"The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion"

[Valox]

to your edit...

It does not sound to me as if he forced her to have an abortion..... especially since she had another one several years later.

Keep munching on your straw all you want. I never used the word "force". However, his daughter's choice didn't prevent him from expressing his hypocrisy.

Unfortunately, this is too complicated for you to understand.

I agree, it is to complicated for you to understand.

What it boils down to is you don't think dad should have taken his daughter in and picked her up after a medical.

The dad is a hypocrite, like this lady.

"My first encounter with this phenomenon came when I was doing a 2-week follow-up at a family planning clinic. The woman's anti-choice values spoke indirectly through her expression and body language. She told me that she had been offended by the other women in the abortion clinic waiting room because they were using abortion as a form of birth control, but her condom had broken so she had no choice! I had real difficulty not pointing out that she did have a choice, and she had made it! Just like the other women in the waiting room." (Physician, Ontario)


Yeah, your abortion is always different and morally superior. You people are such hacks.

 

[syrenn]

Keep munching on your straw all you want. I never used the word "force". However, his daughter's choice didn't prevent him from expressing his hypocrisy.

Unfortunately, this is too complicated for you to understand.

I agree, it is to complicated for you to understand.

What it boils down to is you don't think dad should have taken his daughter in and picked her up after a medical.

The dad is a hypocrite, like this lady.

"My first encounter with this phenomenon came when I was doing a 2-week follow-up at a family planning clinic. The woman's anti-choice values spoke indirectly through her expression and body language. She told me that she had been offended by the other women in the abortion clinic waiting room because they were using abortion as a form of birth control, but her condom had broken so she had no choice! I had real difficulty not pointing out that she did have a choice, and she had made it! Just like the other women in the waiting room." (Physician, Ontario)


Yeah, your abortion is always different and morally superior. You people are such hacks.

Yep, its to bad women have a right to their own body and no one can impose THEIR morality onto them.

 

[Valox]

I agree, it is to complicated for you to understand.

What it boils down to is you don't think dad should have taken his daughter in and picked her up after a medical.

The dad is a hypocrite, like this lady.

"My first encounter with this phenomenon came when I was doing a 2-week follow-up at a family planning clinic. The woman's anti-choice values spoke indirectly through her expression and body language. She told me that she had been offended by the other women in the abortion clinic waiting room because they were using abortion as a form of birth control, but her condom had broken so she had no choice! I had real difficulty not pointing out that she did have a choice, and she had made it! Just like the other women in the waiting room." (Physician, Ontario)


Yeah, your abortion is always different and morally superior. You people are such hacks.

Yep, its to bad women have a right to their own body and no one can impose THEIR morality onto them.

That is not bad at all. If you didn't have a problem with being pro-choice, then why are you putting up such a fuss?

 

[Intense]

Now you're just making things up...shows that your own personal feelings about this issue might be clouding your ability to view it clearly.

He never stated he didn't want to care for the child. He could have been just as worried that when she decided to keep the baby she would have had a difficult time finishing college, getting a good job, pursuing her own dreams, etc.

Learn to read and use deductive reasoning, skippy. was too young to have a baby and he was also afraid that if she did have a baby she would not want to put it up for adoption.

If she was too young to have a baby and would not put it up for adoption, guess where the responsibility would lie?

You are really coming off like a Jackass. Yeah, it's sad that the Girl had the Abortion, It's sadder that she had two. She obviously has deep issues. Dad, too.

In my Household, we are Pro Life, not by Mandate, by Choice.Whatever a Person chooses, I would Council Life, still, I would respect the Persons Right to decide. What else are you to do? Guess what? We all have some degree of Hypocrisy in life. It is a known catalyst for change, when one gets tired of the stink of shit. We are Each Human First, you seem to have the need to be reminded of that.

 

[Intense]

The dad is a hypocrite, like this lady.

"My first encounter with this phenomenon came when I was doing a 2-week follow-up at a family planning clinic. The woman's anti-choice values spoke indirectly through her expression and body language. She told me that she had been offended by the other women in the abortion clinic waiting room because they were using abortion as a form of birth control, but her condom had broken so she had no choice! I had real difficulty not pointing out that she did have a choice, and she had made it! Just like the other women in the waiting room." (Physician, Ontario)


Yeah, your abortion is always different and morally superior. You people are such hacks.

Yep, its to bad women have a right to their own body and no one can impose THEIR morality onto them.

