The OLDER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

[Shusha]

The tread title contains; “the creation of Israel” which makes my posts relevant to the subject.

Oops. Our bad. Should have said the RE-CREATION of Israel.

 

[Slyhunter]

To be against Israel is to be against God.
I'm Agnostic so let me say it a different way.
To be against Israel is to be against everyone who believe in God.
That's a lot of people.

 

[watchingfromafar]

To be against Israel is to be against everyone who believe in God.

At one point in my life I would have agreed with you. But after reading the following------
[1] Hagana, Irgun and Stern gangs who threw bombs into buses, assassinated British and other officials and murdered Palestinians way before the Palestinians retaliated in kind. (what goes around comes around)

[2] IDF snipers picking out and shooting “children” in cold blood.

[3] Entire Palestinian villages whipped out, men, women and children and then building illegal settlements on top of the rubble.

https://rense.com//general21/pastzionist.htm

If this doesn’t sicken you then you are part of the problem.

But don’t just reject or accept what I have posted.

Google “Israel shooting children”

Google “Israel illegal settlements”

Once done, come back and try to defend what you saw/read------

 

[Hollie]

To be against Israel is to be against everyone who believe in God.

At one point in my life I would have agreed with you. But after reading the following------
[1] Hagana, Irgun and Stern gangs who threw bombs into buses, assassinated British and other officials and murdered Palestinians way before the Palestinians retaliated in kind. (what goes around comes around)

[2] IDF snipers picking out and shooting “children” in cold blood.

[3] Entire Palestinian villages whipped out, men, women and children and then building illegal settlements on top of the rubble.

https://rense.com//general21/pastzionist.htm

If this doesn’t sicken you then you are part of the problem.

But don’t just reject or accept what I have posted.

Google “Israel shooting children”

Google “Israel illegal settlements”

Once done, come back and try to defend what you saw/read------

I think the problem you share with a few others is copying and pasting from one of the most notorious internet tabloids and then proceeding on with the attitude, “well, I dun’ seen it on the inter web so it must be true”

You can choose to be a gullible.

 

[Hollie]

"Watchingfromafar" is one of the many birds who like to fly over to these threads and spread some religion and other nonsense which haver nothing to do with the threads per se.

The Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

The tread title contains; “the creation of Israel” which makes my posts relevant to the subject.

Palestine was flooded with Jews just after WW2 because no country wanted them in their country and as a result the indigenous Palestinians have suffered the consequences. If the Israeli’s had their way they would wipe out the Palestinian population. The only thing stopping them now from engaging in this genocide is the UN watching and NATO.

If they had chosen to call their new-found country by any other name the biblical connection couldn’t be made; but they instead chose to call their new country “Israel” which makes it relevant to use biblical references to the existence of Israel.

I am not going to cry over spilt milk, what was done is done. Now I feel they need to be held accountable, biblically because of the name they chose to call their new country and accountable in their actions since becoming a country.

If people don’t like to hear the truth about their beloved country they can do as Trump does and just lie and call the evidence I present “fake news”. This seems to work for trump so why not you too.

In my opinion Israel should never have been recognized as a country or allowed into the UN.

The Truth Will Set You free

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Look--- no Israel could be found

“I am not going to cry over spilt milk, ....”

Oh, but you are crying, and agonizing and obsessing.

The Truth Will Cause You Angst.

 

[Hollie]

You can choose to be a gullible.

Google "IDF shooting children"

Nov 23, 2004 - Radio exchange contradicts army version of Gaza killing.
Israel 'killed 25 Palestinian children' in three months | News | Al Jazeera

www.aljazeera.com/.../israel-killed-25-palestinian-children-months-16051414083314...

May 14, 2016 - UNICEF warns of excessive use of force, particularly in relation to incidents where Palestinian children were shot dead. ... the example on October 25 in Hebron in the West Bank of a 17-year-old girl who was "taken by IDF (Israel Defence Forces) soldiers for a search, shot with at least five bullets and killed".
2016 'deadliest year' for West Bank children in decade | News | Al ...
www.aljazeera.com/.../2016-deadliest-year-west-bank-children-decade-17010314502...

