Zone1 The Omnipotence of God

[onefour1]

It is said that God is all powerful. But what does that mean? Does that mean that God can do absolutely anything imaginable? In your belief how do you think God is all powerful?

1. Can God exist and not exist simultaneously?
2. Can God be an all good being and simultaneously an all evil being?
3. Can God do evil?
4. Can God create things out of absolutely nothing?
5. Is there anything that God cannot do?
6. Is there such a thing as eternal impossibilities even for God?
7. Can God cease to exist?
8. Can God be unjust?
9. Could God have created us perfect like himself?
10. Can God save both the wicked and the righteous into the same kingdom for eternity and have it be just?

In your personal view of God, how is God all powerful? What does that mean to you in your personal religion or philosophy?

 

[occupied]

If God is real even he must follow the laws of physics of this particular universe.

 

[Cougarbear]

It is said that God is all powerful. But what does that mean? Does that mean that God can do absolutely anything imaginable? In your belief how do you think God is all powerful?

1. Can God exist and not exist simultaneously?
2. Can God be an all good being and simultaneously an all evil being?
3. Can God do evil?
4. Can God create things out of absolutely nothing?
5. Is there anything that God cannot do?
6. Is there such a thing as eternal impossibilities even for God?
7. Can God cease to exist?
8. Can God be unjust?
9. Could God have created us perfect like himself?
10. Can God save both the wicked and the righteous into the same kingdom for eternity and have it be just?

In your personal view of God, how is God all powerful? What does that mean to you in your personal religion or philosophy?

#1: Nope
#2: Nope
#3: Nope
#4: Nope
# 6: Nope
#7: Nope
#8: Nope
#5: Above

#9: He is creating or giving us all the opportunity to be perfected as a glorified man or woman
#10: This has to be unpacked more. There are 3 kingdoms of heaven or glory that are in the Bible in First Corinthians chapter 15, Celestial, Terrestrial and Telestial (stars). For all those who by the judgment seat of God will be resurrected into one of those three kingdoms ( mansions or glories) as long as they do not deny the Holy Ghost and bow their knees and finally confess Jesus is the Christ. This includes the wicked who finally accept Christ and his atonement for them. There will be the wicked who won't accept Christ even at the judgement seat that will therefore be denying the Holy Ghost that will be sent down to Perdition where Lucifer (Satan) is with all the wicked deniers.

The Godhead has all authority to control all forces of the universe because they organized it the way it is. He knows what is going on in every part of the universe at all times. The Father gave Jehovah the assignment to organize the universe with the Holy Ghost able to be in all things as the universe is a living entity.

 

[Cougarbear]

If God is real even he must follow the laws of physics of this particular universe.

In other words, the Godhead organized the physics of this universe. Physics must follow the members of the Godhead, The Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

 

[occupied]

In other words, the Godhead organized the physics of this universe. Physics must follow the members of the Godhead, The Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

Ever look at universe simulation theory? That everything we know exists on some unimaginable computer? If that's so then there very well may be some unimaginable being with administrator access to the basis of our reality.

 

[Cougarbear]

Ever look at universe simulation theory? That everything we know exists on some unimaginable computer? If that's so then there very well may be some unimaginable being with administrator access to the basis of our reality.

A computer is a device that can be used for an analogy. However, a computer eventually breaks down. Not so with the Godhead.

 

[onefour1]

#1: Nope
#2: Nope
#3: Nope
#4: Nope
# 6: Nope
#7: Nope
#8: Nope
#5: Above

#9: He is creating or giving us all the opportunity to be perfected as a glorified man or woman
#10: This has to be unpacked more. There are 3 kingdoms of heaven or glory that are in the Bible in First Corinthians chapter 15, Celestial, Terrestrial and Telestial (stars). For all those who by the judgment seat of God will be resurrected into one of those three kingdoms ( mansions or glories) as long as they do not deny the Holy Ghost and bow their knees and finally confess Jesus is the Christ. This includes the wicked who finally accept Christ and his atonement for them. There will be the wicked who won't accept Christ even at the judgement seat that will therefore be denying the Holy Ghost that will be sent down to Perdition where Lucifer (Satan) is with all the wicked deniers.

The Godhead has all authority to control all forces of the universe because they organized it the way it is. He knows what is going on in every part of the universe at all times. The Father gave Jehovah the assignment to organize the universe with the Holy Ghost able to be in all things as the universe is a living entity.

So based on what you have written above, It appears that the term "all powerful" does not mean that God can do absolutely anything imaginable. Would that be correct?

 

[Cougarbear]

So based on what you have written above, It appears that the term "all powerful" does not mean that God can do absolutely anything imaginable. Would that be correct?

