The OLDER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

[Sixties Fan]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
※→ watchingfromafar, et al,

Oh come on, let's be reasonable.

(COMMENT)

This is a propaganda line used to provoke an emotion (stir trouble) from people that don't understand what the representatives in Washington do, and how the annual budget process works. In a very high percentage (≈ 90%) of the US annual budget is not voted-on by the general citizenry, but by the Senatorial and House Representatives. In some cases, it is done by diplomatic arrangements, but the Senate still must approve the Foreign Agreements:

P.L. 115-141, the FY2018 Consolidated Appropriations Act, provides the following for Israel:
• Congressional Research Service www.crs.gov RL33222 •

• $3.1 billion in Foreign Military Financing, of which $815.3 million is for off-shore procurement;

• $705.8 million for joint U.S. - Israeli missile defense projects, including $92million for Iron Dome, $221.5 million for David's Sling, $310 million for Arrow 3, and $82.3 million for Arrow 2;

• $47.5 million for the U.S.-Israeli anti-tunnel cooperation program;

• $7.5 million in Migration and Refugee Assistance;

• $4 million for the establishment of a U.S.-Israel Center of Excellence in energy and water technologies;

• $2 million for the Israel-U.S. Binational Research & Development Foundation (BIRD) Energy program; and

• The reauthorization of War Reserves Stock Allies-Israel (WRSA-I) program through fiscal year 2019​

Don't confuse the meaning of "Foreign Military Financing." While some of is no the form of grants, some is in the form of loans. and loans to help countries purchase weapons and defense equipment produced in the United States

(COMMENT)

Well, this is done to maintain the “qualitative military edge” (QME) in the defensive combat ca[[abiities over potential enemies throughout the region.

(COMMENT)

Don't confuse "annual" FMS and the "cumulative" Defesne and Military Aid. While you did quote the 2016 CRS on Relations and how the Israeli relations with Regional Arab issues --- impact the relationship with the US. That political data is about four-to-five years old; --- the CRS on U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel (supra) puts a much more realistic view on the graeter issue of aid and some of the reasoning.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, Israel is the mooch capital of the world.

Indeed, that's an ignorant comment relative to Israel developing a world class economy.

Indeed, perhaps you could compare for us the GDP of Israel vs. that of Gaza'istan. I'll even allow you to include the welfare fraud that sustains the Islamic terrorist enclave of Gaza'istan.

I'll start here: Israel Economy Facts & Stats

With what Israel has stolen and mooched, Haiti would be a prosperous country.

Take this derailing of the thread to the "Who are the Palestinians" thread.

After all, with what the PA and Hamas have been given or stolen from around the world, they could have had two very successful countries in Gaza and the PA territories.

If only they were about constructing a country and not destroying Israel and historical non Muslim places in the area, they would have had one heck of a tourism industry.

Instead, all one has are very "fat" cats in the Hamas, Fatah, PLO leadership living the life they could not lead had they done things honestly and legally.

Cheating and killing others is what is known as hard work and success with some Muslim Arabs.

A practice going on all the way back to Mohammad himself.

The destruction of Palestine has always been Israel's goal and they have mooched enough equipment to do it.

1) ISRAEL IS PALESTINE, therefore Israel wanting to destroy itself is all in your sad Christian head. You really know how to invent things.

2) Again, for your frail mind......There NEVER, EVER was an Arab country called Palestine ANYWHERE in the world, much less on the LAND OF ISRAEL, which is what the Mandate for Palestine was on, and what it was for.
RECREATING the ancient Nation of Israel for the indigenous people of the land, THE JEWS, ON the Ancient homeland of their ancestors.


You do know what the facts are.
Now, be honest about them.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Indeed, Israel is the mooch capital of the world.

Indeed, that's an ignorant comment relative to Israel developing a world class economy.

Indeed, perhaps you could compare for us the GDP of Israel vs. that of Gaza'istan. I'll even allow you to include the welfare fraud that sustains the Islamic terrorist enclave of Gaza'istan.

I'll start here: Israel Economy Facts & Stats

With what Israel has stolen and mooched, Haiti would be a prosperous country.

Take this derailing of the thread to the "Who are the Palestinians" thread.

After all, with what the PA and Hamas have been given or stolen from around the world, they could have had two very successful countries in Gaza and the PA territories.

If only they were about constructing a country and not destroying Israel and historical non Muslim places in the area, they would have had one heck of a tourism industry.

Instead, all one has are very "fat" cats in the Hamas, Fatah, PLO leadership living the life they could not lead had they done things honestly and legally.

Cheating and killing others is what is known as hard work and success with some Muslim Arabs.

A practice going on all the way back to Mohammad himself.

The destruction of Palestine has always been Israel's goal and they have mooched enough equipment to do it.

1) ISRAEL IS PALESTINE, therefore Israel wanting to destroy itself is all in your sad Christian head. You really know how to invent things.

2) Again, for your frail mind......There NEVER, EVER was an Arab country called Palestine ANYWHERE in the world, much less on the LAND OF ISRAEL, which is what the Mandate for Palestine was on, and what it was for.
RECREATING the ancient Nation of Israel for the indigenous people of the land, THE JEWS, ON the Ancient homeland of their ancestors.


You do know what the facts are.
Now, be honest about them.

More BS Israeli talking points.

 

[Hollie]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
※→ watchingfromafar, et al,

Oh come on, let's be reasonable.

(COMMENT)

This is a propaganda line used to provoke an emotion (stir trouble) from people that don't understand what the representatives in Washington do, and how the annual budget process works. In a very high percentage (≈ 90%) of the US annual budget is not voted-on by the general citizenry, but by the Senatorial and House Representatives. In some cases, it is done by diplomatic arrangements, but the Senate still must approve the Foreign Agreements:

P.L. 115-141, the FY2018 Consolidated Appropriations Act, provides the following for Israel:
• Congressional Research Service www.crs.gov RL33222 •

• $3.1 billion in Foreign Military Financing, of which $815.3 million is for off-shore procurement;

• $705.8 million for joint U.S. - Israeli missile defense projects, including $92million for Iron Dome, $221.5 million for David's Sling, $310 million for Arrow 3, and $82.3 million for Arrow 2;

• $47.5 million for the U.S.-Israeli anti-tunnel cooperation program;

• $7.5 million in Migration and Refugee Assistance;

• $4 million for the establishment of a U.S.-Israel Center of Excellence in energy and water technologies;

• $2 million for the Israel-U.S. Binational Research & Development Foundation (BIRD) Energy program; and

• The reauthorization of War Reserves Stock Allies-Israel (WRSA-I) program through fiscal year 2019​

Don't confuse the meaning of "Foreign Military Financing." While some of is no the form of grants, some is in the form of loans. and loans to help countries purchase weapons and defense equipment produced in the United States

(COMMENT)

Well, this is done to maintain the “qualitative military edge” (QME) in the defensive combat ca[[abiities over potential enemies throughout the region.

