The moon landings were a HOAX

[paulitician]

Seems a little hokey. Moon missions should be routine by now.

Would be, if they weren't so expensive. Until they can be made to pay, we're unlikely to go back in the near future.

The U.S. Government doesn't run out of money. It always has it. So why didn't it "return" to the moon? Maybe it's because it never went there in the first place.

What's the mission? They've already proven it can be done. Simply saying, "I don't believe it" isn't proof it hasn't been done. If there was proof, don't you think the Soviets would have debunked it in a minute?

Would you have believed it if the Soviets had debunked it?

 

[hadit]

Seems a little hokey. Moon missions should be routine by now.

Would be, if they weren't so expensive. Until they can be made to pay, we're unlikely to go back in the near future.

The U.S. Government doesn't run out of money. It always has it. So why didn't it "return" to the moon? Maybe it's because it never went there in the first place.

What's the mission? They've already proven it can be done. Simply saying, "I don't believe it" isn't proof it hasn't been done. If there was proof, don't you think the Soviets would have debunked it in a minute?

Would you have believed it if the Soviets had debunked it?

If they would have pointed out that there were either NO radio broadcasts from the moon, or that they originated from the earth, and every amateur radio operator would have verified it, of course. The truth is, though, that as desperately as they wanted to disprove it, they did not, and in fact gave up on trying to get there second. That should give you an idea of how expensive and risky it is to go to the moon.

 

[paulitician]

Seems a little hokey. Moon missions should be routine by now.

Would be, if they weren't so expensive. Until they can be made to pay, we're unlikely to go back in the near future.

The U.S. Government doesn't run out of money. It always has it. So why didn't it "return" to the moon? Maybe it's because it never went there in the first place.

There needs to be a good reason to go back, one that justifies the expense.

We know so little about the moon. Further exploration of our nearest celestial body should be good enough reason. We as humans, are explorers, no? I just can't understand abandoning such an important exploration opportunity. Like i said, moon missions should be routine by now.

Consider that low earth orbit missions are not only routine, we have a permanently inhabited station up there. We'll get to the moon again, but the bottom line remains that current lack of moon missions is not prove positive there were none in the past.

I don't know, i think other nations are now taking the lead on it.

 

[hadit]

Would be, if they weren't so expensive. Until they can be made to pay, we're unlikely to go back in the near future.

The U.S. Government doesn't run out of money. It always has it. So why didn't it "return" to the moon? Maybe it's because it never went there in the first place.

There needs to be a good reason to go back, one that justifies the expense.

We know so little about the moon. Further exploration of our nearest celestial body should be good enough reason. We as humans, are explorers, no? I just can't understand abandoning such an important exploration opportunity. Like i said, moon missions should be routine by now.

Consider that low earth orbit missions are not only routine, we have a permanently inhabited station up there. We'll get to the moon again, but the bottom line remains that current lack of moon missions is not prove positive there were none in the past.

I don't know, i think other nations are now taking the lead on it.

Yes, the lure of getting back to the moon to establish bases and claim resources is a big incentive. For whatever reason, America is not willing to fund the effort right now.

 

[paulitician]

Seems a little hokey. Moon missions should be routine by now.

Would be, if they weren't so expensive. Until they can be made to pay, we're unlikely to go back in the near future.

The U.S. Government doesn't run out of money. It always has it. So why didn't it "return" to the moon? Maybe it's because it never went there in the first place.

What's the mission? They've already proven it can be done. Simply saying, "I don't believe it" isn't proof it hasn't been done. If there was proof, don't you think the Soviets would have debunked it in a minute?

Would you have believed it if the Soviets had debunked it?

If they would have pointed out that there were either NO radio broadcasts from the moon, or that they originated from the earth, and every amateur radio operator would have verified it, of course. The truth is, though, that as desperately as they wanted to disprove it, they did not, and in fact gave up on trying to get there second. That should give you an idea of how expensive and risky it is to go to the moon.

You wouldn't have believed it regardless. You, like most of us, are too emotionally invested in believing the American Government/Corporate Media narrative. And that doesn't only apply to this subject.

 

[hadit]

Would be, if they weren't so expensive. Until they can be made to pay, we're unlikely to go back in the near future.

The U.S. Government doesn't run out of money. It always has it. So why didn't it "return" to the moon? Maybe it's because it never went there in the first place.

What's the mission? They've already proven it can be done. Simply saying, "I don't believe it" isn't proof it hasn't been done. If there was proof, don't you think the Soviets would have debunked it in a minute?

Would you have believed it if the Soviets had debunked it?

