a lot to the military, infrastructure, and to the Department of Labor and nothing towards welfare, foreign aid, or the dumbing-down Department of "Education."

Well, this is a potential. It'd have to be done better than this. You'd still have to pay for education because you benefit from the education system.

However, imagine the presidency being broken up into different parts. You elect a person to deal with different parts, military, education, policing etc. Each person runs on a platform, each person says how much money they're going to spend in 4 years, and this is what they get.

 

[frigidweirdo]

All Republics Go Bananas

Abuse is a direct result of that unquestioned Sacred Cow, the Constitution, which establishes elitist tyranny.

Well, yes, but the Constitution is OLD. It has an amendment process, those with power just choose to not change it and the people don't push for it either.

I talk about Proportional Representation on here, one in a hundred will say they like PR, most will totally misunderstand it and give reasons why it's bad "It's mob rule" was one reason I was given.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If the government tax's you 100% of your wages or outlaw what your product is, They dam well are in charge of the distribution of wealth , your comment is just brainless.

If government taxed you at 0%, the federal government would collect 0 dollars.

If the government taxed you at 100%, the government would still collect 0 dollars because who would be stupid enough to produce wealth?

The government doesn't distribute anything. The people responsible for wealth accumulation are you.....not just you, but every single one of us here.

We all send our money to the top including you. If you don't like the wealthy getting that money, then stop sending it to them. The Amish and Quakers don't send them any money. They make all their own needs.

As for those of us in the modern world, we are going to send our money to the top when we stop for gasoline and give those multi-billion dollar oiil companies our money. You are going to pay your cable bill, maybe your internet bill, perhaps those evil billionaire cell phone companies, maybe stop at McDonald's for a big mack combo, buy your food from those billionaire food chains, but one way or another, you and I will be sending our money to the top, and likely several times next week.

That's how the wealth gap increases. There are more products and services to buy today than any other time in history, and they are all owned by multi-millionairs and billionaires. Yes, government can take more money from them, but that doesn't help any of us one bit.

 

[Ringo]

"We need to return to capitalism without state influence!" Good old capitalism...

California. 1908.
When you have a daughter of the same age as in the photo, such pictures cause an acute attack of proletarian hatred.
"In capitalism, hard work leads to prosperity!" (of owners)
And six years later there was a monstrous war in which millions died and enormous funds were invested. Well, to make this girl's employer live even better.
And by the way, maybe in California this good old capitalism is lost, in Africa it is still quite alive. And in places in Asia, too.