Correct! He does everything to further his purpose of existence. To bring to past the immortality and eternal life of his children. At the same time, he cannot lose authority (Priesthood) and control of this universe. The universe and Sabbath was made or organized for our benefit to become perfect and inherit all our Father has and is doing.

 

[onefour1]

Correct! He does everything to further his purpose of existence. To bring to past the immortality and eternal life of his children. At the same time, he cannot lose authority (Priesthood) and control of this universe. The universe and Sabbath was made or organized for our benefit to become perfect and inherit all our Father has and is doing.

I would agree. However I do believe that there are things that God does have the power to do but that he simply chooses never to do them. For example, I believe God could sin, God could be unjust, God could do evil if he so chose to do so. However, God being a person who has perfection, would never choose to do those things. It's not that he can't but that he won't do those things. I think God has as much free will as any being could have but he exercises his free will to choose to continually be a good being forever and ever. It would be a lack of wisdom on God's part to choose to do evil. I believe that part of perfection is never choosing to do evil. God is an all wise as well as an all knowing God who chooses of his own free will and choice to be who he is continually.

 

[occupied]

A computer is a device that can be used for an analogy. However, a computer eventually breaks down. Not so with the Godhead.

In our entropic universe everything winds down to meaninglessness. When the the heat death of the universe occurs many billions of years from now eternity will have barely gotten started. Pray you do not have to face that inconceivable expanse of time after you die.

 

[Cougarbear]

I would agree. However I do believe that there are things that God does have the power to do but that he simply chooses never to do them. For example, I believe God could sin, God could be unjust, God could do evil if he so chose to do so. However, God being a person who has perfection, would never choose to do those things. It's not that he can't but that he won't do those things. I think God has as much free will as any being could have but he exercises his free will to choose to continually be a good being forever and ever. It would be a lack of wisdom on God's part to choose to do evil. I believe that part of perfection is never choosing to do evil. God is an all wise as well as an all knowing God who chooses of his own free will and choice to be who he is continually.

I would agree. However I do believe that there are things that God does have the power to do but that he simply chooses never to do them. For example, I believe God could sin, God could be unjust, God could do evil if he so chose to do so. However, God being a person who has perfection, would never choose to do those things. It's not that he can't but that he won't do those things. I think God has as much free will as any being could have but he exercises his free will to choose to continually be a good being forever and ever. It would be a lack of wisdom on God's part to choose to do evil. I believe that part of perfection is never choosing to do evil. God is an all wise as well as an all knowing God who chooses of his own free will and choice to be who he is continually.

Now we get into high priest questions... Does the Father have a Father? What would happen if Father chose to do evil? Would he lose His mansion, this universe?

 

[Cougarbear]

In our entropic universe everything winds down to meaninglessness. When the the heat death of the universe occurs many billions of years from now eternity will have barely gotten started. Pray you do not have to face that inconceivable expanse of time after you die.

You are thinking that God would allow this to happen? Let me suggest something. Science now theorizes that the universe is twice the age we thought it was, 26.8 billion years old. So, how many billions of years before the universe fizzles out? 10 billion, 15 billion, 20 billion. The fact is, if we are looking backwards 26.8 billion years, the universe has already died out and we would also be gone. But, we aren't.

 

[Augustine_]

It is said that God is all powerful. But what does that mean? Does that mean that God can do absolutely anything imaginable? In your belief how do you think God is all powerful?

1. Can God exist and not exist simultaneously?
2. Can God be an all good being and simultaneously an all evil being?
3. Can God do evil?
4. Can God create things out of absolutely nothing?
5. Is there anything that God cannot do?
6. Is there such a thing as eternal impossibilities even for God?
7. Can God cease to exist?
8. Can God be unjust?
9. Could God have created us perfect like himself?
10. Can God save both the wicked and the righteous into the same kingdom for eternity and have it be just?

In your personal view of God, how is God all powerful? What does that mean to you in your personal religion or philosophy?

Every one of those questions is completely irrelevant to the daily functioning of the universe

 

[onefour1]

In The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the prophet Joseph Smith received revelation that tells us that God did not create things from absolutely nothing. Here are a few verses that teach us of some of the things that God cannot do:

Doctrine and Covenants 93:29
29 Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.

Here the Lord teaches us that a part of man which makes up his intelligence was not created or made and neither indeed can be. In other words, the intelligence of man is self existing and could never be created or made.

Abraham 3:18
18 Howbeit that he made the greater star; as, also, if there be two spirits, and one shall be more intelligent than the other, yet these two spirits, notwithstanding one is more intelligent than the other, have no beginning; they existed before, they shall have no end, they shall exist after, for they are gnolaum, or eternal.

