The myth of the bigoted Christian redneck

[nakedemperor]

However here you stereotype rural people as uber-christians that voted against gay marriage.

This was your response to my quote "Can you see the distinction between 'red neck' and 'rural'? One is derogatory and one means 'living in a rural area'.

I'm not sure where you got this 'uber-Christian' idea, considering I didn't mention Christianity in the quote you referenced. I didn't stereotype rural people as uber-Christians, I infered they were generally Christians, which I think is true, and generally against gay marriage, which I know is true. I was not saying this was across the board true, I was saying that this faction of people, rural voters, who as Christians were morally opposed to issues like gay marriage and abortion represented (quote from my original post) "a significant factor" in the President's re-election.

I am not objecting to any derogatory statement here, I am saying that I think you are wrong in your assessment entirely and the rural voter was not more likely to vote this way than the more Urban voter. I would firmly place this type of thing in the Suburban rather than the rural voting.

Appreciated...but I think the urban voter was far less likely to vote with the moral and ethical foundational values of the candidates in mind than the rural voter. This is because (1) people generally percieved Bush as having better morals and values, (2) morals and values were the highest priority of the electorate according to the OP and (3) urban voters were far more likely to vote for the candidate with the percieved weaker morals (Kerry) than they were to vote for Bush.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Typical progression of a thread with Naked Emperor:

Naked comes on and tows the liberal line, then he says he didn't say it and backpedals, then when pressed he restates the liberal talking point in nicer sounding language.

 

[nakedemperor]

Typical progression of a thread with Naked Emperor:

Naked comes on and tows the liberal line, then he says he didn't say it and backpedals, then when pressed he restates the liberal talking point in nicer sounding language.

I did nothing of the sort. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Toeing the liberal line would be calling anti gay marriage supporters as "bigots", would it not? Weird how I explicitly said these people are NOT bigots. Toeing the liberal line would be calling rural Americans "rednecks", would it not? Weird how I explicitly said rural Americans are not rednecks.

If you're talking about "values" being a big part of the President's victory, I'm not sure how that obvious fact that it played a "significant part" in people's decisions between Bush and Kerry is a liberal line to be toed.

Backpedal? From WHAT? Nicer sounding language? Funny, fuzzykitten accused me of the same thing. When I said a faction which contributed to the import of "values" in this election should be called "rural Christians who oppose abortion and gay marriage" rather than "bigoted Christian rednecks", I was "just using nicer language to legitimize what I REALLY thought, which is that they were, in fact, bigoted Christian rednecks.

Yeah. Sure. As much as he (or she) would have LIKED for me to generalize people as bigoted or rednecks, I was using "nicer" language because I DISAGREED with the "typical liberal" mantra of the bigoted Christian redneck being hoodwinked into voting for non-important intangibles.

So fuzzykitten came back at me saying that while my "labels" may be "based in facts" they're still labels. Apparently he had a problem with me calling Christians Christians, or something. I'm not really sure.

"Nicer terms." Please, explain.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

I did nothing of the sort. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Toeing the liberal line would be calling anti gay marriage supporters as "bigots", would it not? Weird how I explicitly said these people are NOT bigots. Toeing the liberal line would be calling rural Americans "rednecks", would it not? Weird how I explicitly said rural Americans are not rednecks.

If you're talking about "values" being a big part of the President's victory, I'm not sure how that obvious fact that it played a "significant part" in people's decisions between Bush and Kerry is a liberal line to be toed.

Backpedal? From WHAT? Nicer sounding language? Funny, fuzzykitten accused me of the same thing. When I said a faction which contributed to the import of "values" in this election should be called "rural Christians who oppose abortion and gay marriage" rather than "bigoted Christian rednecks", I was "just using nicer language to legitimize what I REALLY thought, which is that they were, in fact, bigoted Christian rednecks.

Yeah. Sure. As much as he (or she) would have LIKED for me to generalize people as bigoted or rednecks, I was using "nicer" language because I DISAGREED with the "typical liberal" mantra of the bigoted Christian redneck being hoodwinked into voting for non-important intangibles.

So fuzzykitten came back at me saying that while my "labels" may be "based in facts" they're still labels. Apparently he had a problem with me calling Christians Christians, or something. I'm not really sure.

"Nicer terms." Please, explain.

Woah. You're on fire tonight.

