The MODERN Case for Reparations

[Rawley]

Do you really believe building more prisons is better than building more schools?

THe number of school age children is declining, why would you build more schools?

 

[alang1216]

Do you really believe building more prisons is better than building more schools?

THe number of school age children is declining, why would you build more schools?

In my county the number of declined so much so that 30 years ago they started closing schools. Now they have to build new ones. No clue if this is unique or a common cycle.

 

[Rawley]

Do you really believe building more prisons is better than building more schools?

THe number of school age children is declining, why would you build more schools?

In my county the number of declined so much so that 30 years ago they started closing schools. Now they have to build new ones. No clue if this is unique or a common cycle.

I have not heard that. The numbers have been steadily declining since the echo boom (kid of Boomers). They are not having kids like the boomers did.

 

[alang1216]

Do you really believe building more prisons is better than building more schools?

THe number of school age children is declining, why would you build more schools?

In my county the number of declined so much so that 30 years ago they started closing schools. Now they have to build new ones. No clue if this is unique or a common cycle.

I have not heard that. The numbers have been steadily declining since the echo boom (kid of Boomers). They are not having kids like the boomers did.

I think if we didn't have immigration my county would be just old white people.

 

[IM2]

Again with all due respect, I am amazed people with short attention spans believe they have the skills or facts required to engage in a cogent discussion about whatever topic they choose to become involved in...when in fact people with short attention spans generally just waste other people's time, and in most cases are not SOLUTIONS oriented people.

alang, wishing you a Safe, Happy Holiday

I guess I should have been more honest and said I don't like people wasting my time giving me other people's opinions. My bad. If someone has some pertinent facts I'm all ears but I didn't see any in your very colorful images. If there were any solutions there I guess they were too well camouflaged.

Hope you and your family have a great holiday.

Alang, let me wish you and yours happy holidays.

 

[MaryL]

REALLY? Reparations Vs the huge black crime rate, lets call it Even Steven. Mowing down and destroying little ol white ladies and shooing each other to death . What do we owe YOU? How can we even put a price on that? I Bet the BLM can.

 

[AveryJarhman]

Do you really believe building more prisons is better than building more schools?

When not using hateful terms like C^^n or Sell-Out to denigrate people he does not admire or agree with, alleged grifter Dr. Umar Johnson spits rock solid truth about #ChildLiteracy & Preventing Future #MassIncarceration:

 

[alang1216]

Again with all due respect, I am amazed people with short attention spans believe they have the skills or facts required to engage in a cogent discussion about whatever topic they choose to become involved in...when in fact people with short attention spans generally just waste other people's time, and in most cases are not SOLUTIONS oriented people.

alang, wishing you a Safe, Happy Holiday

I guess I should have been more honest and said I don't like people wasting my time giving me other people's opinions. My bad. If someone has some pertinent facts I'm all ears but I didn't see any in your very colorful images. If there were any solutions there I guess they were too well camouflaged.

Hope you and your family have a great holiday.

Alang, let me wish you and yours happy holidays.

You are most kind. I wish the same to all on USMB, even those who would prefer I stop thinking and voting in ways they can't understand.

 

[IM2]

REALLY? Reparations Vs the huge black crime rate, lets call it Even Steven. Mowing down and destroying little ol white ladies and shooing each other to death . What do we owe YOU? How can we even put a price on that? I Bet the BLM can.

You were shown in another thread a bunch of white murderers. You owe us trillions of dollars.

Face the truth...

 

[IM2]

Face the truth Mary and stop hijacking threads with your racism.

Note that table 6 shows that more whites killed each other than blacks did. No excuses white folks, you've got a serious crime problem that you ignore. Apparently white lives don't matter.

 

[alang1216]

Face the truth Mary and stop hijacking threads with your racism.

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Note that table 6 shows that more whites killed each other than blacks did. No excuses white folks, you've got a serious crime problem that you ignore. Apparently white lives don't matter.

We're also great at stealing other people's money. That's why it's called White Collar crime I think.

 

[IM2]

"It's no secret that Jewish people were enslaved by Egyptian Pharaohs to do backbreaking labor building monuments and the pyramids. In the spirit of reparations, it would seem logical that Israel should demand reparations from Egypt to atone for their original sin. I believe this claim is every bit as valid as the current call for reparations for Black slavery in America. If you disagree, state clearly why Israel's claim would not be valid."

Silly season never ends in this forum. I know what is coming and it's going to be the same crazy from the same people.

The MODERN Case for Reparations Pt.1

“What white Americans have never fully understood but what the Negro can never forget--is that white society is deeply implicated in the ghetto. White institutions created it, white institutions maintain it, and white society condones it. It is time now to turn with all the purpose at our command to the major unfinished business of this nation. It is time to adopt strategies for action that will produce quick and visible progress. It is time to make good the promises of American democracy to all citizens-urban and rural, white and black, Spanish-surname, American Indian, and every minority group.”1.

Kerner Commission Report​

. Now before I go any further, let us review some definitions from Merriam Webster.