(COMMENT)

Don't confuse "annual" FMS and the "cumulative" Defesne and Military Aid. While you did quote the 2016 CRS on Relations and how the Israeli relations with Regional Arab issues --- impact the relationship with the US. That political data is about four-to-five years old; --- the CRS on U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel (supra) puts a much more realistic view on the graeter issue of aid and some of the reasoning.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, Israel is the mooch capital of the world.

Indeed, that's an ignorant comment relative to Israel developing a world class economy.

Indeed, perhaps you could compare for us the GDP of Israel vs. that of Gaza'istan. I'll even allow you to include the welfare fraud that sustains the Islamic terrorist enclave of Gaza'istan.

I'll start here: Israel Economy Facts & Stats

With what Israel has stolen and mooched, Haiti would be a prosperous country.

Take this derailing of the thread to the "Who are the Palestinians" thread.

After all, with what the PA and Hamas have been given or stolen from around the world, they could have had two very successful countries in Gaza and the PA territories.

If only they were about constructing a country and not destroying Israel and historical non Muslim places in the area, they would have had one heck of a tourism industry.

Instead, all one has are very "fat" cats in the Hamas, Fatah, PLO leadership living the life they could not lead had they done things honestly and legally.

Cheating and killing others is what is known as hard work and success with some Muslim Arabs.

A practice going on all the way back to Mohammad himself.

The destruction of Palestine has always been Israel's goal and they have mooched enough equipment to do it.

Link?

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
※→ watchingfromafar, et al,

Oh come on, let's be reasonable.

(creation of Israel)​

The 51st State of the USA will be~~

For all practical purposes, Israel is America’s 51st State. The US gives Israel 10’s of $billions of dollars each year and yet American Citizen’s did not vote for this.

What’s up?

(COMMENT)

This is a propaganda line used to provoke an emotion (stir trouble) from people that don't understand what the representatives in Washington do, and how the annual budget process works. In a very high percentage (≈ 90%) of the US annual budget is not voted-on by the general citizenry, but by the Senatorial and House Representatives. In some cases, it is done by diplomatic arrangements, but the Senate still must approve the Foreign Agreements:

P.L. 115-141, the FY2018 Consolidated Appropriations Act, provides the following for Israel:
• Congressional Research Service www.crs.gov RL33222 •

• $3.1 billion in Foreign Military Financing, of which $815.3 million is for off-shore procurement;

• $705.8 million for joint U.S. - Israeli missile defense projects, including $92million for Iron Dome, $221.5 million for David's Sling, $310 million for Arrow 3, and $82.3 million for Arrow 2;

• $47.5 million for the U.S.-Israeli anti-tunnel cooperation program;

• $7.5 million in Migration and Refugee Assistance;

• $4 million for the establishment of a U.S.-Israel Center of Excellence in energy and water technologies;

• $2 million for the Israel-U.S. Binational Research & Development Foundation (BIRD) Energy program; and

• The reauthorization of War Reserves Stock Allies-Israel (WRSA-I) program through fiscal year 2019​

Don't confuse the meaning of "Foreign Military Financing." While some of is no the form of grants, some is in the form of loans. and loans to help countries purchase weapons and defense equipment produced in the United States

I think it is time for a national vote on this.

Either we bring in Israel as our 51st State and they pay their fair share or we stop the $billions in handouts.

How do you vote-?

(COMMENT)

Well, this is done to maintain the “qualitative military edge” (QME) in the defensive combat ca[[abiities over potential enemies throughout the region.

This report provides an overview of U.S. foreign assistance to Israel. It includes a review of past aid programs, data on annual assistance, and analysis of current issues. For general information on Israel, see CRS Report RL33476, Israel: Background and U.S. Relations, by Jim Zanotti. Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II. To date, the United States has provided Israel $127.4 billion (current, or non-inflation-adjusted, dollars) in bilateral assistance. Almost all U.S. bilateral aid to Israel is in the form of military assistance, although in the past Israel also received significant economic assistance.

(COMMENT)

Don't confuse "annual" FMS and the "cumulative" Defesne and Military Aid. While you did quote the 2016 CRS on Relations and how the Israeli relations with Regional Arab issues --- impact the relationship with the US. That political data is about four-to-five years old; --- the CRS on U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel (supra) puts a much more realistic view on the graeter issue of aid and some of the reasoning.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, Israel is the mooch capital of the world.

Indeed, that's an ignorant comment relative to Israel developing a world class economy.

Indeed, perhaps you could compare for us the GDP of Israel vs. that of Gaza'istan. I'll even allow you to include the welfare fraud that sustains the Islamic terrorist enclave of Gaza'istan.

I'll start here: Israel Economy Facts & Stats

With what Israel has stolen and mooched, Haiti would be a prosperous country.

Take this derailing of the thread to the "Who are the Palestinians" thread.

After all, with what the PA and Hamas have been given or stolen from around the world, they could have had two very successful countries in Gaza and the PA territories.

If only they were about constructing a country and not destroying Israel and historical non Muslim places in the area, they would have had one heck of a tourism industry.

Instead, all one has are very "fat" cats in the Hamas, Fatah, PLO leadership living the life they could not lead had they done things honestly and legally.

Cheating and killing others is what is known as hard work and success with some Muslim Arabs.

A practice going on all the way back to Mohammad himself.

So who is defending Palestine's oligarchs?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Indeed, Israel is the mooch capital of the world.

Indeed, that's an ignorant comment relative to Israel developing a world class economy.

Indeed, perhaps you could compare for us the GDP of Israel vs. that of Gaza'istan. I'll even allow you to include the welfare fraud that sustains the Islamic terrorist enclave of Gaza'istan.

I'll start here: Israel Economy Facts & Stats

With what Israel has stolen and mooched, Haiti would be a prosperous country.

Take this derailing of the thread to the "Who are the Palestinians" thread.

After all, with what the PA and Hamas have been given or stolen from around the world, they could have had two very successful countries in Gaza and the PA territories.

If only they were about constructing a country and not destroying Israel and historical non Muslim places in the area, they would have had one heck of a tourism industry.

Instead, all one has are very "fat" cats in the Hamas, Fatah, PLO leadership living the life they could not lead had they done things honestly and legally.