That is not bad at all. If you didn't have a problem with being pro-choice, then why are you putting up such a fuss?

Are you arguing with some preconceived stereotype or the voices in your head?

 

[syrenn]

Yep, its to bad women have a right to their own body and no one can impose THEIR morality onto them.

That is not bad at all. If you didn't have a problem with being pro-choice, then why are you putting up such a fuss?

Are you arguing with some preconceived stereotype or the voices in your head?

i am thinking both.

 

[syrenn]

Now you're just making things up...shows that your own personal feelings about this issue might be clouding your ability to view it clearly.

He never stated he didn't want to care for the child. He could have been just as worried that when she decided to keep the baby she would have had a difficult time finishing college, getting a good job, pursuing her own dreams, etc.

Learn to read and use deductive reasoning, skippy. was too young to have a baby and he was also afraid that if she did have a baby she would not want to put it up for adoption.

If she was too young to have a baby and would not put it up for adoption, guess where the responsibility would lie?

You are really coming off like a Jackass. Yeah, it's sad that the Girl had the Abortion, It's sadder that she had two. She obviously has deep issues. Dad, too.

In my Household, we are Pro Life, not by Mandate, by Choice.Whatever a Person chooses, I would Council Life, still, I would respect the Persons Right to decide. What else are you to do? Guess what? We all have some degree of Hypocrisy in life. It is a known catalyst for change, when one gets tired of the stink of shit. We are Each Human First, you seem to have the need to be reminded of that.

Question...about a hypothetical daughter.

Considering your views on being pro life. If it was your daughters choice to have an abortion... would you dad up and take her in for the abortion and pick her up afterward..... or just let her fend for herself.

 

[Ringel05]

Of course the pro-life dad was placed in the position of having to make a terrible and yes, hypocritical decision when he helped his daughter procure her first abortion. It was probably a fairly torturous decision for him. He was forced to decide to do what he felt would give his daughter the best chance to pursue her own dreams...at the expense of his own beliefs. I feel bad for the guy.

As for admirable, I think you misunderstand which doctor I was speaking about. The doctor I am most impressed with in this anecdote is the doctor providing the abortions. It would have been easy for him, and probably very tempting to make a snide remark to the pro-life doctor...just like you seem to revel in calling him a hypocrite, rather than having any sense of sympathy for a parent having to face an incredibly difficult decision. Rather than stoop to your level and gleefully point out his co-workers hypocrisy...the other doctor simply said, "Its legal. She chose it. Thats all I need to know." THAT, is something I do find admirable - he was a big enough man to do his job without needing to laugh at the other man's misfortune.

He made the decisions because he was afraid that she wasn't going to give up her child for adoption, and therefore would have to be responsible.

Yeah, real fucking noble.

Other than the known fact that people will be people regardless of what they claim to believe, how is this relevant to anything?

 

[Not2BSubjugated]

Now you're just making things up...shows that your own personal feelings about this issue might be clouding your ability to view it clearly.

He never stated he didn't want to care for the child. He could have been just as worried that when she decided to keep the baby she would have had a difficult time finishing college, getting a good job, pursuing her own dreams, etc.

Learn to read and use deductive reasoning, skippy. was too young to have a baby and he was also afraid that if she did have a baby she would not want to put it up for adoption.

If she was too young to have a baby and would not put it up for adoption, guess where the responsibility would lie?

Preface: I'm pro choice.

While you claim that the only conceivable possibility is that he supported his daughter getting an abortion because he simply didn't want to have to take care of a grand child, the fact is that the reasoning behind his decision is potentially far more complex than that.

If his daughter chose not to put the child up for adoption, that would mean she chose to keep it. Do you know many new mothers who keep their child but are open to the idea of having little (significantly less than normal) time actually spent physically rearing that child through its infancy? You think a new mother would be okay ignoring a baby waking up in the middle of the night hungry? "Nah, Grandpa's got some simulac, breast feeding's a pain in the ass anyway." Maybe you also think that a young woman who's just given birth, as long as she's got help, is just fine going back to school right away without missing a beat? Perhaps maternity leave for married women is unnecessary since, after all, there's someone else besides her that can take care of her infant. Why's this lazy new mother asking for time off?

The fact of the matter is that an honest argument here must acknowledge that a father who could be willing to help his daughter in any way he deems necessary (in this case, even if it goes against beliefs that he holds on a religious level), could also be aware of the possibility that even if he provided every bit of help she needed to raise her child, the portion of that responsibility that remained her's or that she chose to take on, as well as the physical burdens and hormonal changes that occur during/after pregnancy, could -still- have an adverse effect on her schooling and therefore her future ability to provide for herself.