May 14, 2016 - UNICEF cited the example on October 25 in Hebron in the West Bank of a 17-year-old girl who was "taken by IDF (Israel Defence Forces) soldiers for a search, shot with at least five bullets and killed". "Israeli authorities said that she had attempted to stab a policeman, however an eyewitness stated that she ...
Israeli shoots dead Palestinian after group of children comes under ...
Israeli shoots dead Palestinian after group of children comes under attack

12 yr old boy SHOT DEAD in front of your eyes
Updated 9.48 p.m., 3rd Oct 2000
A 12 Year old Boy Shot Dead in front of YOUR Eyes

Gaza girl said killed
By Amos Harel and Nir Hasson, Haaretz Correspondents,
and Haaretz Service
Thu., October 28, 2004
IDF troops shot and killed an 8-year-old Palestinian girl who was on her way to school in a Gaza Strip refugee camp
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/494672.html

UN officials: Girl hit by IDF gunfire in UN school in Gaza
By Amos Harel, Haaretz Correspondent and AP
Tue., October 12, 2004 Tishrei 27, 5765
An 11-year-old Palestinian girl was shot in the stomach and critically wounded by Israel Defense Forces gunfire. IDF troops fired two shots, one of the shots hit a fifth-grade student at the school. Last month, a 10-year-old girl was killed by IDF gunfire while sitting at her desk at the same school.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/487788.html

United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) 7 September 2004 At 07:45 10-year old Raghda Adnan Al-Assar was struck in the head by Israeli fire while sitting at her desk in UNRWA's Elementary

Girl's School On June 1 this year two ten-year old children in UNRWA's
Al-Umariye Elementary Boys' School in Rafah were hit by a bullet from a Israeli tank

In March 2003
12-year old Hoda Darwish was hit in the head by a bullet fired Two 10 year-old schoolchildren were shot in the al-Omaria school run by UNRWA in Rafah, when an Israeli tank fired into their classroom.
Bullets fired from the tank flew through the classroom window, hitting Mahmoud Hamad in the neck and Hisham al Habil in the head. The boys had not even been sitting by the windows but in the middle of the room. (this was an assassination of specific children by the IDF)
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/index.html

Photos of a 12 year old palestinian boy being shot by Israeli soldiers and the ambulance driver who tried to save him also being shot and killed.
http://www.palestine-net.com/misc/durra/

Three-year-old Rawan Abu Zeid, who took bullets in the neck and head while buying candy with her friends.
5 June 2004
The New Yorker’s Israel: Where Objectivity Fails

An eight-year-old Palestinian girl shot dead by Israeli troops in the central Gaza Strip was killed while showing off her new school uniform to friends
Lend me your swords

Boy of 17, shot by Israeli soldiers, left bleeding overnight to die
September 8, 2003
The bullet ridden corpse of Mohammad Abdullah Abu al-Husni, was found yesterday morning near the town of Jabaliya, where he lived in Gaza.
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/updates/left_to_die.htm

Haneen, who was eight years old, had been shot twice in the head by an Israeli soldier as she walked down the street in Khan Yunis refugee camp with her mother.

28 July 2003
She was coming down the street and ran to me and hugged me, crying,
'Mother, mother'. Two bullets hit her in the head, one straight after the other.

She was still in my arms and she died."​

'I can't imagine anyone who considers himself a human being can do this'

This boy was in his own house and an IDF soldier barges into the house and shoots him dead Mohammed a 7-year-old boy fell dead, still clutching his piece of bread.
Tuesday December 23, 2003
Israel Army action breeds fresh hatred

Israel Baby is born then dies
September 11, 2003
Birth and death at the checkpoint
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/338937.html

Three shot in the back by Israeli snipers, one a 15-year-old boy
Siege off Nablus
January, 2004
15 year old boy who was shot while standing in front of his house. The sniper bulet hit Amjad in the back. He died on his way to the hospital. The second is Amer Kathym Arafat who was also shot in the back by a sniper bullet. The third is Rouhi Hazem Shouman, 25, who was also shot in the back by a sniper.
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/appeals/lift_the_siege.htm

You can choose to be a gullible.