Cheating and killing others is what is known as hard work and success with some Muslim Arabs.

A practice going on all the way back to Mohammad himself.

The destruction of Palestine has always been Israel's goal and they have mooched enough equipment to do it.

Link?

 

[Sixties Fan]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
※→ watchingfromafar, et al,

Oh come on, let's be reasonable.

(COMMENT)

This is a propaganda line used to provoke an emotion (stir trouble) from people that don't understand what the representatives in Washington do, and how the annual budget process works. In a very high percentage (≈ 90%) of the US annual budget is not voted-on by the general citizenry, but by the Senatorial and House Representatives. In some cases, it is done by diplomatic arrangements, but the Senate still must approve the Foreign Agreements:

P.L. 115-141, the FY2018 Consolidated Appropriations Act, provides the following for Israel:
• Congressional Research Service www.crs.gov RL33222 •

• $3.1 billion in Foreign Military Financing, of which $815.3 million is for off-shore procurement;

• $705.8 million for joint U.S. - Israeli missile defense projects, including $92million for Iron Dome, $221.5 million for David's Sling, $310 million for Arrow 3, and $82.3 million for Arrow 2;

• $47.5 million for the U.S.-Israeli anti-tunnel cooperation program;

• $7.5 million in Migration and Refugee Assistance;

• $4 million for the establishment of a U.S.-Israel Center of Excellence in energy and water technologies;

• $2 million for the Israel-U.S. Binational Research & Development Foundation (BIRD) Energy program; and

• The reauthorization of War Reserves Stock Allies-Israel (WRSA-I) program through fiscal year 2019​

Don't confuse the meaning of "Foreign Military Financing." While some of is no the form of grants, some is in the form of loans. and loans to help countries purchase weapons and defense equipment produced in the United States

(COMMENT)

Well, this is done to maintain the “qualitative military edge” (QME) in the defensive combat ca[[abiities over potential enemies throughout the region.

(COMMENT)

Don't confuse "annual" FMS and the "cumulative" Defesne and Military Aid. While you did quote the 2016 CRS on Relations and how the Israeli relations with Regional Arab issues --- impact the relationship with the US. That political data is about four-to-five years old; --- the CRS on U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel (supra) puts a much more realistic view on the graeter issue of aid and some of the reasoning.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, Israel is the mooch capital of the world.

Indeed, that's an ignorant comment relative to Israel developing a world class economy.

Indeed, perhaps you could compare for us the GDP of Israel vs. that of Gaza'istan. I'll even allow you to include the welfare fraud that sustains the Islamic terrorist enclave of Gaza'istan.

I'll start here: Israel Economy Facts & Stats

With what Israel has stolen and mooched, Haiti would be a prosperous country.

Take this derailing of the thread to the "Who are the Palestinians" thread.

After all, with what the PA and Hamas have been given or stolen from around the world, they could have had two very successful countries in Gaza and the PA territories.

If only they were about constructing a country and not destroying Israel and historical non Muslim places in the area, they would have had one heck of a tourism industry.

Instead, all one has are very "fat" cats in the Hamas, Fatah, PLO leadership living the life they could not lead had they done things honestly and legally.

Cheating and killing others is what is known as hard work and success with some Muslim Arabs.

A practice going on all the way back to Mohammad himself.

So who is defending Palestine's oligarchs?

Keep showing your ignorance.

But you are really not ignorant, you just play one in real life.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Indeed, that's an ignorant comment relative to Israel developing a world class economy.

Indeed, perhaps you could compare for us the GDP of Israel vs. that of Gaza'istan. I'll even allow you to include the welfare fraud that sustains the Islamic terrorist enclave of Gaza'istan.

I'll start here: Israel Economy Facts & Stats

With what Israel has stolen and mooched, Haiti would be a prosperous country.

Take this derailing of the thread to the "Who are the Palestinians" thread.

After all, with what the PA and Hamas have been given or stolen from around the world, they could have had two very successful countries in Gaza and the PA territories.

If only they were about constructing a country and not destroying Israel and historical non Muslim places in the area, they would have had one heck of a tourism industry.

Instead, all one has are very "fat" cats in the Hamas, Fatah, PLO leadership living the life they could not lead had they done things honestly and legally.

Cheating and killing others is what is known as hard work and success with some Muslim Arabs.

A practice going on all the way back to Mohammad himself.

The destruction of Palestine has always been Israel's goal and they have mooched enough equipment to do it.

Link?

What, you made an allegation and you cannot back it up with a link to what you posted?

 

[Hollie]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
※→ watchingfromafar, et al,

Oh come on, let's be reasonable.

(creation of Israel)​

The 51st State of the USA will be~~

For all practical purposes, Israel is America’s 51st State. The US gives Israel 10’s of $billions of dollars each year and yet American Citizen’s did not vote for this.

What’s up?

(COMMENT)

This is a propaganda line used to provoke an emotion (stir trouble) from people that don't understand what the representatives in Washington do, and how the annual budget process works. In a very high percentage (≈ 90%) of the US annual budget is not voted-on by the general citizenry, but by the Senatorial and House Representatives. In some cases, it is done by diplomatic arrangements, but the Senate still must approve the Foreign Agreements:

P.L. 115-141, the FY2018 Consolidated Appropriations Act, provides the following for Israel:
• Congressional Research Service www.crs.gov RL33222 •

• $3.1 billion in Foreign Military Financing, of which $815.3 million is for off-shore procurement;

• $705.8 million for joint U.S. - Israeli missile defense projects, including $92million for Iron Dome, $221.5 million for David's Sling, $310 million for Arrow 3, and $82.3 million for Arrow 2;

• $47.5 million for the U.S.-Israeli anti-tunnel cooperation program;

• $7.5 million in Migration and Refugee Assistance;

• $4 million for the establishment of a U.S.-Israel Center of Excellence in energy and water technologies;

• $2 million for the Israel-U.S. Binational Research & Development Foundation (BIRD) Energy program; and

• The reauthorization of War Reserves Stock Allies-Israel (WRSA-I) program through fiscal year 2019​

Don't confuse the meaning of "Foreign Military Financing." While some of is no the form of grants, some is in the form of loans. and loans to help countries purchase weapons and defense equipment produced in the United States

I think it is time for a national vote on this.

Either we bring in Israel as our 51st State and they pay their fair share or we stop the $billions in handouts.

How do you vote-?

(COMMENT)

Well, this is done to maintain the “qualitative military edge” (QME) in the defensive combat ca[[abiities over potential enemies throughout the region.