If you honestly believe that the father doing this simply to shirk a potential responsibility is the only conceivable explanation here, you're obviously not thinking this through from all angles.

For what it's worth, though, congratulations. You have, indeed, found an example of a hypocrite. Didn't realize that was something difficult enough to find that it would warrant boasting, but hey. . . whatever floats your boat.

 

[Intense]

Learn to read and use deductive reasoning, skippy. was too young to have a baby and he was also afraid that if she did have a baby she would not want to put it up for adoption.

If she was too young to have a baby and would not put it up for adoption, guess where the responsibility would lie?

You are really coming off like a Jackass. Yeah, it's sad that the Girl had the Abortion, It's sadder that she had two. She obviously has deep issues. Dad, too.

In my Household, we are Pro Life, not by Mandate, by Choice.Whatever a Person chooses, I would Council Life, still, I would respect the Persons Right to decide. What else are you to do? Guess what? We all have some degree of Hypocrisy in life. It is a known catalyst for change, when one gets tired of the stink of shit. We are Each Human First, you seem to have the need to be reminded of that.

Question...about a hypothetical daughter.

Considering your views on being pro life. If it was your daughters choice to have an abortion... would you dad up and take her in for the abortion and pick her up afterward..... or just let her fend for herself.

My Daughter is Very Independent. I'd be out of the loop. Hypothetically, if I was her only means, I'd drive her, trying to reason her out of it the whole time. For some, the Hypocrisy might be in perceiving how the Community or Friends/Family might react to a pregnancy. My personal view is that one should best play the hand you are dealt. Fuck the rest, they will grow up when they are ready.

 

[syrenn]

You are really coming off like a Jackass. Yeah, it's sad that the Girl had the Abortion, It's sadder that she had two. She obviously has deep issues. Dad, too.

In my Household, we are Pro Life, not by Mandate, by Choice.Whatever a Person chooses, I would Council Life, still, I would respect the Persons Right to decide. What else are you to do? Guess what? We all have some degree of Hypocrisy in life. It is a known catalyst for change, when one gets tired of the stink of shit. We are Each Human First, you seem to have the need to be reminded of that.

Question...about a hypothetical daughter.

Considering your views on being pro life. If it was your daughters choice to have an abortion... would you dad up and take her in for the abortion and pick her up afterward..... or just let her fend for herself.

My Daughter is Very Independent. I'd be out of the loop. Hypothetically, if I was her only means, I'd drive her, trying to reason her out of it the whole time. For some, the Hypocrisy might be in perceiving how the Community or Friends/Family might react to a pregnancy. My personal view is that one should best play the hand you are dealt. Fuck the rest, they will grow up when they are ready.

So you would drive her..... that make you a loving supportive dad...of your daughter. I don't believe there is any hypocrisy involved.

 

[Intense]

Question...about a hypothetical daughter.

Considering your views on being pro life. If it was your daughters choice to have an abortion... would you dad up and take her in for the abortion and pick her up afterward..... or just let her fend for herself.

My Daughter is Very Independent. I'd be out of the loop. Hypothetically, if I was her only means, I'd drive her, trying to reason her out of it the whole time. For some, the Hypocrisy might be in perceiving how the Community or Friends/Family might react to a pregnancy. My personal view is that one should best play the hand you are dealt. Fuck the rest, they will grow up when they are ready.

So you would drive her..... that make you a loving supportive dad...of your daughter. I don't believe there is any hypocrisy involved.

I'm sure the Women in My Home could easily help you with your list.

 

[sealybobo]

"In 1973, after Roe v. Wade, abortion became legal but had to be performed in a hospital. That of course was changed later. For the first 'legal abortion day' I had scheduled five procedures. While scrubbing between cases, I was accosted by the Chief of the OB/Gyn service. He asked me, 'How many children are you going to kill today?' My response, out of anger, was a familiar vulgar retort. About three months later, this born-again Christian called me to explain that he was against abortion but his daughter was only a junior in high school and was too young to have a baby and he was also afraid that if she did have a baby she would not want to put it up for adoption. I told him he did not need to explain the situation to me. 'All I need to know', I said, 'is that SHE wants an abortion.' Two years later I performed a second abortion on her during her college break. She thanked me and pleaded, 'Please don't tell my dad, he is still anti-abortion.'" (Physician, Washington State)
"The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion" - When the Anti-Choice Choose

Collins Says Supreme Court Nominee Kavanaugh Called Roe v. Wade 'Settled Law'

Settled law

 

[SassyIrishLass]

No such thing as a moral abortion.