Definition of fact: 1 a: something that has actual existence. b: an actual occurrence. 2: a piece of information presented as having objective reality. 3: the quality of being actual. 4: a thing done. b archaic: action. c obsolete: feat

Definition of opinion:1 a: a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter. 2 a: belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge. b: a generally held view. 3 a: a formal expression of judgment or advice by an expert. b: the formal expression (as by a judge, court, or referee) of the legal reasons and principles upon which a legal decision is based.

Definition of delusion:1 a: something that is falsely or delusively believed or propagated. b psychology: a persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary; also: the abnormal state marked by such beliefs. 2: the act of tricking or deceiving someone the state of being deluded.

Definition of empirical:1: originating in or based on observation or experience. 2: relying on experience or observation alone often without due regard for system and theory. 3: capable of being verified or disproved by observation or experiment. 4: of or relating to empiricism.

I present these definitions because so much of racism is based in delusions, yet it has been shown that if something is said often enough and not challenged, people will believe it whether true or not. This has been the foundation on which racism has been built. Consistently throughout this thread. you will be shown examples based on something that has actual existence, originating in or based on observation or experience, relying on experience or observation alone often without due regard for system and theory, and capable of being verified or disproved by observation or experience.

On July 28, 1967, President Lyndon Johnson established the National Advisory Commission on Civil Disorders. The more common name for this is The Kerner Commission. This commission was tasked to answer three basic questions pertaining to the racial unrest in American cities: What happened? Why did it happen? What can be done to prevent it from happening again? It is common knowledge how this commission deemed that two separate Americas existed, one for whites, the other for blacks.

On February 26, 2018, 50 years after the Kerner Commission findings, the Economic Policy Institute published a report evaluating the progress of the black community since the Kerner Report was released. It was based on a study done by the Economic Policy Institute that compared the progress of the black community with the condition of the black community at the time of the Kerner Commission. Titled “50 years after the Kerner Commission,” the study’s central premise was that there had been some improvements in the situation blacks faced but there were still disadvantages blacks faced that were based on race. These are some of the findings:

African Americans today are much better educated than they were in 1968 but still lag behind whites in overall educational attainment. More than 90 percent of younger African Americans (ages 25 to 29) have graduated from high school, compared with just over half in 1968—which means they’ve nearly closed the gap with white high school graduation rates. They are also more than twice as likely to have a college degree as in 1968 but are still half as likely as young whites to have a college degree.

The substantial progress in educational attainment of African Americans has been accompanied by significant absolute improvements in wages, incomes, wealth, and health since 1968. But black workers still make only 82.5 cents on every dollar earned by white workers, African Americans are 2.5 times as likely to be in poverty as whites, and the median white family has almost 10 times as much wealth as the median black family.

With respect to homeownership, unemployment, and incarceration, America has failed to deliver any progress for African Americans over the last five decades. In these areas, their situation has either failed to improve relative to whites or has worsened. In 2017 the black unemployment rate was 7.5 percent, up from 6.7 percent in 1968, and is still roughly twice the white unemployment rate. In 2015, the black homeownership rate was just over 40 percent, virtually unchanged since 1968, and trailing a full 30 points behind the white homeownership rate, which saw modest gains over the same period. And the share of African Americans in prison or jail almost tripled between 1968 and 2016 and is currently more than six times the white incarceration rate.2

Following up on this, Richard Rothstein of the Economic Policy Institute wrote an op ed published in the February 28th edition of the New York Daily News entitled, “50 years after the Kerner Commission, minimal racial progress.” It had been 50 years since the commission made their recommendations at that point, yet Rothstein makes this statement: “So little has changed since 1968 that the report remains worth reading as a near-contemporary description of racial inequality.”3 There is a reason little has changed.

The commission recommended solutions based on the following 3 principles: 1.“To mount programs on a scale equal to the dimension of the problems.” 2.”To aim these programs for high impact in the immediate future in order to close the gap between promise and performance.” 3.“To undertake new initiatives and experiments that can change the system of failure and frustration that now dominates the ghetto and weakens our society.”4

With all due respect, I do not believe the members of the commission truly understood the real size of the problem. As of today, principle number 1 has yet to be met. In order for a societal problem to be solved, there must be a will consensual among all to solve the problem by any means necessary. Not by a half measure here and a half measure there. Principle number 1 was to create programs equal to the dimension of the problem. That’s a laudable goal, but the dimension of the problem in 1967 was 191 years of denied income, education, housing and wages. What series of programs could be proposed to a nation where half the people believed that “Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice?”

As a result of this study the commission identified 12 `grievances common in the communities they visited: “1. Police practices 2. Unemployment and underemployment 3. Inadequate housing. 4. Inadequate education 5. Poor recreation facilities and programs 6. Ineffectiveness of the political structure and grievance mechanisms. 7. Disrespectful white attitudes 8. Discriminatory administration of justice 9. Inadequacy of federal programs 10. Inadequacy of municipal services 11. Discriminatory consumer and credit practices 12. Inadequate welfare programs.”6

Americans would be hard pressed to say the grievances presented by the commission do not still exist. Martin Luther King called it over 50 years ago. “A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual doom.” Had Johnson spent the billions he wasted in Vietnam on programs suggested by the Kerner Commission, many of the problems blacks face today would be reduced or eliminated. The Kerner Commission report is perhaps the finest government study done on race in the history of this nation. As I wrote earlier, there is a reason why Rothstein came to his conclusion. We are now more than 50 years past the Kerner Commission findings. There has been little progress because at no level of government or society has America met even the first principle of the Kerner Commission.