Here Abraham tells us the same thing. There is a part of mankind which is the intelligent part of mankind that is gnolaum or eternal and has always existed or in other words is self-existent.

Doctrine and Covenants 93:33
33 For man is spirit. The elements are eternal, and spirit and element, inseparably connected, receive a fulness of joy;

In this verse we are taught that the elements are eternal or in other words they have always existed. Therefore we do not believe that God creates out of nothing but that he has taken the materials of the universe to create worlds without number. In the case of intelligent beings, God has taken self existent intelligence and self existent elements and through the process of creation and procreation He has combined them into creations and living creatures. The spirits of mankind are a combination of eternal intelligence and eternal matter that are the literal offspring of God.

Doctrine and Covenants 131:7-8
7 There is no such thing as immaterial matter. All spirit is matter, but it is more fine or pure, and can only be discerned by purer eyes;
8 We cannot see it; but when our bodies are purified we shall see that it is all matter.

Acts 17:28-29
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.

Here Paul the Apostle teaches us that we are the offspring of God.

Hebrews 12:9
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

Here the Apostle Paul teaches us that God the Father is the Father of our spirits.

From the above we learn that God creates us from eternal matter and eternal intelligence. If those intelligences which He uses to create us are not perfect intelligences, then God cannot create us perfect. Since he cannot create intelligence, He must use the self existent intelligences that are already in existence. Thus God cannot create us to be perfect unless our intelligence is already perfect. Jesus may be a rare example of one who was a perfect intelligence. If God cannot create us all to be perfect, then he must use other means to guide us toward perfection. For this reason he has sent us to a mortal world to learn good and evil and through our own free will and choice we can choose to either become a good being or an evil being. Knowing that without free will, no being can be truly good or evil in and of himself, God grants and honors free will and choice.

So in summary, I believe that God does not create ex nihilo nor can he. I believe that God cannot create our intelligence because our intelligences are self existing. Thus God must use teachings and experiences to help us learn to become perfect like himself. This life is a means of giving us a knowledge of good and evil and an understanding of the true nature of existence.

Matthew 5:48
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

 

[onefour1]

Every one of those questions is completely irrelevant to the daily functioning of the universe

Feel free to explain your beliefs.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I would agree. However I do believe that there are things that God does have the power to do but that he simply chooses never to do them. For example, I believe God could sin, God could be unjust, God could do evil if he so chose to do so. However, God being a person who has perfection, would never choose to do those things. It's not that he can't but that he won't do those things. I think God has as much free will as any being could have but he exercises his free will to choose to continually be a good being forever and ever. It would be a lack of wisdom on God's part to choose to do evil. I believe that part of perfection is never choosing to do evil. God is an all wise as well as an all knowing God who chooses of his own free will and choice to be who he is continually.

The Bible says God killed people.

 

[frigidweirdo]

It is said that God is all powerful. But what does that mean? Does that mean that God can do absolutely anything imaginable? In your belief how do you think God is all powerful?

1. Can God exist and not exist simultaneously?
2. Can God be an all good being and simultaneously an all evil being?
3. Can God do evil?
4. Can God create things out of absolutely nothing?
5. Is there anything that God cannot do?
6. Is there such a thing as eternal impossibilities even for God?
7. Can God cease to exist?
8. Can God be unjust?
9. Could God have created us perfect like himself?
10. Can God save both the wicked and the righteous into the same kingdom for eternity and have it be just?

In your personal view of God, how is God all powerful? What does that mean to you in your personal religion or philosophy?

Surely, seeing how God speaks with so many people, it's not a case of "believing", it's a case of knowing, who knows? Nobody. Why?

 

[Cougarbear]

In The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the prophet Joseph Smith received revelation that tells us that God did not create things from absolutely nothing. Here are a few verses that teach us of some of the things that God cannot do:

Doctrine and Covenants 93:29
29 Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.

Here the Lord teaches us that a part of man which makes up his intelligence was not created or made and neither indeed can be. In other words, the intelligence of man is self existing and could never be created or made.

Abraham 3:18
18 Howbeit that he made the greater star; as, also, if there be two spirits, and one shall be more intelligent than the other, yet these two spirits, notwithstanding one is more intelligent than the other, have no beginning; they existed before, they shall have no end, they shall exist after, for they are gnolaum, or eternal.

Here Abraham tells us the same thing. There is a part of mankind which is the intelligent part of mankind that is gnolaum or eternal and has always existed or in other words is self-existent.