This report provides an overview of U.S. foreign assistance to Israel. It includes a review of past aid programs, data on annual assistance, and analysis of current issues. For general information on Israel, see CRS Report RL33476, Israel: Background and U.S. Relations, by Jim Zanotti. Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II. To date, the United States has provided Israel $127.4 billion (current, or non-inflation-adjusted, dollars) in bilateral assistance. Almost all U.S. bilateral aid to Israel is in the form of military assistance, although in the past Israel also received significant economic assistance.

(COMMENT)

Don't confuse "annual" FMS and the "cumulative" Defesne and Military Aid. While you did quote the 2016 CRS on Relations and how the Israeli relations with Regional Arab issues --- impact the relationship with the US. That political data is about four-to-five years old; --- the CRS on U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel (supra) puts a much more realistic view on the graeter issue of aid and some of the reasoning.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, Israel is the mooch capital of the world.

Indeed, that's an ignorant comment relative to Israel developing a world class economy.

Indeed, perhaps you could compare for us the GDP of Israel vs. that of Gaza'istan. I'll even allow you to include the welfare fraud that sustains the Islamic terrorist enclave of Gaza'istan.

I'll start here: Israel Economy Facts & Stats

With what Israel has stolen and mooched, Haiti would be a prosperous country.

I was certain you would have no coherent response.

Lets give you another chance. How has Israel, in the relatively brief span of its existence, managed to overcome the wars of aggression and attempted destruction waged by Arabs-Moslems while simultaneously developing a first world economy?

Why are so many of the neighboring Arab-Moslem nations little more than third world by comparison?

Why are the islamic terrorist enclaves of Gaza'istan and Fatah'istan unable to transform from welfare dependent, islamic terrorist misfits, begging at the hand of kuffar Western donors to viable political and economic entities?

Shirley, you can find a YouTube video?

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
※→ watchingfromafar, et al,

Oh come on, let's be reasonable.

(creation of Israel)​

The 51st State of the USA will be~~

For all practical purposes, Israel is America’s 51st State. The US gives Israel 10’s of $billions of dollars each year and yet American Citizen’s did not vote for this.

What’s up?

(COMMENT)

This is a propaganda line used to provoke an emotion (stir trouble) from people that don't understand what the representatives in Washington do, and how the annual budget process works. In a very high percentage (≈ 90%) of the US annual budget is not voted-on by the general citizenry, but by the Senatorial and House Representatives. In some cases, it is done by diplomatic arrangements, but the Senate still must approve the Foreign Agreements:

P.L. 115-141, the FY2018 Consolidated Appropriations Act, provides the following for Israel:
• Congressional Research Service www.crs.gov RL33222 •

• $3.1 billion in Foreign Military Financing, of which $815.3 million is for off-shore procurement;

• $705.8 million for joint U.S. - Israeli missile defense projects, including $92million for Iron Dome, $221.5 million for David's Sling, $310 million for Arrow 3, and $82.3 million for Arrow 2;

• $47.5 million for the U.S.-Israeli anti-tunnel cooperation program;

• $7.5 million in Migration and Refugee Assistance;

• $4 million for the establishment of a U.S.-Israel Center of Excellence in energy and water technologies;

• $2 million for the Israel-U.S. Binational Research & Development Foundation (BIRD) Energy program; and

• The reauthorization of War Reserves Stock Allies-Israel (WRSA-I) program through fiscal year 2019​

Don't confuse the meaning of "Foreign Military Financing." While some of is no the form of grants, some is in the form of loans. and loans to help countries purchase weapons and defense equipment produced in the United States

I think it is time for a national vote on this.

Either we bring in Israel as our 51st State and they pay their fair share or we stop the $billions in handouts.

How do you vote-?

(COMMENT)

Well, this is done to maintain the “qualitative military edge” (QME) in the defensive combat ca[[abiities over potential enemies throughout the region.

This report provides an overview of U.S. foreign assistance to Israel. It includes a review of past aid programs, data on annual assistance, and analysis of current issues. For general information on Israel, see CRS Report RL33476, Israel: Background and U.S. Relations, by Jim Zanotti. Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II. To date, the United States has provided Israel $127.4 billion (current, or non-inflation-adjusted, dollars) in bilateral assistance. Almost all U.S. bilateral aid to Israel is in the form of military assistance, although in the past Israel also received significant economic assistance.

(COMMENT)

Don't confuse "annual" FMS and the "cumulative" Defesne and Military Aid. While you did quote the 2016 CRS on Relations and how the Israeli relations with Regional Arab issues --- impact the relationship with the US. That political data is about four-to-five years old; --- the CRS on U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel (supra) puts a much more realistic view on the graeter issue of aid and some of the reasoning.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, Israel is the mooch capital of the world.

Indeed, that's an ignorant comment relative to Israel developing a world class economy.

Indeed, perhaps you could compare for us the GDP of Israel vs. that of Gaza'istan. I'll even allow you to include the welfare fraud that sustains the Islamic terrorist enclave of Gaza'istan.

I'll start here: Israel Economy Facts & Stats

With what Israel has stolen and mooched, Haiti would be a prosperous country.

I was certain you would have no coherent response.

Lets give you another chance. How has Israel, in the relatively brief span of its existence, managed to overcome the wars of aggression and attempted destruction waged by Arabs-Moslems while simultaneously developing a first world economy?

Why are so many of the neighboring Arab-Moslem nations little more than third world by comparison?

Why are the islamic terrorist enclaves of Gaza'istan and Fatah'istan unable to transform from welfare dependent, islamic terrorist misfits, begging at the hand of kuffar Western donors to viable political and economic entities?

Shirley, you can find a YouTube video?

If you would get your face out of Israel's BS propaganda you would know.

 

[Sixties Fan]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
※→ watchingfromafar, et al,

Oh come on, let's be reasonable.

(COMMENT)

This is a propaganda line used to provoke an emotion (stir trouble) from people that don't understand what the representatives in Washington do, and how the annual budget process works. In a very high percentage (≈ 90%) of the US annual budget is not voted-on by the general citizenry, but by the Senatorial and House Representatives. In some cases, it is done by diplomatic arrangements, but the Senate still must approve the Foreign Agreements:

P.L. 115-141, the FY2018 Consolidated Appropriations Act, provides the following for Israel:
• Congressional Research Service www.crs.gov RL33222 •

• $3.1 billion in Foreign Military Financing, of which $815.3 million is for off-shore procurement;

• $705.8 million for joint U.S. - Israeli missile defense projects, including $92million for Iron Dome, $221.5 million for David's Sling, $310 million for Arrow 3, and $82.3 million for Arrow 2;

• $47.5 million for the U.S.-Israeli anti-tunnel cooperation program;

• $7.5 million in Migration and Refugee Assistance;

• $4 million for the establishment of a U.S.-Israel Center of Excellence in energy and water technologies;

• $2 million for the Israel-U.S. Binational Research & Development Foundation (BIRD) Energy program; and

• The reauthorization of War Reserves Stock Allies-Israel (WRSA-I) program through fiscal year 2019​

Don't confuse the meaning of "Foreign Military Financing." While some of is no the form of grants, some is in the form of loans. and loans to help countries purchase weapons and defense equipment produced in the United States

(COMMENT)

Well, this is done to maintain the “qualitative military edge” (QME) in the defensive combat ca[[abiities over potential enemies throughout the region.

