The OLDER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

[The Original Tree]

The conflict is about Sibling rivalry and Ishmael wanting Israel’s inheritance.

Discussions of Israel & the so called Palestinian Homeland are religious in nature and can be discussed in terms of spiritual warfare and ancient animosities between followers of Jehovah God, and allah who is a god with a little “g” to Islam.

Well this is super fun. A Muslim and a Christian debating what Jews believe.

Indeed, take it to the religion forum.

The conflict is about colonialism not religion.

The conflict is about self determination. A concept which should be applied equally to both peoples.

Both peoples like the natives and the foreign settlers?

 

[The Original Tree]

Islam unfortunately is a lie. They lie about Jesus even.

Why would Jesus who founded Christianity come back to destroy All Christians and all Jews to impose False Islam?

The Koran is a false book and violated God’s command not to add to God’s Word.

Muhammad failed God’s test for being a Prophet of God, so Muhammad is a false prophet who is leading mankind away from Salvation and truth.

Christ Himself said He who denies The Father Denies Me, For I and The Father are One.

Islam denies Christ as God The Son of God.

No man comes to The Father but Through Christ Jesus.

The Old Testament Promised Him, The New Testament Delivered Him, and The Koran denies Him.

Islam hates Israel, because Islam seeks Israel’s birthright, and the entire conflict can be explained in that context.

God blesses Israel and God Blesses America through their support of Israel and belief in Jesus The Jewish Messiah.

Yet Ishmael still rejects Jehovah, still rejects, Jesus, and still rejects God’s blessings.

Until Ishmael makes peace with Israel, Jehovah will deny them from now until The Judgment.

Who is Ishmael PBUH?
Do Jew believe In Jesus PBUH?
Do Jew believe in God Or gd?
Does The God give the name Christian to Christians?

Jews believe in The Promised Messiah in the forms of Messiah Bin David (Conquering Savior) & Messiah Bin Joseph (Suffering Savior). However there are not two Messiahs coming to Earth each once. There is only One Messiah coming twice.

Jesus The Christ the first time came as Messiah Bin Joseph when The Jews Rejected him and despised Him so that prophecy would be fulfilled. He is coming again as Messiah Bin David.

• Bible Prophecy: Isaiah 53:3 says, "He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering. Like one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed Him not."

• Fulfillment: John 1:10-11 says, "He was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him. He came to that which was His own, but His own did not receive Him."

He will return in the second coming to Judge the wicked and those who worship false gods and follow false prophets and then sit upon Adam’s throne again as God With Us and rule the World.

Jesus was rejected by some Jews, but not all Jews. Many Jews are Christians, but he was rejected because they expected Messiah Bin David to rescue them from The Oppression of The Roman Empire, but it was Messiah Bin Jospeh who came first to die for our sins and is coming again to judge sins and to rule Earth as Messiah Bin David.

From Isaiah, just one of many prophecies about the Messiah:

(Isaiah 7:14, LXX)[19]

Therefore, the Lord himself shall give you a sign; behold, a virgin shall conceive in the womb, and shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call His name Emmanuel.[20]

6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon His shoulder: and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of His government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon His kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

55 Old Testament Prophecies about Jesus | Jesus Film Project

Jews believe in Jehovah GOD.

Christians believe in Jehovah GOD.

God calls all people who follow Him, His Children.

Christians are those people Who Worship and Follow God who believe that God The Father Fulfilled His Promise to send God The Son to Earth as Emanuel God with us to die for our sins and be resurrected to show He was God and had No Sin in Him. Christians to honor Christ named themselves as Christians.

This is my post From religion and ethics.

I will request to christian specially because we are waiting for the Jesus PBUH and generally to all religion that please check out the Miracle of MOon by Mohammed PBUH as it is also mentioned in Al-Quran too. As science already approved Al-Quran 80%. You can view these miracle on this site (Secrets of Quran Miracles).

