The problem in America and axis of democracy is not capitalism, but dictatorship

[pvsi]

As for my friend georgephilip who thinks capitalism guarantees rising inequality, maybe you can tell me what socialism guarantees?

Either socialism or capitalism is good for the ruling class. But neither system is good for the working class.

So rather than convey the impression that George Philip, or any of those who agree with him, are promoting the adoption of socialism, which is not the case, please understand that based on the evidence seen throughout the 40s, 50s, 60s, and 70s, the most prosperous and productive decades in our history, the best system quite clearly is capitalism which is rigidly controlled by certain socialist regulations.

I have lived in Soviet Union, which was called socialism[...]

It might have been called socialism, but it wasn't socialism. It was also called communism but it wasn't communism, either. It was Stalinism, which was totalitarian dictatorship.

and the only thing that was guaranteed if you spoke out against that system was imprisonment. Now I do not know how strict it was under Adolf Hitler, and how much what about national socialist Germany was true[...]

Germany under Hitler might have been called socialism but it wasn't. That designation was a ploy. Germany under Hitler was a military dictatorship, plain and simple.

If you want to know what true socialism is refer to Denmark, which is widely regarded as the "happiest" country on Earth. (Google it if you doubt it.)

but I DO know that USSR and USA has been controlled by the same puppet masters, designed to bounce us back and forth. And perhaps make us feel guilty of seeking capitalism, when in fact USSR was not real socialism itself, but a dictatorship. And today political stooges who write history will claim that Joseph Stalin robed banks to fund his socialist revolution (what a hero), but in reality with a little bit of research it is OBVIOUS that Stalin/Lenin’s Ukraine style revolution was actually backed by international bankers (no need to rob banks)...we have been brainwashed, and until we become as one, we are rightfully screwed, and I will even enjoy watching my fellow countrymen, my friends, and others suffer for their ignorance. ignorance is crime. And every time I hear America being called a free or democratic country, I am offended.

I can't disagree with all you are saying here but suffice it to say the best designation for the United States with regard to the past four decades is that of an emerging plutocracy, which means rule by the wealthy class. I say emerging because the full-blown plutocracy hasn't evolved as yet. But it's coming -- as evidenced by the increasingly obvious formation of the American police state, which will facilitate plutocratic rule.

I agree about Denmark, no need to google it my mom lives there since early 90's and I'm going back to visit her there this fall. I also think there is no need for us to argue over who exactly rules axis of the so called democracy today, but I agree completely about USSR and USA being not what they claim/ed to be.

 

[pvsi]

Just for shits and giggles ('cause I weary of you "experts"): socialism and capitalism are economic systems. Democracies and dictatorships (of any stripe) are political systems. Capitalism pretty much requires some form of democracy to flourish and socialism pretty much requires some form of dictatorship to survive. Carry on.

And the purpose for the most people on these forums is to appear experts over others which requires to twist, distort and exaggerate.

 

[Mephisto]

Just for shits and giggles ('cause I weary of you "experts"): socialism and capitalism are economic systems. Democracies and dictatorships (of any stripe) are political systems. Capitalism pretty much requires some form of democracy to flourish and socialism pretty much requires some form of dictatorship to survive. Carry on.

Socialism is also a political theory, in this form socialism refers to the strategy or policies of socialist organizations and parties, which has no connection to socialism and a socioeconomically system.

 

[FA_Q2]

As for my friend georgephilip who thinks capitalism guarantees rising inequality, maybe you can tell me what socialism guarantees?

Either socialism or capitalism is good for the ruling class. But neither system is good for the working class.

So rather than convey the impression that George Philip, or any of those who agree with him, are promoting the adoption of socialism, which is not the case, please understand that based on the evidence seen throughout the 40s, 50s, 60s, and 70s, the most prosperous and productive decades in our history, the best system quite clearly is capitalism which is rigidly controlled by certain socialist regulations.

I have lived in Soviet Union, which was called socialism[...]

It might have been called socialism, but it wasn't socialism. It was also called communism but it wasn't communism, either. It was Stalinism, which was totalitarian dictatorship.

and the only thing that was guaranteed if you spoke out against that system was imprisonment. Now I do not know how strict it was under Adolf Hitler, and how much what about national socialist Germany was true[...]

Germany under Hitler might have been called socialism but it wasn't. That designation was a ploy. Germany under Hitler was a military dictatorship, plain and simple.

If you want to know what true socialism is refer to Denmark, which is widely regarded as the "happiest" country on Earth. (Google it if you doubt it.)

but I DO know that USSR and USA has been controlled by the same puppet masters, designed to bounce us back and forth. And perhaps make us feel guilty of seeking capitalism, when in fact USSR was not real socialism itself, but a dictatorship. And today political stooges who write history will claim that Joseph Stalin robed banks to fund his socialist revolution (what a hero), but in reality with a little bit of research it is OBVIOUS that Stalin/Lenin’s Ukraine style revolution was actually backed by international bankers (no need to rob banks)...we have been brainwashed, and until we become as one, we are rightfully screwed, and I will even enjoy watching my fellow countrymen, my friends, and others suffer for their ignorance. ignorance is crime. And every time I hear America being called a free or democratic country, I am offended.