Doctrine and Covenants 93:33
33 For man is spirit. The elements are eternal, and spirit and element, inseparably connected, receive a fulness of joy;

In this verse we are taught that the elements are eternal or in other words they have always existed. Therefore we do not believe that God creates out of nothing but that he has taken the materials of the universe to create worlds without number. In the case of intelligent beings, God has taken self existent intelligence and self existent elements and through the process of creation and procreation He has combined them into creations and living creatures. The spirits of mankind are a combination of eternal intelligence and eternal matter that are the literal offspring of God.

Doctrine and Covenants 131:7-8
7 There is no such thing as immaterial matter. All spirit is matter, but it is more fine or pure, and can only be discerned by purer eyes;
8 We cannot see it; but when our bodies are purified we shall see that it is all matter.

Acts 17:28-29
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.

Here Paul the Apostle teaches us that we are the offspring of God.

Hebrews 12:9
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

Here the Apostle Paul teaches us that God the Father is the Father of our spirits.

From the above we learn that God creates us from eternal matter and eternal intelligence. If those intelligences which He uses to create us are not perfect intelligences, then God cannot create us perfect. Since he cannot create intelligence, He must use the self existent intelligences that are already in existence. Thus God cannot create us to be perfect unless our intelligence is already perfect. Jesus may be a rare example of one who was a perfect intelligence. If God cannot create us all to be perfect, then he must use other means to guide us toward perfection. For this reason he has sent us to a mortal world to learn good and evil and through our own free will and choice we can choose to either become a good being or an evil being. Knowing that without free will, no being can be truly good or evil in and of himself, God grants and honors free will and choice.

So in summary, I believe that God does not create ex nihilo nor can he. I believe that God cannot create our intelligence because our intelligences are self existing. Thus God must use teachings and experiences to help us learn to become perfect like himself. This life is a means of giving us a knowledge of good and evil and an understanding of the true nature of existence.

Matthew 5:48
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

This is really good. It’s why I say our Father is a perfected glorified man. Within all the intelligences there was one who was perfect and became Jehovah. Being perfect is why is became one of the Godhead. The Holy Ghost another. There were others who were close but not perfect as they were not ones who could always choose good. Adam, Eve, Abraham and other leaders.
So, what about Lucifer and the 3rd of the spirit children of the Father. Why were they not allowed to come and better themselves? What made their rebellion so bad that they will never have this opportunity? Perhapse they were perfect and chose evil and therefore could never be perfected?

 

[Cougarbear]

The Bible says God killed people.

Now there’s a non-intelligent response. How did you get to the earth

 

[onefour1]

Now we get into high priest questions... Does the Father have a Father? What would happen if Father chose to do evil? Would he lose His mansion, this universe?

In The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, as Cougarbear is well aware since he is also of the same faith, we do not believe that God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost were God for an infinite past. One might ask, "but isn't that what is implied from Psalms 90 verse 2?"


Psalm 90:2
2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

We believe the term "from everlasting to everlasting" or "from eternity to all eternity" simply means that from the time of eternal or everlasting existence through the mortal time on this earth and then on to all eternity or everlasting God was God. It does not imply that he was God from an infinite past. We believe that at some point in the infinite past, God became a God and that this occurred before the earth was formed. Thus God was God in eternity before the earth was created and will continue to be God through this mortal earth's existence and on into eternity in the future. We believe that eternity in this verse is a state of existence as opposed to a length of time. God was God from eternity past, through this earth's mortal existence, and on to the state of eternity in the future. We don't believe that God was God from ALL eternity past or from an infinite past. This belief derives primarily from a talk that Joseph Smith gave a few months before he was murdered. It is called the King Follett Discourse and can be found at the link.

So we believe that God was once a man who over the process of time became a God. We believe that we on this earth also have the potential to become Gods. We believe that God the Father before becoming a God had a Father in Heaven and resided on an earth the same as we do now. There are a few verses in the Bible which seem to teach that we can become what our Father in Heaven has become:

Matthew 5:48
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Here Jesus commands us to be as perfect as our Father in Heaven is perfect.

John 17:20-23
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Here Jesus prays to the Father that all those who believe on him may become one even as Jesus is one with the Father. Jesus gives his glory that he receives from the Father that they all may be one even as Jesus is one with the Father. He prays that they may be made perfect in one and that all may know that the Father loves them as He has loved Jesus.

1 John 3:2
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Basically we are commanded by Jesus himself to be perfect even as our Father in Heaven is perfect. We can become one even as Jesus is one with the Father and that if we are faithful we can become like him. Jesus is one with the Father and is a God. We too can share in that oneness if we are faithful.