The Low-Information Voter: All They Know Is That They're Angry & Its All Obamas Fault

[teapartysamurai]

These people are panicked by economic and environmental ruination (there has been leaks/spills in Alaska of late), they have been jerked all over hell and back by the finest propaganda machine man ever created, they are preoccupied trying to stay afloat and cannot study on every issue like a PhD candidate........

Rachel Maddow has an abrasive style (at least when I watched her) and a calm conversation with any of these people about what concerns them most could have been had, Marc. Maddow made time and place choices that maximized their ignorance and fear.

Yanno, one criticism of the left is that we look down on "regular people". Ain't that more or less what you are doing?

No, this is not what I'm doing. A "regular person" doesn't just get livid with NOTHING factual or reasonable backing it up. If this is what a "regular person" in America is today. We got some MAJOR problems.

These people are drunk on FOXNews, and FOXNews has PURPOSELY fed them a steady diet of lies and propoganda. These people are people who already leaned a certain way, and what FNN has done is spread the sickness from those with absolutely no sense to those with a little bit of sense to those with some sense...all on the right.

I don't appreciate you suggesting that I outright have something against "regular people," the facts just doesn't bear that out.

Edit:
Oh, and to suggest that Rachel Maddow's interview style is somehow..."abrasive" I think that's near laughable. I'd like to know what and how you define abrasive, also, what examples do you have on her being such as well. You want to know whats abrasive, or who...Bill O'Reilly...that's abrasive if I ever seen it.

Provide a list of the alleged lies and propaganda that Fox News spreads.

Wait a minute. He has to go to the "non-partisan" Media Matters and look that one up!

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Soggy, there is no way in hell a sane or honest person could defend a person being so strong and firm on an issue or issues that they have absolutely NO facts to back it up on.

Rachel asked them directly..."What SPECIFICALLY did he do to prevent or attack 2nd amendment rights." They BOTH ended up responding with "I don't have the facts at the moment."

But they were BOTH absolutely SURE that he was anti 2nd amendments.

Dude...that's the DEFINITION of ignorance, willful ignorance at that.

Whether or not they could give specifics, they answered correctly. Bozobama has demonstrated that he does not favor 2nd amendment rights. He voted for a bill that would ban nearly every hunting rifle, shotgun and target rifle owned by Illinois citizens. That same bill would authorize the state police to raid homes of gun owners to forcibly confiscate banned guns. Obama supported a bill that would shut down law-abiding firearm manufacturers including Springfield Armory, Armalite, Rock River Arms and Les Baer. Obama also voted for a bill that would prohibit law-abiding citizens from purchasing more than one gun per month. While a state senator, Obama voted 4 times against legislation that would allow a homeowner to use a firearm in defense of home and family (Illinois Senate, S.B. 2165, vote 20, 3/25/04).

The Philadelphia Inquirer reports this regarding Obama’s view on the DC gun ban-

Obama personally voiced support for the D.C. ban at other times. In February, Leon Harris, a news anchor for the ABC affiliate in Washington, said to Obama: “One other issue that’s of great importance here in the district as well is gun control … but you support the D.C. handgun ban.” Obama’s simple response: “Right.” When Harris added “and you’ve said that it’s constitutional,” Obama again said “right,” and he is clearly seen on tape nodding his head in agreement.

 

[theHawk]

Soggy, there is no way in hell a sane or honest person could defend a person being so strong and firm on an issue or issues that they have absolutely NO facts to back it up on.
Rachel asked them directly..."What SPECIFICALLY did he do to prevent or attack 2nd amendment rights." They BOTH ended up responding with "I don't have the facts at the moment."

But they were BOTH absolutely SURE that he was anti 2nd amendments.

Dude...that's the DEFINITION of ignorance, willful ignorance at that.

How would you define someone that willfully ignores an outright lie quoted in his own OP?

 

[rdean]

It's been during the last two years the country has seen the results of Republican leadership. But because Obama is in office the base is angry at him. He has managed to blunt Republican excess, but not enough.

Then there is the race thing. Obama's name could be "Dwight Ronald Washington Lincoln" and 90% of the Republican Party still would hate his guts.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

It's been during the last two years the country has seen the results of Republican leadership. But because Obama is in office the base is angry at him. He has managed to blunt Republican excess, but not enough.