According to Islamic belief Jesus PBUH will come as a Muslim and He pbuh will be descend in Damascus, Syria. Where Mehdi Aleysalam will receive Jesus PBUH. Then he PBUH will kill Dajjal the false Masyha. Immediate defeating Dajjal Agog Magog will be released. According to Islamic Scholars Agog Magog will be 1000 time more than mankind population means one human per 1000 Agog Magog will come and clean whole world. Accept those who will be with Jesus PBUH at Mount Toor. Then Jesus PBUH will rule the world for about 40 years. Jesus PBUH will be buried next to Mohammed PBUH in city of Medina in Saudi Arabia, a Grave specially awaiting for him PBUH last 1500 years.
Out 4 Caliphs only first two caliphs buried with Mohammed PBUH and Jesus PBUH. And last two Caliphs buried out side of that tomb, one in city of Medina/Mecca and Second Hazrat Ali the first blood of Mohammed PBUH even left Arab to avoid the conflict or protect the Grave of Jesus PBUH.
There is a famous but true story attached with it. At the time of Hazrat Ali death the last Caliph asked to his family that there was female camel came from the east, please put my dead body on it and let it go, then this female camel disappeared in desert.

The idea that the world needs to be "cleaned" of (certain) humans is a vile and disgusting theology.

 

[rylah]

Discussions of Israel & the so called Palestinian Homeland are religious in nature and can be discussed in terms of spiritual warfare and ancient animosities between followers of Jehovah God, and allah who is a god with a little “g” to Islam.

Well this is super fun. A Muslim and a Christian debating what Jews believe.

Indeed, take it to the religion forum.

The conflict is about colonialism not religion.

The conflict is about self determination. A concept which should be applied equally to both peoples.

Both peoples like the natives and the foreign settlers?

2 years of presence in a land doesn't make one into a "native".
On the other hand, tell me what does the word re-constitute mean?

 

[rylah]

You keep saying, but I'm not sure You know the meanings of those words.
International law is treaties between sovereign states, not popular votes in the UN.
You cannot vote out a country out of existence as much as You cannot vote it into existence.

If 2 billion Muslims all jump shout all together "Israel is illegitimate" for a year non-stop, it still exists and kicking.Tried that song for 70 years already, and all of You know how easy it is to push Israel to the edge now, and all of us know where it's going.

That thing about Messiah in Your signature, is what You're most afraid of, and what we're most expecting.
You can build the Mountain with us, or go to war against it, but it will be built, and all those who build it with the nation of Israel will only win.

yours Mean, by force you are invade holly land and by force holly land will be freed.

It's already the most free country in the region,
if not an exemplary case for the entire world given the circumstances.
Certainly better than any Arab or Muslim run country You'll find.

No force is powerful to withstand G-d's decisions,
billions of Muslims who cannot stand Israel's revival, will attest to that.

That is exactly you people are you people create lies and then propagate it like a truth means make fool others and yourself. For example you call yourself special race but nobody else in the world consider you special.
Now As you are created g-d, but no body knows who the hell you are, who follow the g-d and then who gd is.
Now You appear from somewhere After 4 thousands years and created israel even Jacob PBUH didn't claim it actually who got the title of Israel, not the sinner yahuda.

Now And If you are comparing gd to GOD then again you are making fool to gd and yourself because you don't believe in Ala but in yourself.

Please follow my signature comments. It is written for jew only. Just look at your past and calculate that how many time you through from different type of difficult time.

When I look at Your history I felt like people are treating you, like kicking/pushing you around how un respectful life you people are leading but not learning.

The idea you people are chasing is a flop idea please give up 3/4 thousands years too much to learns. I am only trying to help you out and these things you can't see through your history, I am trying to show you.

Just learn from your history that how many time in history you people kicked around by others.

That's a nice big salad of words, but here's the problem - did You manage to contradict anything I've said?
Please, show me one country in the middle east as developed and free as Israel.

Let's see You for once use actual facts to backup all that mindless drivel.

Can you run Israel as a country the way UAE is? even though its a Monarchy but it is more open than any country in the world and Israel can not match with it.

Temple and monarchy are all part of the package, just not the kind of monarchy You imagine, a king from the house of David will "coronate" Hashem for the world and human kings eventually bow the knee.

Until that is fulfilled, Israel ranks higher on the human development report than the UAE.

| Human Development Reports - Israel index 0.903
| Human Development Reports - UAE index 0.863

 

[The Original Tree]

The Old and New Testament colors my world view and they are The Word of God and in agreement with each other.