(COMMENT)

Don't confuse "annual" FMS and the "cumulative" Defesne and Military Aid. While you did quote the 2016 CRS on Relations and how the Israeli relations with Regional Arab issues --- impact the relationship with the US. That political data is about four-to-five years old; --- the CRS on U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel (supra) puts a much more realistic view on the graeter issue of aid and some of the reasoning.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, Israel is the mooch capital of the world.

Indeed, that's an ignorant comment relative to Israel developing a world class economy.

Indeed, perhaps you could compare for us the GDP of Israel vs. that of Gaza'istan. I'll even allow you to include the welfare fraud that sustains the Islamic terrorist enclave of Gaza'istan.

I'll start here: Israel Economy Facts & Stats

With what Israel has stolen and mooched, Haiti would be a prosperous country.

I was certain you would have no coherent response.

Lets give you another chance. How has Israel, in the relatively brief span of its existence, managed to overcome the wars of aggression and attempted destruction waged by Arabs-Moslems while simultaneously developing a first world economy?

Why are so many of the neighboring Arab-Moslem nations little more than third world by comparison?

Why are the islamic terrorist enclaves of Gaza'istan and Fatah'istan unable to transform from welfare dependent, islamic terrorist misfits, begging at the hand of kuffar Western donors to viable political and economic entities?

Shirley, you can find a YouTube video?

If you would get your face out of Israel's BS propaganda you would know.

You want all of us to say no to facts and the truth and adopt your "let us destroy Israel because it is a sovereign Jewish State" dogma.

Sorry, the toxic garbage you insist on spewing is of no use to us.

 

[Slyhunter]

Indeed, that's an ignorant comment relative to Israel developing a world class economy.

Indeed, perhaps you could compare for us the GDP of Israel vs. that of Gaza'istan. I'll even allow you to include the welfare fraud that sustains the Islamic terrorist enclave of Gaza'istan.

I'll start here: Israel Economy Facts & Stats

With what Israel has stolen and mooched, Haiti would be a prosperous country.

Take this derailing of the thread to the "Who are the Palestinians" thread.

After all, with what the PA and Hamas have been given or stolen from around the world, they could have had two very successful countries in Gaza and the PA territories.

If only they were about constructing a country and not destroying Israel and historical non Muslim places in the area, they would have had one heck of a tourism industry.

Instead, all one has are very "fat" cats in the Hamas, Fatah, PLO leadership living the life they could not lead had they done things honestly and legally.

Cheating and killing others is what is known as hard work and success with some Muslim Arabs.

A practice going on all the way back to Mohammad himself.

The destruction of Palestine has always been Israel's goal and they have mooched enough equipment to do it.

1) ISRAEL IS PALESTINE, therefore Israel wanting to destroy itself is all in your sad Christian head. You really know how to invent things.

2) Again, for your frail mind......There NEVER, EVER was an Arab country called Palestine ANYWHERE in the world, much less on the LAND OF ISRAEL, which is what the Mandate for Palestine was on, and what it was for.
RECREATING the ancient Nation of Israel for the indigenous people of the land, THE JEWS, ON the Ancient homeland of their ancestors.


You do know what the facts are.
Now, be honest about them.

More BS Israeli talking points.

Why because you disagree with them. It's you against the world.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You are using this response more and more these days. YOU have ME at a disadvantage. You are not really pointing me to the "Talking Point Paper" published by the Israelis.

More BS Israeli talking points.

(COMMENT)

I have searched the internet for "Israeli Talking Points" just to put context to your meaning. But what I found was somewhat surprising... I cannot find where the Israeli Government published it talking points. What I found was people like Noura Erakat (Palestinian-American → Human Rights attorney → activist and writer, and self-proclaimed source → possessing detailed knowledge on the Arab-Israeli conflict) forming and shaping her own list of Talking Points and then having a one-sided argument and editorializing under the guise dispelling an Israeli Talking Point crafted by Arab Palestinians (not Israelis).

You just say that there is a "Talking Point" but never cite it or source it back to the origin.

There are only ever been one issue consisting of three components (if you want to call them "talking points") in the Arab-Israeli conflict:

ψ Recognition that the Jews are a people with a rich culture,
ψ Recognition of the historic and contemporary rights of the Jewish people in the the territory over which the Israelis maintain sovereignty (and the Arab Palestinians do not),
ψ Recognition of the right of the Jewish people to self-determination and territorial integrity.
​

Everything else is merely various factual responses to actual events, grievances and complaints, and emotional outbursts provoked by a series of corrupt Arab Palestinian Leader. And then you come along and suggest that a response is in connection to a specific "Talking Point" without a context. (More BS Israeli talking points.) There can be no real "Talking Point" if there was no platform in which to present them.

JPOST.COM STAFF February 16, 2016"
During the meeting, the French envoy presented the Foreign Ministry with details on a French initiative to convene a peace conference in Paris this coming summer, with the aim of relaunching the diplomatic process that last broke down in April 2014.

The meeting between the French and Israeli officials came the day after a senior Palestinian Authority official rejected the possibility of a return to the negotiating table.

On Monday during a visit to Japan, PA Foreign Minister Riyad al-Malki said the Palestinians would never reengage in direct talks with Israel.

SOURCE: Jerusalem Post Arab-Israeli Conflict
Israel hears details of French peace initiative, slams Palestinian objection to talks
​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You are using this response more and more these days. YOU have ME at a disadvantage. You are not really pointing me to the "Talking Point Paper" published by the Israelis.

More BS Israeli talking points.

(COMMENT)
I have searched the internet for "Israeli Talking Points" just to put context to your meaning. But what I found was somewhat surprising... I cannot find where the Israeli Government published it talking points. What I found was people like Noura Erakat (Palestinian-American → Human Rights attorney → activist and writer, and self-proclaimed source → possessing detailed knowledge on the Arab-Israeli conflict) forming and shaping her own list of Talking Points and then having a one-sided argument and editorializing under the guise dispelling an Israeli Talking Point crafted by Arab Palestinians (not Israelis).