“To mount programs on a scale equal to the dimension of the problems.”
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This was 1968 and the second study that concluded: So little has changed since 1968 that the report remains worth reading as a near-contemporary description of racial inequality.” was done in 2018. Reparations are not about slavery.

Report of the National Advisory Commission on Civil Disorders (New York: Bantam Books, 1968), pg.1. http://www.eisenhowerfoundation.org/docs/kerner.pdf

Janelle Jones, John Schmitt, Valerie Wilson, “50 years after the Kerner Commission,” Economic Policy Institute, February 26, 2018, 50 years after the Kerner Commission: African Americans are better off in many ways but are still disadvantaged by racial inequality

Richard Rothstein, “50 years after the Kerner Commission, minimal racial progress.”, New York Daily News, February 28, 2018

Report of the National Advisory Commission on Civil Disorders (New York: Bantam Books, 1968), pg.2. http://www.eisenhowerfoundation.org/docs/kerner.pdf

Report of the National Advisory Commission on Civil Disorders (New York: Bantam Books, 1968), pg.7. http://www.eisenhowerfoundation.org/docs/kerner.pdf

Report of the National Advisory Commission on Civil Disorders (New York: Bantam Books, 1968), pg.7. http://www.eisenhowerfoundation.org/docs/kerner.pdf

Report of the National Advisory Commission on Civil Disorders (New York: Bantam Books, 1968), pg.9. http://www.eisenhowerfoundation.org/docs/kerner.pdf

Lester Graham, The Kerner Commission, and why its recommendations were ignored, Detroit Journalism Cooperative, The Kerner Commission, and why its recommendations were ignored | Detroit Journalism Cooperative

Additional readings:

National Research Council 1989. A Common Destiny: Blacks and American Society. Washington, DC: The National Academies Press. A Common Destiny: Blacks and American Society | The National Academies Press.

Gunnar Myrdal, Richard Sterner, Arnold Rose, An American dilemma : the Negro problem and modern democracy, First edition, New York : London, Harper & Brothers, [c1944] https://ia800503.us.archive.org/32/...ndModernDemocracy/AmericanDelemmaVersion2.pdf

Jewish slaves DID NOT build the pyramids. Each stone in the pyramids was marked by the work crew that cut and placed it------graves of the actual pyramid builders clearly show that they were paid workmen not even slaves.

I believe Egyptian records show that at least some Jews served as Egyptian mercenaries guarding their southern border.

A question I've alway wrestled with is how far back should we go to find justice. If I steal your painting, justice says you are entitled to get it back? If, years later, I leave to my son, is your son entitled to get it back? Grandsons, great-grandsons, etc. It seems the chain has to stop somewhere. What is someone steals that painting from me, am I entitled to get it back?

I've never found a satisfying answer to any of this.

Considering that Native Americans get reparations every year, the question of how far back to go is a diversion.

 

[IM2]

Fuck Negroes.

They will get respect when they get off welfare, start taking care of their families, stop committing crimes and stop voting for the destructive Democrats.

More dumb whiteness from a member of the race that has been given the most from the government, who has committed the most crimes including..

 

[alang1216]

Considering that Native Americans get reparations every year, the question of how far back to go is a diversion.

It's not to me. Native Americans often drove off other Native Americans and took their land. I'd venture to say, except possibly for Polynesians, there is not a single human being living today that does not live on stolen land.

 

[IM2]

Considering that Native Americans get reparations every year, the question of how far back to go is a diversion.

It's not to me. Native Americans often drove off other Native Americans and took their land. I'd venture to say, except possibly for Polynesians, there is not a single human being living today that does not live on stolen land.

Whites did the same thing in Europe but no one invaded Europe and tried wiping out all the Europeans then establish a government while claiming Europe belonged to them. You are making excuses that really should not be made. And white nations have paid each other reparations for wars between each other.

 

[Quasar44]

Blacks have had trillions in welfare and still on the bottom of the barrel

 

[Quasar44]

Too bad we can’t ship them all back !!
Even give them 20 grand each

 

[IM2]

Africa has nothing to do with this. There are slaves being sold in Europe by whites, so you can just drop that dodge.

Typical---------ignore the crimes of blacks. Blacks have always and still remain slavers but you wanna go after whites who ended slavery not just in the US but also forced most of slavery to end in Africa.

One more example of dumb whiteness leading to psychosis.

The first country to end slavery was Haiti, not a European country, and it was done by an armed slave revolution whereby slaves led by Jean-Jacques Dessalines sent Napoleon back to France.

 

[IM2]

Blacks have had trillions in welfare and still on the bottom of the barrel

That has not happened.

 

[danielpalos]

Blacks have had trillions in welfare and still on the bottom of the barrel

Proof welfare is not meant to solve any economic problems only the symptoms of inefficient economics.