The Koran is not Tbe Word of God, It is a lie from allah (Satan) who hates God The Son Jesus. Jesus is resurrected and cannot die because He Is God.

Allah is not God. Allah is Lucifer.

It was Lucifer Satan that appeared to the false Prophet Muhammad, and it is Muhammad that Jesus will come back to Judge and defeat and send to Hell along with The Devil and False Prophet.

Hear the truth or be condemned with the deceived.

Well this is super fun. A Muslim and a Christian debating what Jews believe.

Jews believe in the Messiah, correct?
Maybe watering it down for you, makes it easier. Christians would have a far better understanding of what Jews believe than an Arab Muslim who is hostile towards both Jews and Christians.

Not your version of a Messiah.

Your condescension is disgusting.

Your Christian hostility towards Jewish belief is just as ugly as Islam's hostility towards Jewish belief.

Neither Muslims nor Christians understand Jewish belief. Your faith colours your worldview.

 

[The Original Tree]

You are highly ignorant and uneducated. Not one thing you wrote was true.

Why do you bother telling such lies that educated people can see right through?

It’s a waste of my time and yours.

Actually Israel or The Promised Land and it’s borders were defined for Abraham thousands of years ago.

Moses was a Hebrew, and His People lived in The Promised Land long before they became captives and were migrated to Egypt.

Moses returned The Hebrews to Land they had already inhabited for thousands of years.

The Hebrews have inhabited The Promised Land for Thousands of Years and survived The Babylonian Empire, Assyrian Empire, Egyptian Empire and Roman Empire.

That is how long they have been in what is called Israel today.

1).Just 4000 years ago. And people Arab pagan were living there as Loot PBUH is a good example as he left Abraham PBUH and lived with Arab pagan.
2) What is the guaranty that Moses PBUH promised to them because He PBUH never enter in Holly land instead Moses PBUH disappear in mountain because he got too old and jew gave him really hard time for 40 years in harsh desert keep testing him that if you are prophet of God show us some miracle and they keep troubling him PBUH.
I will say jew made up that Moses PBUH directed us. I will say He PBUH just got fed up and fled/disappear. I will say then those jew by accidentally end up in this area we called Holly Land.
3). Again it never be Hebrews land as they migrated from Iraqi village and again Jerusalem was not part of Abraham PBUH and family, Israel is a title which was given to Jacob PBUH but Jew never owned it because that is how jew are they don't believe in God/prophets but they only believe in themselves they preferred to called themselves jew instead Israeli.
4). Now why they using the name of Israel because this is the only way they can fool to the world especially Muslim/Christian.
5) Ask to any Jew Rabbi that ever any Jew Prophets ever born or enter in holly Land, he will say NO.

OK. Then point out what is not true?

Jesus is not a Muslim. He is God With Us, Emanuel. He is The Lamb of God, Messiah Bin Joseph who suffered for his people, was crucified, yet because He was God, could have at any time commanded Millions of Angels to stop The Crucifixion.

He willingly offered Himself up as a payment for all Sin to Fulfill The Old Testament Scriptures Announcing His Eventual Coming.

He Willingly allowed Himself to experience Death, then by his Own Will descended in to Hell, confiscated The Keys To Hell, and To Death, was Resurrected to The Glory of God, because He was God, Preached to many, appeared to many, and Ascended to Heaven where He sits at The Right Hand of God.

Jesus is not coming back as a prophet. He is coming back as God the Son, to Rule over the World, and To Sit Upon Adam's Throne on Judgment Day to judge all those who worship false gods, and who have rejected His Salvation.

It is The False Prophet, and Antichrist who Jesus will come from Heaven to Battle and Defeat, and he will bind them along with Satan who calls himself allah and cast all of them in to Hell for 1,000 years and usher in The Millennial Reign of The Prince of Peace, Jesus, Messiah Bin David.

After the 1,000 years, Jesus will release allah, The False Prophet and Antichrist to test The World once more to see whom they will follow, only He will remain seated upon The Throne.

Only through Jesus The Christ, can all people who chose to inherit The Blessing of Abraham, and share in all God's Blessings and Promises that He gave to both Jew and Gentile through His Word, and Through His Own Actions and Covenants with His Chosen People whom He Chose to Deliver His Word to Man Through, and to Bring The Messiah Through.