You just say that there is a "Talking Point" but never cite it or source it back to the origin.

There are only ever been one issue consisting of three components (if you want to call them "talking points") in the Arab-Israeli conflict:

ψ Recognition that the Jews are a people with a rich culture,
ψ Recognition of the historic and contemporary rights of the Jewish people in the the territory over which the Israelis maintain sovereignty (and the Arab Palestinians do not),
ψ Recognition of the right of the Jewish people to self-determination and territorial integrity.
​

Everything else is merely various factual responses to actual events, grievances and complaints, and emotional outbursts provoked by a series of corrupt Arab Palestinian Leader. And then you come along and suggest that a response is in connection to a specific "Talking Point" without a context. (More BS Israeli talking points.) There can be no real "Talking Point" if there was no platform in which to present them.

JPOST.COM STAFF February 16, 2016"
During the meeting, the French envoy presented the Foreign Ministry with details on a French initiative to convene a peace conference in Paris this coming summer, with the aim of relaunching the diplomatic process that last broke down in April 2014.

The meeting between the French and Israeli officials came the day after a senior Palestinian Authority official rejected the possibility of a return to the negotiating table.

On Monday during a visit to Japan, PA Foreign Minister Riyad al-Malki said the Palestinians would never reengage in direct talks with Israel.

SOURCE: Jerusalem Post Arab-Israeli Conflict
Israel hears details of French peace initiative, slams Palestinian objection to talks ​

Most Respectfully,
R

I cannot find where the Israeli Government published it talking points.

"Israel has the right to defend itself." (occupying powers don't but that is a different discussion) Every politician, every pundit, And every talk show host say the same thing.

Hamas is never mentioned without the terrorist moniker.

This has to come from someplace.

Look at what Elizabeth Warren says.

Elizabeth Warren’s Israel Position Surprises All, Especially Liberals



How many times have we heard that? It is like she is reading the same script as everyone else.

 

[Hollie]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You are using this response more and more these days. YOU have ME at a disadvantage. You are not really pointing me to the "Talking Point Paper" published by the Israelis.

More BS Israeli talking points.

(COMMENT)
I have searched the internet for "Israeli Talking Points" just to put context to your meaning. But what I found was somewhat surprising... I cannot find where the Israeli Government published it talking points. What I found was people like Noura Erakat (Palestinian-American → Human Rights attorney → activist and writer, and self-proclaimed source → possessing detailed knowledge on the Arab-Israeli conflict) forming and shaping her own list of Talking Points and then having a one-sided argument and editorializing under the guise dispelling an Israeli Talking Point crafted by Arab Palestinians (not Israelis).

You just say that there is a "Talking Point" but never cite it or source it back to the origin.

There are only ever been one issue consisting of three components (if you want to call them "talking points") in the Arab-Israeli conflict:

ψ Recognition that the Jews are a people with a rich culture,
ψ Recognition of the historic and contemporary rights of the Jewish people in the the territory over which the Israelis maintain sovereignty (and the Arab Palestinians do not),
ψ Recognition of the right of the Jewish people to self-determination and territorial integrity.
​

Everything else is merely various factual responses to actual events, grievances and complaints, and emotional outbursts provoked by a series of corrupt Arab Palestinian Leader. And then you come along and suggest that a response is in connection to a specific "Talking Point" without a context. (More BS Israeli talking points.) There can be no real "Talking Point" if there was no platform in which to present them.

JPOST.COM STAFF February 16, 2016"
During the meeting, the French envoy presented the Foreign Ministry with details on a French initiative to convene a peace conference in Paris this coming summer, with the aim of relaunching the diplomatic process that last broke down in April 2014.

The meeting between the French and Israeli officials came the day after a senior Palestinian Authority official rejected the possibility of a return to the negotiating table.

On Monday during a visit to Japan, PA Foreign Minister Riyad al-Malki said the Palestinians would never reengage in direct talks with Israel.

SOURCE: Jerusalem Post Arab-Israeli Conflict
Israel hears details of French peace initiative, slams Palestinian objection to talks ​

Most Respectfully,
R

I cannot find where the Israeli Government published it talking points.

"Israel has the right to defend itself." (occupying powers don't but that is a different discussion) Every politician, every pundit, And every talk show host say the same thing.

Hamas is never mentioned without the terrorist moniker.

This has to come from someplace.

Look at what Elizabeth Warren says.

Elizabeth Warren’s Israel Position Surprises All, Especially Liberals



How many times have we heard that? It is like she is reading the same script as everyone else.

You delicate flower. Your feelings are hurt.

 

[Sixties Fan]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You are using this response more and more these days. YOU have ME at a disadvantage. You are not really pointing me to the "Talking Point Paper" published by the Israelis.

More BS Israeli talking points.

(COMMENT)
I have searched the internet for "Israeli Talking Points" just to put context to your meaning. But what I found was somewhat surprising... I cannot find where the Israeli Government published it talking points. What I found was people like Noura Erakat (Palestinian-American → Human Rights attorney → activist and writer, and self-proclaimed source → possessing detailed knowledge on the Arab-Israeli conflict) forming and shaping her own list of Talking Points and then having a one-sided argument and editorializing under the guise dispelling an Israeli Talking Point crafted by Arab Palestinians (not Israelis).

You just say that there is a "Talking Point" but never cite it or source it back to the origin.

There are only ever been one issue consisting of three components (if you want to call them "talking points") in the Arab-Israeli conflict:

ψ Recognition that the Jews are a people with a rich culture,
ψ Recognition of the historic and contemporary rights of the Jewish people in the the territory over which the Israelis maintain sovereignty (and the Arab Palestinians do not),
ψ Recognition of the right of the Jewish people to self-determination and territorial integrity.
​

Everything else is merely various factual responses to actual events, grievances and complaints, and emotional outbursts provoked by a series of corrupt Arab Palestinian Leader. And then you come along and suggest that a response is in connection to a specific "Talking Point" without a context. (More BS Israeli talking points.) There can be no real "Talking Point" if there was no platform in which to present them.

JPOST.COM STAFF February 16, 2016"
During the meeting, the French envoy presented the Foreign Ministry with details on a French initiative to convene a peace conference in Paris this coming summer, with the aim of relaunching the diplomatic process that last broke down in April 2014.

The meeting between the French and Israeli officials came the day after a senior Palestinian Authority official rejected the possibility of a return to the negotiating table.