Bottom line:Bush's victory is not attributable to the Christian Right: They have always been there. What's remarkable and significant is how Bush was able to get others not in this thin sliced piece of the electorate you villify. He got the undecided and moderate vote for decent economic and defense policies, relative to the appeasement and socialism the looney left offers.

 

[nakedemperor]

Woah. You're on fire tonight.

Bottom line:Bush's victory is not attributable to the Christian Right: They have always been there. What's remarkable and significant is how Bush was able to get others not in this thin sliced piece of the electorate you villify. He got the undecided and moderate vote for decent economic and defense policies, relative to the appeasement and socialism the looney left offers.

"Significant factor". My claim was that the Christian Right was a "significant factor". You disagree?

Villify. I villify the Christian Right. WRONG. You're putting words into my mouth; show me where I villified the Christian Right. By defending them, by saying they're not bigots? By saying they're not rednecks?

 

[rtwngAvngr]

"Significant factor". My claim was that the Christian Right was a "significant factor". You disagree?

Villify. I villify the Christian Right. WRONG. You're putting words into my mouth; show me where I villified the Christian Right. By defending them, by saying they're not bigots? By saying they're not rednecks?

When "not" is "is" and "is" is "is not"
Then and only then,
Can nakedemperor form a thought.

 

[nakedemperor]

When "not" is "is" and "is" is "is not"
Then and only then,
Can nakedemperor form a thought.

Speaking of backpedaling.
Back! Back to you lair, troll! Back!

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Speaking of backpedaling.
Back! Back to you lair, troll! Back!

Twas just a bit of poetry highlighting your apparent inability to grasp what is and what is not.

 

[nakedemperor]

Twas just a bit of poetry highlighting your apparent inability to grasp what is and what is not.

I liked it. I am a big fan of poetry.

But it didn't really make clear what I am unable to grasp that "is".

 

[rtwngAvngr]

I liked it. I am a big fan of poetry.

But it didn't really make clear what I am unable to grasp that "is".

The relative unimportance of your trivial, overblown and in most cases, completely unfounded criticisms of Bush.

 

[nakedemperor]

The relative unimportance of your trivial, overblown and in most cases, completely unfounded criticisms of Bush.

I haven't even criticized Bush in this thread? You're a dumb head.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

I haven't even criticized Bush in this thread? You're a dumb head.

You were thinking bad things about bush. Thoughtcriminal!

 

[nbdysfu]

"Moral values" definitely had a lot to do with the president's re-election. And while I'm not sure about "bigoted Christian redneck", I'd say that "rural Christians who dont believe in abortion or gay marriage" is not "myth" and was a significant factor.

Firstly, as others have stated, those who voted for such issues were never moderates and their votes were already cast.

Second, I voted for bush based on moral issues, the morality of preemptive war in iraq, the morality of sovereignty of the citizen over the "global test", the morality of a leader with palpable conviction over one who seeks our vote with a false image of himself, the immorality of a caretaker government, and the list goes on.

The single issue which liberal pundits, even Jon Stewart, have seriously put forward as encompassing moral values, was "gay marriage," and that alone. As one who voted on moral issues, I can tell you it had nothing to do with gay marriage.

 

[nbdysfu]

The single issue which liberal pundits, even Jon Stewart, have seriously put forward as part of moral values, was "gay marriage," and that alone. As one who voted on moral issues, I can tell you it had nothing to do with gay marriage.

Third, aren't these the same exit polls that claim the majority who voted Republican voted based on moral values, the same ones that said Kerry would win 320 electoral votes? Couldn't this just be more false assumptions based on information that is known to be unreliable by +/-20%?

 

[nakedemperor]

You were thinking bad things about bush. Thoughtcriminal!

GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!

 

[fuzzykitten99]

GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!

We can't...it's dark, empty, and everything echoes. There is a very dim bulb(complete with buzzing) in here, but we think it's possibly just a firefly.

 

[nakedemperor]

Ha. You lack the intellectual capacity to penetrate my psyche. Rtwing on the other hand is like Jiminy Cricket up in my dome.

 

[Shattered]

:rotflmao: :rotflmao:

 

[no1tovote4]

GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!

(Can you hear the music?)

And into his car.

 

[CSM]

I haven't even criticized Bush in this thread? You're a dumb head.

DUMBHEAD????

NE, I will have to teach you some better derogatory names...that one just made me laugh!