If they would have pointed out that there were either NO radio broadcasts from the moon, or that they originated from the earth, and every amateur radio operator would have verified it, of course. The truth is, though, that as desperately as they wanted to disprove it, they did not, and in fact gave up on trying to get there second. That should give you an idea of how expensive and risky it is to go to the moon.

You wouldn't have believed it regardless. You, like most of us, are too emotionally invested in believing the Government/Corporate Media narrative. And that doesn't only apply to this subject.

Why would I not have believed it, if they stated that the "broadcasts" didn't come from the moon and all the amateur radio operators confirmed it? They didn't debunk it because they could NOT debunk it, and the mirrors are up there to this day. Anyone with the proper equipment can see them. In fact, they are used regularly to measure the distance between the earth and the moon. There is just too much evidence that we put men on the moon to ignore.

 

[paulitician]

The U.S. Government doesn't run out of money. It always has it. So why didn't it "return" to the moon? Maybe it's because it never went there in the first place.

What's the mission? They've already proven it can be done. Simply saying, "I don't believe it" isn't proof it hasn't been done. If there was proof, don't you think the Soviets would have debunked it in a minute?

Would you have believed it if the Soviets had debunked it?

If they would have pointed out that there were either NO radio broadcasts from the moon, or that they originated from the earth, and every amateur radio operator would have verified it, of course. The truth is, though, that as desperately as they wanted to disprove it, they did not, and in fact gave up on trying to get there second. That should give you an idea of how expensive and risky it is to go to the moon.

You wouldn't have believed it regardless. You, like most of us, are too emotionally invested in believing the Government/Corporate Media narrative. And that doesn't only apply to this subject.

Why would I not have believed it, if they stated that the "broadcasts" didn't come from the moon and all the amateur radio operators confirmed it? They didn't debunk it because they could NOT debunk it, and the mirrors are up there to this day. Anyone with the proper equipment can see them. In fact, they are used regularly to measure the distance between the earth and the moon. There is just too much evidence that we put men on the moon to ignore.

The Soviets question it just like many Americans do. But again, you wouldn't believe anything that contradicts the American Government/Corporate Media narrative. You're too emotionally invested in it.

But you certainly aren't alone. Most of us are as well. We get fed a steady diet of Government/Corporate Media narratives. It's all we know. It's very difficult to question them. Most don't bother.

 

[ObligationLaunch]

So answer this question very clearly with no weaseling. Did men put the mirrors on the moon?

If you mean that 'men' physically' put them there, the answer
is NO.

 

[ObligationLaunch]

[and the mirrors are up there to this day. Anyone with the proper equipment can see them. In fact, they are used regularly to measure the distance between the earth and the moon. There is just too much evidence that we put men on the moon to ignore.

Those mirrors are NOT NEEDED to measure the distance,

That's the thing.

They could do that already in 1962 and provable so.

 

[ObligationLaunch]

There is just too much evidence that we put men on the moon to ignore.

Well then, give me some! Most is fake, including the alleged moonrocks.

 

[ObligationLaunch]

And about those soviets....they faked their space trips too!

 

[ObligationLaunch]

Was it only a Paper Moon - James Collier - LEM Analysis

 

[hadit]

[and the mirrors are up there to this day. Anyone with the proper equipment can see them. In fact, they are used regularly to measure the distance between the earth and the moon. There is just too much evidence that we put men on the moon to ignore.

Those mirrors are NOT NEEDED to measure the distance,

That's the thing.

They could do that already in 1962 and provable so.

Except that they ARE there, and can be used by anyone who has a powerful laser. Can you prove that they were placed there by some mechanism OTHER than a human placing them?

 

[hadit]

And about those soviets....they faked their space trips too!

Ah, yes, the conspiracy widens, as it always, always does. Pretty soon the entire world is in on it, except for the poor dears who think they're the only ones who know the truth.

 

[hadit]

There is just too much evidence that we put men on the moon to ignore.

Well then, give me some! Most is fake, including the alleged moonrocks.

You can bounce a laser off the mirrors men placed on the moon. There were radio broadcasts from the moon. Give us some evidence beyond you merely shouting "Nu-uh" that we did not get there.

 

[hadit]

So answer this question very clearly with no weaseling. Did men put the mirrors on the moon?

If you mean that 'men' physically' put them there, the answer
is NO.

So, give me proof that something else put them there. Not supposition, proof.

 

[ObligationLaunch]

Except that they ARE there, and can be used by anyone who has a powerful laser. Can you prove that they were placed there by some mechanism OTHER than a human placing them?