 

[The Original Tree]

This was the area of land designated for Israel over 100 years ago agreed to all parties involved in The League of Nations, The Balfour Declaration, and by The Palestine High Commission. Anything East of The Jordan is TransJordan and is intended to be for The so Called Palestinians.

1920–1948

Mandatory Palestine - Wikipedia

 

[José]

And this was intended to be used in mentally retarded trees that don't understand shit about the conflict in Palestine:

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Israel should immediately cease to exist as a Jewish state. It should immediately become a secular state and discard any and all semblance of government sponsorship and endorsement of Judaism.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Israel should immediately cease to exist as a Jewish state. It should immediately become a secular state and discard any and all semblance of government sponsorship and endorsement of Judaism.

So, in your words.....

Israel should become a Christian State

Israel should become an Islamic State

All Jews should convert to Christianity

All Jews should convert to Islam



Which ones do you choose?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

So, in your words.....

Israel should become a Christian State

Israel should become an Islamic State

All Jews should convert to Christianity

All Jews should convert to Islam



Which ones do you choose?

How you got any of this this from, "It should immediately become a secular state" is anyone's guess. I will guess drugs.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

So, in your words.....

Israel should become a Christian State

Israel should become an Islamic State

All Jews should convert to Christianity

All Jews should convert to Islam



Which ones do you choose?

How you got any of this this from, "It should immediately become a secular state" is anyone's guess. I will guess drugs.

I guess you've never lived in Israel. My relatives are like Hebrew-speaking Gentiles who live in Israel, unfortunately. Most of them do not keep Sabbath or kosher.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

So, in your words.....

Israel should become a Christian State

Israel should become an Islamic State

All Jews should convert to Christianity

All Jews should convert to Islam



Which ones do you choose?

How you got any of this this from, "It should immediately become a secular state" is anyone's guess. I will guess drugs.

I guess you've never lived in Israel. My relatives are like Hebrew-speaking Gentiles who live in Israel, unfortunately. Most of them do not keep Sabbath or kosher.

Great! Then ending the jewish State and replacing it with a secular State should be a piece of cake, right?

No?

Why not? How can this be, when you just assured me via implication that your personal anecdote is somehow good evidence that the people of israel are generally secular already?

Perhaps.... many, or even most of them, aren't so secular?

 

[Shusha]

Israel should immediately cease to exist as a Jewish state. It should immediately become a secular state and discard any and all semblance of government sponsorship and endorsement of Judaism.

Then all Muslim states and Christian states should do the same.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Then all Muslim states and Christian states should do the same.

I agree 100%.

 

[The Original Tree]

Too bad you don’t understand Facts and things like History, International Law and Treaties.

Islam is responsible for the extermination of 10 Million Jews in WW I & WW II and you won’t even allow them to live in Their Promised Land as decreed in The Old Testament.

It’s only the size of New Jersey, meanwhile Arabs and Muslims inhabit an area 3 times the size of the Untied States.

Doubtful you even know how to use a chainsaw or have ever had callouses on your hand or even have held a real job.

And this was intended to be used in mentally retarded trees that don't understand shit about the conflict in Palestine:

 

[The Original Tree]

Islam does not recognize a separation of Church and State. In fact they demand it be inseparable.

How about all these Islamic States convert to secular state and just leave Israel alone?

Israel should immediately cease to exist as a Jewish state. It should immediately become a secular state and discard any and all semblance of government sponsorship and endorsement of Judaism.

So, in your words.....

Israel should become a Christian State

Israel should become an Islamic State

All Jews should convert to Christianity

All Jews should convert to Islam



Which ones do you choose?

 

[rylah]

Israel should immediately cease to exist as a Jewish state. It should immediately become a secular state and discard any and all semblance of government sponsorship and endorsement of Judaism.

What for, it's sounds so boring and uninspiring.
Is there an example of a fully secular and successful state to begin with?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Is there an example of a fully secular and successful state to begin with

Yes, the united atates ia a secular state.

 

[rylah]

Is there an example of a fully secular and successful state to begin with

Yes, the united atates ia a secular state.

In Whom do You put Your trust?