On Monday during a visit to Japan, PA Foreign Minister Riyad al-Malki said the Palestinians would never reengage in direct talks with Israel.

SOURCE: Jerusalem Post Arab-Israeli Conflict
Israel hears details of French peace initiative, slams Palestinian objection to talks ​

Most Respectfully,
R

I cannot find where the Israeli Government published it talking points.

"Israel has the right to defend itself." (occupying powers don't but that is a different discussion) Every politician, every pundit, And every talk show host say the same thing.

Hamas is never mentioned without the terrorist moniker.

This has to come from someplace.

Look at what Elizabeth Warren says.

Elizabeth Warren’s Israel Position Surprises All, Especially Liberals



How many times have we heard that? It is like she is reading the same script as everyone else.

In other words, you are telling us that......the indigenous people of the Land of Israel (you prefer to call it Palestine) do not have the right to build a military and do not have any right to defend their borders from the Muslim invaders who have been occupying their lands for the past 1400 years.

Hamas IS a terrorist group. I know they are your heroes and liberators (possibly from what you believe is YOUR land, even if you keep telling us that you are a Christian - an Arab perhaps. Never mind .

Yes, there are a few Democrats who, gratefully, see what is going on in the Gaza border and what Hamas is all about and they do happen to be on the side of Human rights, instead of the right to destroy a sovereign country only because it is the one the Jewish people have.

So, NO, she is not "reading" a script. She is actually seeing what have been going on, what the Hamas charter is, what they keep telling that they want to do with Israel (destroy and kill all Jews, etc ).


The question continues to be:

When are you going to see those things, or if you do see them.....when are you going to own up to them?

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You are using this response more and more these days. YOU have ME at a disadvantage. You are not really pointing me to the "Talking Point Paper" published by the Israelis.

More BS Israeli talking points.

(COMMENT)
I have searched the internet for "Israeli Talking Points" just to put context to your meaning. But what I found was somewhat surprising... I cannot find where the Israeli Government published it talking points. What I found was people like Noura Erakat (Palestinian-American → Human Rights attorney → activist and writer, and self-proclaimed source → possessing detailed knowledge on the Arab-Israeli conflict) forming and shaping her own list of Talking Points and then having a one-sided argument and editorializing under the guise dispelling an Israeli Talking Point crafted by Arab Palestinians (not Israelis).

You just say that there is a "Talking Point" but never cite it or source it back to the origin.

There are only ever been one issue consisting of three components (if you want to call them "talking points") in the Arab-Israeli conflict:

ψ Recognition that the Jews are a people with a rich culture,
ψ Recognition of the historic and contemporary rights of the Jewish people in the the territory over which the Israelis maintain sovereignty (and the Arab Palestinians do not),
ψ Recognition of the right of the Jewish people to self-determination and territorial integrity.
​

Everything else is merely various factual responses to actual events, grievances and complaints, and emotional outbursts provoked by a series of corrupt Arab Palestinian Leader. And then you come along and suggest that a response is in connection to a specific "Talking Point" without a context. (More BS Israeli talking points.) There can be no real "Talking Point" if there was no platform in which to present them.

JPOST.COM STAFF February 16, 2016"
During the meeting, the French envoy presented the Foreign Ministry with details on a French initiative to convene a peace conference in Paris this coming summer, with the aim of relaunching the diplomatic process that last broke down in April 2014.

The meeting between the French and Israeli officials came the day after a senior Palestinian Authority official rejected the possibility of a return to the negotiating table.

On Monday during a visit to Japan, PA Foreign Minister Riyad al-Malki said the Palestinians would never reengage in direct talks with Israel.

SOURCE: Jerusalem Post Arab-Israeli Conflict
Israel hears details of French peace initiative, slams Palestinian objection to talks ​

Most Respectfully,
R

I cannot find where the Israeli Government published it talking points.

"Israel has the right to defend itself." (occupying powers don't but that is a different discussion) Every politician, every pundit, And every talk show host say the same thing.

Hamas is never mentioned without the terrorist moniker.

This has to come from someplace.

Look at what Elizabeth Warren says.

Elizabeth Warren’s Israel Position Surprises All, Especially Liberals



How many times have we heard that? It is like she is reading the same script as everyone else.

In other words, you are telling us that......the indigenous people of the Land of Israel (you prefer to call it Palestine) do not have the right to build a military and do not have any right to defend their borders from the Muslim invaders who have been occupying their lands for the past 1400 years.

Hamas IS a terrorist group. I know they are your heroes and liberators (possibly from what you believe is YOUR land, even if you keep telling us that you are a Christian - an Arab perhaps. Never mind .

Yes, there are a few Democrats who, gratefully, see what is going on in the Gaza border and what Hamas is all about and they do happen to be on the side of Human rights, instead of the right to destroy a sovereign country only because it is the one the Jewish people have.

So, NO, she is not "reading" a script. She is actually seeing what have been going on, what the Hamas charter is, what they keep telling that they want to do with Israel (destroy and kill all Jews, etc ).


The question continues to be:

When are you going to see those things, or if you do see them.....when are you going to own up to them?

Don't ask me to own up to your fantasies.

 

[Sixties Fan]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You are using this response more and more these days. YOU have ME at a disadvantage. You are not really pointing me to the "Talking Point Paper" published by the Israelis.

More BS Israeli talking points.

(COMMENT)
I have searched the internet for "Israeli Talking Points" just to put context to your meaning. But what I found was somewhat surprising... I cannot find where the Israeli Government published it talking points. What I found was people like Noura Erakat (Palestinian-American → Human Rights attorney → activist and writer, and self-proclaimed source → possessing detailed knowledge on the Arab-Israeli conflict) forming and shaping her own list of Talking Points and then having a one-sided argument and editorializing under the guise dispelling an Israeli Talking Point crafted by Arab Palestinians (not Israelis).

You just say that there is a "Talking Point" but never cite it or source it back to the origin.

There are only ever been one issue consisting of three components (if you want to call them "talking points") in the Arab-Israeli conflict:

ψ Recognition that the Jews are a people with a rich culture,
ψ Recognition of the historic and contemporary rights of the Jewish people in the the territory over which the Israelis maintain sovereignty (and the Arab Palestinians do not),
ψ Recognition of the right of the Jewish people to self-determination and territorial integrity.
​

Everything else is merely various factual responses to actual events, grievances and complaints, and emotional outbursts provoked by a series of corrupt Arab Palestinian Leader. And then you come along and suggest that a response is in connection to a specific "Talking Point" without a context. (More BS Israeli talking points.) There can be no real "Talking Point" if there was no platform in which to present them.