I can't disagree with all you are saying here but suffice it to say the best designation for the United States with regard to the past four decades is that of an emerging plutocracy, which means rule by the wealthy class. I say emerging because the full-blown plutocracy hasn't evolved as yet. But it's coming -- as evidenced by the increasingly obvious formation of the American police state, which will facilitate plutocratic rule.

As sayit pointed out, socialism/capitalism are not mutually exclusive to totalitarianism or dictatorships. Just because Russia and Germany were dictatorships does not mean they were not socialist or communist nations.

Further, the concept of both systems is irrelevant to the real world outcomes of those same systems.

 

[pvsi]

Germany under Hitler was a military dictatorship, plain and simple.

I may be ignorant (I probably am) but why exactly Germany under Hitler was a dictatorship? I have always heard people on TV say this, but I never had anyone explain to me exactly why...

 

[Mephisto]

Germany under Hitler was a military dictatorship, plain and simple.

I may be ignorant (I probably am) but why exactly Germany under Hitler was a dictatorship? I have always heard people on TV say this, but I never had anyone explain to me exactly why...

a dictator is a ruler who wields absolute authority. A state that has a dictator for a ruler is a dictatorship. Hitler made all the decisions for the Country. Stalin was also a dictator

 

[SAYIT]

Just for shits and giggles ('cause I weary of you "experts"): socialism and capitalism are economic systems. Democracies and dictatorships (of any stripe) are political systems. Capitalism pretty much requires some form of democracy to flourish and socialism pretty much requires some form of dictatorship to survive. Carry on.

Socialism is also a political theory, in this form socialism refers to the strategy or policies of socialist organizations and parties, which has no connection to socialism and a socioeconomically system.

Wha???

 

[pvsi]

Germany under Hitler was a military dictatorship, plain and simple.

I may be ignorant (I probably am) but why exactly Germany under Hitler was a dictatorship? I have always heard people on TV say this, but I never had anyone explain to me exactly why...

a dictator is a ruler who wields absolute authority. A state that has a dictator for a ruler is a dictatorship. Hitler made all the decisions for the Country. Stalin was also a dictator

Thanks. What do you call a nation like America where dictatorship places a puppet circus instead of showing themselves to the public as leaders?

 

[Mephisto]

I may be ignorant (I probably am) but why exactly Germany under Hitler was a dictatorship? I have always heard people on TV say this, but I never had anyone explain to me exactly why...

a dictator is a ruler who wields absolute authority. A state that has a dictator for a ruler is a dictatorship. Hitler made all the decisions for the Country. Stalin was also a dictator

Thanks. What do you call a nation like America where dictatorship places a puppet circus instead of showing themselves to the public as leaders?

As I said before we're becoming a plutocracy. We're not a dictatorship. The President does not wield absolute power, some might THINK he does, however reality tells otherwise. if Obama was half the dictator that some think he is, why is Rush, Beck, Fox News and a host of other people that oppose Obama still free? In a dictatorship these would would be either locked up and killed already.

We the people, while we get to vote, we're voting for which politician will serve the plutocrats and not the people.

 

[pvsi]

if Obama was half the dictator that some think he is, why is Rush, Beck, Fox News and a host of other people that oppose Obama still free? In a dictatorship these would would be either locked up and killed already.

We the people, while we get to vote, we're voting for which politician will serve the plutocrats and not the people.

Exactly right. I would like to invite you to my new thread capitalism/socialism vs. new world government...

 

[JoeNormal]

It is PRECISELY the ‘against’ option that is destroying our nation. That is how politicians are elected right now – with votes going to one or the other solely because they are voting against the opposition.

People often do vote against one candidate but in order to do so, they choose the most viable other candidate - not necessarily the best one. If there were an 'against' option in addition to the 'for' option, that would probably change.

 

[pvsi]

It is PRECISELY the ‘against’ option that is destroying our nation. That is how politicians are elected right now – with votes going to one or the other solely because they are voting against the opposition.

People often do vote against one candidate but in order to do so, they choose the most viable other candidate - not necessarily the best one. If there were an 'against' option in addition to the 'for' option, that would probably change.

Right. And instead of less than 50% of population in America voting for the establishment's candidates, more people may be interested to vote again:

 

[MikeK]

It is PRECISELY the ‘against’ option that is destroying our nation. That is how politicians are elected right now – with votes going to one or the other solely because they are voting against the opposition.

People often do vote against one candidate but in order to do so, they choose the most viable other candidate - not necessarily the best one. If there were an 'against' option in addition to the 'for' option, that would probably change.

You're quite right.

My vote for Obama was in fact a vote against McCain -- who surely would manage to start WW-III. Obama was the lesser of two evils.