Russians have put lasers up there
The rovers Lunokhod 1 & 2 have put them there and one is still in use.
And the russian never claimed they have put men on the moon.

If they can do that, then the americans can have done that too, of course.

 

[MaryL]

There has never been anyone with earthly technology been on the moon!
It is all staged.

OR give me any proof that there have been 'our' people on the moon.

How come people still believe there were people on the moon? unbelievable.

You must be joking. What's next, you don't believe in Germs or Nuclear radiation? Parading ignorance around like this is really disillusioning in the human race.

 

[ObligationLaunch]

You can bounce a laser off the mirrors men placed on the moon.

It wasn't put there by men but by a sort of robots.
Also the lasers aren't really necessary at all, because they could do the same measeurementsi in 1962

There were radio broadcasts from the moon.

No, there were not:

There are some known Ham radio operators who attest to having picked up signals from Apollo (Paul Wilson, Richard Knadle, Larry Baysinger, Sven Grahn), but none of them can attest to having tracked these probes all the way to the moon and back. Grahn for example only testifies to having picked up signals from Apollo 17 when it was in earth orbit, when it was on the moon and in lunar orbit. He openly admits to not tracking it the whole way there and back. Baysinger only received communications from Apollo 11 during the alleged moonwalk, again not the way to the moon and back. Wilson & Knadle received signals from a diversity of Apollo missions2, but again only when the crafts were in lunar orbit – an exception being Apollo 15 in which they received a handful of signals on the alleged flight home. The two were quoted to saying: “The moon is always in view of two of NASA's primary tracking stations in Spain, Australia and California, but not so for the amateur. Some of the most exciting events and transmissions from the Apollo mission always seem to occur when the moon is below the horizon for the continental United States astronomer!”
Recently, Jarrah met with CSIRO professor Ray Morris, who as a kid received signals from Apollo 13 – but only during the time they were said to be in earth orbit.

In the nineties, David Percy contacted Jodrell Bank Observatory technician Robert Pitchard. He stated that they too only tracked Apollo when it was close to the moon, not the trip there and back: “The Moon probes were observed with a 50ft radio telescope which at the frequency used (2300MHz) had a beam width of 5/8ths degrees
In round terms this allowed us to pick up signals from up signals from up to about 1,000 miles above the moon’s surface, although small corrections had to be made to pointing as the probes orbited the Moon.
Voice signals (of good quality) were received from both the orbiting spacecraft and the Lunar Lander but television signals were only picked up from the spacecraft on the surface of the Moon. As we were not actively involved in the tracking of these spacecraft, we did not track them after they had left the Moon. And with regard to Apollo 10, I have no details of any observations, after all this time – the reason escapes me.”

And on the Russian side, for the most part the Soviets had relied heavily on Jodrell Bank just to track their own moon-bound spacecrafts because they lacked the capability to do it themselves (this was discussed in the BBC series, The Planets). Although later in the early 60s they were able to build deep space network tracking facilities with a 100million kilometre range, none of these radio telescopes were tuneable to the 2.3GHz (2300MHz) signals used by Apollo. Only at the last minute in November 1968 did they manage to equip their TNA-400* facility in Crimea with suitable receiving equipment.
And even then, because NASA did not supply them with the ballistics data, the Soviets were limited to listening to it during the time Apollos 8, 10, 11 and 12 were supposedly in lunar orbit.
* In Russian. Can be read using google translate.

Only the NASA Manned Space Flight Network can attest to having tracked these vehicles all the way to the moon and back. This Network comprised of Goldstone Tracking Station in California, the Madrid Deep Space Communications Complex, and various facilities in Australia; most notably Parkes Observatory, Honeysuckle Creek and Tidbinbilla. In the case of Parkes, it was (and still is) owned by the Australian government but was under control of and under contract to NASA during the time of the Apollo missions. It was NASA’s very own Robert Taylor who controlled the release of any data from Parkes during the Apollo 11 mission and his team were responsible for the reception, recording and transfer of audio, video and telemetry at Parkes. And on the subsequent flights technicians and engineers from NASA’s Tidbinbilla complex were heavily involved at Parkes. It’s essentially a fox guarding the hen house scenario.{/quote]

 

[hadit]

Except that they ARE there, and can be used by anyone who has a powerful laser. Can you prove that they were placed there by some mechanism OTHER than a human placing them?

Russians have put lasers up there
The rovers Lunokhod 1 & 2 have put them there and one is still in use.
And the russian never claimed they have put men on the moon.

If they can do that, then the americans can have done that too, of course.

How does that prove the Americans did not place the mirrors there manually?