Yes, that’s a lot of cutting and pasting and not surprisingly, you ducked any accountability for your gullibility while cutting and pasting from internet tabloids.

Why don’t you give us some specific details on one or more of the articles you cut and pasted so we can have some context as opposed to cut and paste snippets of articles you carefully culled from the web.

The Twoof Is Not What Cut And Paste Groupies Cut And Paste From Internet Tabloids.

 

[watchingfromafar]

Why don’t you give us some specific details on one or more of the articles you cut and pasted so we can have some context

FIRST ACTS OF TERRORISM, COINING THE PHRASE

JUST FOLLOW THE BLUE COLOR​

November 6, 1944. Zionist terrorists of the Stern Gang assassinated the British Minister Resident in the Middle East, Lord Moyne, in Cairo.

July 22, 1946. Zionist terrorists blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem,.,.,killing or injuring more than 200 persons.

October 1, 1946. The British Embassy in Rome was badly damaged by bomb explosions, for which Irgun claimed responsibility.

September 3, 1947. A postal bomb addressed to the British War Office exploded in the post office sorting room in London, injuring 2 persons. It was attributed to Irgun or Stern Gangs. (The Sunday Times, Sept. 24, 1972, p.8)

December ll, 1947. Six Arabs were killed and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab buses in Haifa; 12 Arabs were killed and others injured in an attack by armed Zionists on an Arab coastal village near Haifa.

December 19, 1947. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blowing up two houses in the ruins of which were found the bodies of 10 Arabs, including 5 children. Haganah admitted responsibility for the attack.

December 13, 1947 -- February 10, 1948. Seven incidents of bomb-tossing at innocent Arab civilians in cafes and markets, killing 138 and wounding 271 others, During this period, there were 9 attacks on Arab buses. Zionists mined passenger trains on at least 4 occasions, killing 93 persons and wounding 161 others.

December 29, 1947. Two British constables and 11 Arabs were killed and 32 Arabs injured, at the Damascus Gate in Jerusalem when Irgun members threw a bomb from a taxi.

June 1947. Letters sent to British Cabinet Ministers were found to contain bombs.

December ll, 1947. Six Arabs were killed and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab buses in Haifa ; 12 Arabs were killed and others injured in an attack by armed Zionists on an Arab coastal village near Haifa.

December 29, 1947. Two British constables and 11 Arabs were killed and 32 Arabs injured, at the Damascus Gate in Jerusalem when Irgun members threw a bomb from a taxi.

January 4, 1948. Haganah terrorists wearing British Army uniforms penetrated into the center of Jaffa and blew up the Serai (the old Turkish Government House) killing more than 40 persons and wounding 98 others.

January 5, 1948. The Arab-owned Semiramis Hotel in Jerusalem was blown up, killing 20 persons.

January 7, 1948. Seventeen Arabs were killed by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem, 3 of them while trying to escape. Further casualties, including the murder of a British officer near Hebron, were reported from different parts of the country.

January 16, 1948. Zionists blew up three Arab buildings. In the first, 8 children between the ages of 18 months and 12 years, died.

February 15, 1948. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blew up several houses, killing 11 Arabs, including 4 children.

March 3, 1948. Heavy damage was done to the Arab-owned Salam building in Haifa by Zionists who drove an army lorry ( truck) up to the building and escaped before the detonation of 400 Ib. of explosives; casualties numbered 11 Arabs and 3 Armenians killed and 23 injured.