 

[MindWars]

"In 1973, after Roe v. Wade, abortion became legal but had to be performed in a hospital. That of course was changed later. For the first 'legal abortion day' I had scheduled five procedures. While scrubbing between cases, I was accosted by the Chief of the OB/Gyn service. He asked me, 'How many children are you going to kill today?' My response, out of anger, was a familiar vulgar retort. About three months later, this born-again Christian called me to explain that he was against abortion but his daughter was only a junior in high school and was too young to have a baby and he was also afraid that if she did have a baby she would not want to put it up for adoption. I told him he did not need to explain the situation to me. 'All I need to know', I said, 'is that SHE wants an abortion.' Two years later I performed a second abortion on her during her college break. She thanked me and pleaded, 'Please don't tell my dad, he is still anti-abortion.'" (Physician, Washington State)
"The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion" - When the Anti-Choice Choose

It's hystercial how many retards haven't a clue that an abortion was NEVER performed in the case of r.V.w. .

 

[sealybobo]

"In 1973, after Roe v. Wade, abortion became legal but had to be performed in a hospital. That of course was changed later. For the first 'legal abortion day' I had scheduled five procedures. While scrubbing between cases, I was accosted by the Chief of the OB/Gyn service. He asked me, 'How many children are you going to kill today?' My response, out of anger, was a familiar vulgar retort. About three months later, this born-again Christian called me to explain that he was against abortion but his daughter was only a junior in high school and was too young to have a baby and he was also afraid that if she did have a baby she would not want to put it up for adoption. I told him he did not need to explain the situation to me. 'All I need to know', I said, 'is that SHE wants an abortion.' Two years later I performed a second abortion on her during her college break. She thanked me and pleaded, 'Please don't tell my dad, he is still anti-abortion.'" (Physician, Washington State)
"The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion" - When the Anti-Choice Choose

Still the best after all these years

“The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion”

When the Anti-Choice Choose By Joyce Arthur Copyright © September, 2000 Available in a French translation Available in a German translation Available in a Russian translation Abortion is a highly p…

joycearthur.com

 

[22lcidw]

Still the best after all these years

“The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion”

When the Anti-Choice Choose By Joyce Arthur Copyright © September, 2000 Available in a French translation Available in a German translation Available in a Russian translation Abortion is a highly p…

joycearthur.com

Just fix the female getting the abortion with enacted laws. Then she could screw to her hearts content.

 

[sealybobo]

No such thing as a moral abortion.

Until it happens to you. That's the point. Then suddenly you right wingers change your tune. Maybe half the time you guys prove to be hypocrites.

1. When the woman gets pregnant by her lover, not her husband. Now you're going to find out when the kid is born black. LOL.
2. I can't afford to have a kid now.
3. My daughter just got a scholarship for volleyball to BAMA. Over the summer she gets knocked up. Off to another state. But they'll justify it in their minds. Maybe even go right back to being pro life.

4. Rape or incest
5. To save the mother
6. Severe retardation

 

[notmyfault2020]

"In 1973, after Roe v. Wade, abortion became legal but had to be performed in a hospital. That of course was changed later. For the first 'legal abortion day' I had scheduled five procedures. While scrubbing between cases, I was accosted by the Chief of the OB/Gyn service. He asked me, 'How many children are you going to kill today?' My response, out of anger, was a familiar vulgar retort. About three months later, this born-again Christian called me to explain that he was against abortion but his daughter was only a junior in high school and was too young to have a baby and he was also afraid that if she did have a baby she would not want to put it up for adoption. I told him he did not need to explain the situation to me. 'All I need to know', I said, 'is that SHE wants an abortion.' Two years later I performed a second abortion on her during her college break. She thanked me and pleaded, 'Please don't tell my dad, he is still anti-abortion.'" (Physician, Washington State)
"The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion" - When the Anti-Choice Choose

Well, I guess when God tests people on their beliefs

some fail

miserably

That doesn't mean all Christians fail. But of course the left will say so because it works politically, helps them to keep baby killing legal

 

[sealybobo]

Just fix the female getting the abortion with enacted laws. Then she could screw to her hearts content.

But most women who get abortions have kids later in life.