JPOST.COM STAFF February 16, 2016"
During the meeting, the French envoy presented the Foreign Ministry with details on a French initiative to convene a peace conference in Paris this coming summer, with the aim of relaunching the diplomatic process that last broke down in April 2014.

The meeting between the French and Israeli officials came the day after a senior Palestinian Authority official rejected the possibility of a return to the negotiating table.

On Monday during a visit to Japan, PA Foreign Minister Riyad al-Malki said the Palestinians would never reengage in direct talks with Israel.

SOURCE: Jerusalem Post Arab-Israeli Conflict
Israel hears details of French peace initiative, slams Palestinian objection to talks ​

Most Respectfully,
R

I cannot find where the Israeli Government published it talking points.

"Israel has the right to defend itself." (occupying powers don't but that is a different discussion) Every politician, every pundit, And every talk show host say the same thing.

Hamas is never mentioned without the terrorist moniker.

This has to come from someplace.

Look at what Elizabeth Warren says.

Elizabeth Warren’s Israel Position Surprises All, Especially Liberals



How many times have we heard that? It is like she is reading the same script as everyone else.

In other words, you are telling us that......the indigenous people of the Land of Israel (you prefer to call it Palestine) do not have the right to build a military and do not have any right to defend their borders from the Muslim invaders who have been occupying their lands for the past 1400 years.

Hamas IS a terrorist group. I know they are your heroes and liberators (possibly from what you believe is YOUR land, even if you keep telling us that you are a Christian - an Arab perhaps. Never mind .

Yes, there are a few Democrats who, gratefully, see what is going on in the Gaza border and what Hamas is all about and they do happen to be on the side of Human rights, instead of the right to destroy a sovereign country only because it is the one the Jewish people have.

So, NO, she is not "reading" a script. She is actually seeing what have been going on, what the Hamas charter is, what they keep telling that they want to do with Israel (destroy and kill all Jews, etc ).


The question continues to be:

When are you going to see those things, or if you do see them.....when are you going to own up to them?

Don't ask me to own up to your fantasies.

We have a reality = Israel

You and the Muslim/Christian Jew haters have a fantasy = Israel does not exist or needs to be destroyed.


Keep it up Hamas groupie

 

[RoccoR]

;RE: The Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Here you are talking nonsense and disseminating misinformation (again).

"Israel has the right to defend itself." (occupying powers don't but that is a different discussion) Every politician, every pundit, And every talk show host say the same thing.

(COMMENT)

This is pure misinformation. The "occupying power" has the right and duty to enforce law and order (Article 43 of the Hague Regulation); and the right to punish the those responsible for crimes against the Occupying Power (Article 68, Fourth Geneva Convention).

Hamas is never mentioned without the terrorist moniker.
This has to come from someplace.

(COMMENT)

Both the US and the EU have declared HAMAS as a Terrorist Group. That designation was upheld by the
Judgment of the Court (Grand Chamber) of 26 July 2017.

It is what it is. The application of the designation is perfectly acceptable and utterly correct.

Look at what Elizabeth Warren says.
How many times have we heard that? It is like she is reading the same script as everyone else.

(COMMENT)

This is an anti-Warren and anti-Israeli video piece. Each of the panelists knows perfectly well that the real-world is not perfect. And they each know very (VERY) well that:

However, it remains legally accepted that, in the harsh reality of war, civilian persons and objects may be incidentally affected by an attack directed at a legitimate military objective. Euphemistically referred to as ‘‘collateral casualties’’ or ‘‘collateral damage,’’ civilians may be victims of mistaken target identification or of unintended but inevitable side effects of an attack on a legitimate target in their vicinity. According to the principle of proportionality, these collateral casualties and damages are lawful under treaty and the customary law only if they are not excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated.
Source: J-F. Que´guiner → International Review of the Red Cross – Precautions under the law governing the conduct of hostilities (page 794) and See: Posting #31 --- The Israeli military does not target civilians' - video

These are just a few examples at how the Pro-Palestinian movement attempt to twist the words on these topics in order to make an audience believe that the Hostile Arab Palestinians are the victims of some sort of criminal umbrella (the emotional sympathy vote). Just as it is a piece that is aiding and abetting Arab Palestinian organizations like HAMAS in the furtherance of terrorist activities and causes.

(One Further Point)

This panel of experts must also know (from there vast experience, that the Gaza Border Protesters are a mixture of both Category 1: Voluntary shields who are DPH (i.e., lawful targets); and Category 2: Voluntary shields who are not DPH (i.e., not lawful targets). That makes the undisciplined mob a complex environment that may not be readily defined. This becomes a damned if you do and damned if you don't. In the case of the border mob, the fire balloon and kit launchers are are Cat #1 DPH; but mixed in which Cat #2 DPH. This is an undefined condition intentionally designed to create the Illusion of Hostile Arab Palestinians in the role of victims; “utilizing the presence of Cat #2 DPH to render location of launch points, immune from immune from IDF interdiction.” This then shifts to a Rule 97 violation in conjunction with violations of Rules 23 and 24.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[watchingfromafar]

"Watchingfromafar" is one of the many birds who like to fly over to these threads and spread some religion and other nonsense which haver nothing to do with the threads per se.

The Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

The tread title contains; “the creation of Israel” which makes my posts relevant to the subject.

Palestine was flooded with Jews just after WW2 because no country wanted them in their country and as a result the indigenous Palestinians have suffered the consequences. If the Israeli’s had their way they would wipe out the Palestinian population. The only thing stopping them now from engaging in this genocide is the UN watching and NATO.

If they had chosen to call their new-found country by any other name the biblical connection couldn’t be made; but they instead chose to call their new country “Israel” which makes it relevant to use biblical references to the existence of Israel.

I am not going to cry over spilt milk, what was done is done. Now I feel they need to be held accountable, biblically because of the name they chose to call their new country and accountable in their actions since becoming a country.

If people don’t like to hear the truth about their beloved country they can do as Trump does and just lie and call the evidence I present “fake news”. This seems to work for trump so why not you too.

In my opinion Israel should never have been recognized as a country or allowed into the UN.

The Truth Will Set You free

Look--- no Israel could be found

 

[watchingfromafar]

they do happen to be on the side of Human rights, instead of the right to destroy a sovereign country only because it is the one the Jewish people have.

You are getting of script, either Israel is a secular country or a racist one; i.e. we be better than all others kinda country. Being the "only" Jewish "country" is a racists statement on its face,

No animosity intended or implied