March 22, 1948. A housing block in Iraq Street in Haifa was blown up killing 17 and injuring 100 others. Four members of the Stern Gang drove two truck-loads of explosives into the street and abandoned the vehicles before the explosion.

March 31, 1948. The Cairo-Haifa Express was mined, for the second time in a month, by an electronically-detonated land mine near Benyamina, killing 40 persons and wounding 60 others.

April 9, 1948. A combined force of Irgun Zvai Leumi and the Stern Gang, captured the Arab village of Deir Yassin and killed more than 200 unarmed civilians, including countless women and children. Older men and young women were paraded in chains in the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem; 20 of the hostages were then in the quarry of Gevaat Shaul.

April 16, 1948. Zionists attacked the former British army camp at Tel Litvinsky, killing 90 Arabs there.

April 19, 1948. Fourteen Arabs were killed in a house in Tiberias, which was blown up by Zionist terrorists.

May 3, 1948. A book bomb addressed to a British Army officer, who had been stationed in Palestine exploded, killing his brother, Rex Farran.

May11, 1948. A letter bomb addressed to Sir Evelyn Barker, former Commanding Officer in Palestine, was detected in the nick of time by his wife.

April 25, 1948 -- May 13, 1948. Wholesale looting of Jaffa was carried out following armed attacks by Irgun and Haganah terrorists. They stripped and carried away everything they could, destroying what they could not take with them.

Israeli intelligence service, Mossad, has confirmed that the Israeli art students were, in fact, part of a major Israeli intelligence operation and that they were conducting surveillance of the activities of the 9-11 hijackers. They also worked with the Israeli Urban Moving System employees in New Jersey who were seen in at least two Jersey City locations -- Liberty State Park and The Doric apartment building -- celebrating the impact of the first plane into the World Trade Center.

The Israelis at Liberty State Park were dressed in Arab-style clothing when they were witnessed celebrating the first attack. The FBI later confiscated a videotape they filmed of the first attack.
Israeli art students who shadowed 9-11 hijackers were part of a major Mossad intelligence operation - Looking Glass News

 

[watchingfromafar]

Why don’t you give us some specific details on one or more of the articles you cut and pasted so we can have some context

Links were included

 

[Hollie]

Why don’t you give us some specific details on one or more of the articles you cut and pasted so we can have some context

FIRST ACTS OF TERRORISM, COINING THE PHRASE

JUST FOLLOW THE BLUE COLOR​

November 6, 1944. Zionist terrorists of the Stern Gang assassinated the British Minister Resident in the Middle East, Lord Moyne, in Cairo.

July 22, 1946. Zionist terrorists blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem,.,.,killing or injuring more than 200 persons.

October 1, 1946. The British Embassy in Rome was badly damaged by bomb explosions, for which Irgun claimed responsibility.

September 3, 1947. A postal bomb addressed to the British War Office exploded in the post office sorting room in London, injuring 2 persons. It was attributed to Irgun or Stern Gangs. (The Sunday Times, Sept. 24, 1972, p.8)

December ll, 1947. Six Arabs were killed and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab buses in Haifa; 12 Arabs were killed and others injured in an attack by armed Zionists on an Arab coastal village near Haifa.

December 19, 1947. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blowing up two houses in the ruins of which were found the bodies of 10 Arabs, including 5 children. Haganah admitted responsibility for the attack.

December 13, 1947 -- February 10, 1948. Seven incidents of bomb-tossing at innocent Arab civilians in cafes and markets, killing 138 and wounding 271 others, During this period, there were 9 attacks on Arab buses. Zionists mined passenger trains on at least 4 occasions, killing 93 persons and wounding 161 others.

December 29, 1947. Two British constables and 11 Arabs were killed and 32 Arabs injured, at the Damascus Gate in Jerusalem when Irgun members threw a bomb from a taxi.

June 1947. Letters sent to British Cabinet Ministers were found to contain bombs.

December ll, 1947. Six Arabs were killed and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab buses in Haifa ; 12 Arabs were killed and others injured in an attack by armed Zionists on an Arab coastal village near Haifa.

December 29, 1947. Two British constables and 11 Arabs were killed and 32 Arabs injured, at the Damascus Gate in Jerusalem when Irgun members threw a bomb from a taxi.

January 4, 1948. Haganah terrorists wearing British Army uniforms penetrated into the center of Jaffa and blew up the Serai (the old Turkish Government House) killing more than 40 persons and wounding 98 others.

January 5, 1948. The Arab-owned Semiramis Hotel in Jerusalem was blown up, killing 20 persons.

January 7, 1948. Seventeen Arabs were killed by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem, 3 of them while trying to escape. Further casualties, including the murder of a British officer near Hebron, were reported from different parts of the country.

January 16, 1948. Zionists blew up three Arab buildings. In the first, 8 children between the ages of 18 months and 12 years, died.

February 15, 1948. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blew up several houses, killing 11 Arabs, including 4 children.

March 3, 1948. Heavy damage was done to the Arab-owned Salam building in Haifa by Zionists who drove an army lorry ( truck) up to the building and escaped before the detonation of 400 Ib. of explosives; casualties numbered 11 Arabs and 3 Armenians killed and 23 injured.

March 22, 1948. A housing block in Iraq Street in Haifa was blown up killing 17 and injuring 100 others. Four members of the Stern Gang drove two truck-loads of explosives into the street and abandoned the vehicles before the explosion.

March 31, 1948. The Cairo-Haifa Express was mined, for the second time in a month, by an electronically-detonated land mine near Benyamina, killing 40 persons and wounding 60 others.

April 9, 1948. A combined force of Irgun Zvai Leumi and the Stern Gang, captured the Arab village of Deir Yassin and killed more than 200 unarmed civilians, including countless women and children. Older men and young women were paraded in chains in the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem; 20 of the hostages were then in the quarry of Gevaat Shaul.

April 16, 1948. Zionists attacked the former British army camp at Tel Litvinsky, killing 90 Arabs there.

April 19, 1948. Fourteen Arabs were killed in a house in Tiberias, which was blown up by Zionist terrorists.

May 3, 1948. A book bomb addressed to a British Army officer, who had been stationed in Palestine exploded, killing his brother, Rex Farran.

May11, 1948. A letter bomb addressed to Sir Evelyn Barker, former Commanding Officer in Palestine, was detected in the nick of time by his wife.

April 25, 1948 -- May 13, 1948. Wholesale looting of Jaffa was carried out following armed attacks by Irgun and Haganah terrorists. They stripped and carried away everything they could, destroying what they could not take with them.

Israeli intelligence service, Mossad, has confirmed that the Israeli art students were, in fact, part of a major Israeli intelligence operation and that they were conducting surveillance of the activities of the 9-11 hijackers. They also worked with the Israeli Urban Moving System employees in New Jersey who were seen in at least two Jersey City locations -- Liberty State Park and The Doric apartment building -- celebrating the impact of the first plane into the World Trade Center.

The Israelis at Liberty State Park were dressed in Arab-style clothing when they were witnessed celebrating the first attack. The FBI later confiscated a videotape they filmed of the first attack.
Israeli art students who shadowed 9-11 hijackers were part of a major Mossad intelligence operation - Looking Glass News

It appears you simply cut and pasted from the internet tabloid you cut and pasted from earlier.


It was only a matter of time before the silly 9-11 conspiracy theories made an appearance.

There’s an entire forum dedicated to you twoofers.

 

[watchingfromafar]

It appears you simply cut and pasted from the internet tabloid you cut and pasted from earlier.

By not addressing the articles themselves but instead you chastise me instead proves you have nothing of substance to offer.
Having said that I like you so I will stick around as one friend to another and offer what support I can to help you along the path to truth

 

[Hollie]

It appears you simply cut and pasted from the internet tabloid you cut and pasted from earlier.

By not addressing the articles themselves but instead you chastise me instead proves you have nothing of substance to offer.
Having said that I like you so I will stick around as one friend to another and offer what support I can to help you along the path to truth

Your cut and paste article from Rense was from an unidentified author without a single citation.

Your cutting and pasting is completely off topic so if you’re going to stick around, cut and paste something related to this thread.

 

[Shusha]

By not addressing the articles themselves but instead you chastise me instead proves you have nothing of substance to offer.
Having said that I like you so I will stick around as one friend to another and offer what support I can to help you along the path to truth

It is not your intent to discuss any of these articles or events. You are posting them in order to demonize Israel and Israel alone, without recognition or acknowledgement of events committed by Arabs during the conflict. Paired with your silly insistence that Israel never historically existed, it paints a clear picture of toxic and unreasonable hatred of Jews.

 

[flacaltenn]

Posters that can't stick to the history up to the creation of the State of Israel will be ejected. This thread was started by moderation to CONFINE the topic in that manner. Anything after 1950 or so will be deleted or warned or the member thread banned.

If you want to discuss OTHER time frames -- create the thread or find one to continue under.

 

[Slyhunter]

To be against Israel is to be against everyone who believe in God.

At one point in my life I would have agreed with you. But after reading the following------
[1] Hagana, Irgun and Stern gangs who threw bombs into buses, assassinated British and other officials and murdered Palestinians way before the Palestinians retaliated in kind. (what goes around comes around)

[2] IDF snipers picking out and shooting “children” in cold blood.

[3] Entire Palestinian villages whipped out, men, women and children and then building illegal settlements on top of the rubble.

https://rense.com//general21/pastzionist.htm

If this doesn’t sicken you then you are part of the problem.

But don’t just reject or accept what I have posted.

Google “Israel shooting children”

Google “Israel illegal settlements”

Once done, come back and try to defend what you saw/read------

Google is a Liberal anti-Israel source.
Where are the Palestinians building permits? Where are the Palestinians Title of Ownerships? They are the illegal settlers on Israels land.

 

[Sixties Fan]

To be against Israel is to be against everyone who believe in God.

At one point in my life I would have agreed with you. But after reading the following------
[1] Hagana, Irgun and Stern gangs who threw bombs into buses, assassinated British and other officials and murdered Palestinians way before the Palestinians retaliated in kind. (what goes around comes around)

[2] IDF snipers picking out and shooting “children” in cold blood.

[3] Entire Palestinian villages whipped out, men, women and children and then building illegal settlements on top of the rubble.

https://rense.com//general21/pastzionist.htm

If this doesn’t sicken you then you are part of the problem.

But don’t just reject or accept what I have posted.

Google “Israel shooting children”

Google “Israel illegal settlements”

Once done, come back and try to defend what you saw/read------

Google is a Liberal anti-Israel source.
Where are the Palestinians building permits? Where are the Palestinians Title of Ownerships? They are the illegal settlers on Israels land.

Please get back to topic.

 

[Slyhunter]

To be against Israel is to be against everyone who believe in God.

At one point in my life I would have agreed with you. But after reading the following------
[1] Hagana, Irgun and Stern gangs who threw bombs into buses, assassinated British and other officials and murdered Palestinians way before the Palestinians retaliated in kind. (what goes around comes around)

[2] IDF snipers picking out and shooting “children” in cold blood.

[3] Entire Palestinian villages whipped out, men, women and children and then building illegal settlements on top of the rubble.

https://rense.com//general21/pastzionist.htm

If this doesn’t sicken you then you are part of the problem.

But don’t just reject or accept what I have posted.

Google “Israel shooting children”

Google “Israel illegal settlements”

Once done, come back and try to defend what you saw/read------

Google is a Liberal anti-Israel source.
Where are the Palestinians building permits? Where are the Palestinians Title of Ownerships? They are the illegal settlers on Israels land.

Please get back to topic.

Israeli's were given the land a long time before there were Palestinians to contest it.

 

[Sixties Fan]

And THAT is not the topic of this thread.

Please stay on topic, thank you.

 

[watchingfromafar]

Israeli's were given the land a long time before there were Palestinians to contest it.

That just isn't true. At least biblical scripture disagrees with your view----- You are welcome to prove me wrong, that is if you can--

(Gen 41:39 KJV) And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, Forasmuch as God hath showed thee all this, there is none so discreet and wise as thou art:

(Gen 41:40 KJV) Thou shalt be over my house, and according unto thy word shall all my people be ruled: only in the throne will I be greater than thou.

(Gen 41:42 KJV) And Pharaoh took off his ring from his hand, and put it upon Joseph's hand, and arrayed him in vestures of fine linen, and put a gold chain about his neck;

(Gen 41:44 KJV) And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, I am Pharaoh, and without thee shall no man lift up his hand or foot in all the land of Egypt.

Gen 41:46 KJV) And Joseph was thirty years old when he stood before Pharaoh King of Egypt. And Joseph went out from the presence of Pharaoh, and went throughout all the land of Egypt.

Joseph who is now the de facto ruler over all of Egypt saves the Israelites who are experiencing a great famine and moves them to Egypt and gives them power over all the agriculture lands. Clearly they were not slaves as some would have believed.

(Gen 42:1 KJV) Now when Jacob saw that there was corn in Egypt, Jacob said unto his sons, why do ye look one upon another?

(Gen 42:2 KJV) And he said, Behold, I have heard that there is corn in Egypt: get you down thither, and buy for us from thence;

(Gen 42:5 KJV) And the sons of Israel came to buy corn among those that came: for the famine was in the land of Canaan.

(Gen 42:25 KJV) Then Joseph commanded to fill their sacks with corn, and to restore every man's money into his sack, and to give them provision for the way:

(Gen 45:20 KJV) Also regard not your stuff; for the good of all the land of Egypt is yours.

See above, they abandon the land of Canaan and move to Egypt

(Gen 45:21 KJV) And the children of Israel did so: and Joseph gave them wagons, according to the commandment of Pharaoh, and gave them provision for the way.

(Gen 47:1 KJV) Then Joseph came and told Pharaoh, and said, My father [ISRAEL] and my brethren, and their flocks, and their herds, and all that they have, are come out of the land of Canaan; and, behold, they are in the land of Goshen.

(Gen 47:3 KJV) And Pharaoh said unto his brethren, What is your occupation? And they said unto Pharaoh, Thy servants are shepherds, both we, and also our fathers.

(Gen 47:4 KJV) They said moreover unto Pharaoh, For to sojourn in the land are we come; for thy servants have no pasture for their flocks; for the famine is sore in the land of Canaan: now therefore, we pray thee, let thy servants dwell in the land of Goshen.

(Gen 47:5 KJV) And Pharaoh spake unto Joseph, saying, Thy father [ISRAEL] and thy brethren are come unto thee:

(Gen 47:6 KJV) The land of Egypt is before thee; in the best of the land make thy father and brethren to dwell; in the land of Goshen let them dwell: and if thou knowest any men of activity among them, then make them rulers over my cattle.

(Gen 47:11 KJV) And Joseph placed his father [ISRAEL] and his brethren, and gave them a possession in the land of Egypt, in the best of the land, in the land of Rameses, as Pharaoh had commanded.

Please, Slayhunter--; prove me wrong

 

[P F Tinmore]

Posters that can't stick to the history up to the creation of the State of Israel will be ejected. This thread was started by moderation to CONFINE the topic in that manner. Anything after 1950 or so will be deleted or warned or the member thread banned.

If you want to discuss OTHER time frames -- create the thread or find one to continue under.

What about things like ethnic cleansing, colonialism, and apartheid that started before 1948 and continue today?

 

[watchingfromafar]

And THAT is not the topic of this thread.

Forgive me, before seeing your post I made the post above that is not on topic as well.

It will not happen again