Then there is the race thing. Obama's name could be "Dwight Ronald Washington Lincoln" and 90% of the Republican Party still would hate his guts.

Republican leadership?

You know Reid, Pelosi and Obama are Democrats right?

 

[theHawk]

It's been during the last two years the country has seen the results of Republican leadership. But because Obama is in office the base is angry at him. He has managed to blunt Republican excess, but not enough.

Then there is the race thing. Obama's name could be "Dwight Ronald Washington Lincoln" and 90% of the Republican Party still would hate his guts.

No shit we'd still hate his guts, because no matter what his name is it doesn't change all the shit he and his Dem congress have done.

Also, continue ignoring the fact that Dems controlled congress during Bush's last two years. Its quite comical.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

It's been during the last two years the country has seen the results of Republican leadership. But because Obama is in office the base is angry at him. He has managed to blunt Republican excess, but not enough.

Then there is the race thing. Obama's name could be "Dwight Ronald Washington Lincoln" and 90% of the Republican Party still would hate his guts.

No shit we'd still hate his guts, because no matter what his name is it doesn't change all the shit he and his Dem congress have done.

Also, continue ignoring the fact that Dems controlled congress during Bush's last two years. Its quite comical.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to theHawk again.

Reid, Pelosi and Obama are all Republicans...in the Rdean Zone

 

[theHawk]

At least we know what the "r" means in "rdean" now.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I screwed up really badly in one of my first posts here where I listed "Three reason Dems suck" or something like that and I got carried away and edited the post so there were 4 things but the Title said 3 things.

It was embarrassing, funny, but embarrassing.

That was one post.

Rdeans seems to make a habit out of letting his hatred embarrass him in every post.

 

[MarcATL]

LoLing @ Obama being arrogant and a divider, meanwhile Bush shouting from the rooftops "I AM THE DECIDER!!" that's perfectly fine and uniting.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

It's been during the last two years the country has seen the results of Republican leadership. But because Obama is in office the base is angry at him. He has managed to blunt Republican excess, but not enough.

Then there is the race thing. Obama's name could be "Dwight Ronald Washington Lincoln" and 90% of the Republican Party still would hate his guts.

Republican leadership?

You know Reid, Pelosi and Obama are Democrats right?

The democrats have controlled the purse strings and both houses since 2007 and have amassed 5 trillion dollars in new debt.

Speaker Pelosi said "After years of historic deficits, this 110th Congress will commit itself to a higher standard: Pay as you go, no new deficit spending,” and this, “Our new America will provide unlimited opportunity for future generations, not burden them with mountains of debt." .

Liberals are incapable of being honest and Rdumb is staying true to his character.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

It's more Pelosi & Reid's fault than it is Obama's in my opinion. There is a lot of anger out there. "Low-Information Voter" is in the eye of the beholder though.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

LoLing @ Obama being arrogant and a divider, meanwhile Bush shouting from the rooftops "I AM THE DECIDER!!" that's perfectly fine and uniting.

Why are you scared?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

LoLing @ Obama being arrogant and a divider, meanwhile Bush shouting from the rooftops "I AM THE DECIDER!!" that's perfectly fine and uniting.

ar·ro·gant
adj \-gənt\
Definition of ARROGANT
1
: exaggerating or disposed to exaggerate one's own worth or importance often by an overbearing manner <an arrogant official>

 

[MarcATL]

Whether or not they could give specifics, they answered correctly. Bozobama has demonstrated that he does not favor 2nd amendment rights. He voted for a bill that would ban nearly every hunting rifle, shotgun and target rifle owned by Illinois citizens. That same bill would authorize the state police to raid homes of gun owners to forcibly confiscate banned guns. Obama supported a bill that would shut down law-abiding firearm manufacturers including Springfield Armory, Armalite, Rock River Arms and Les Baer. Obama also voted for a bill that would prohibit law-abiding citizens from purchasing more than one gun per month. While a state senator, Obama voted 4 times against legislation that would allow a homeowner to use a firearm in defense of home and family (Illinois Senate, S.B. 2165, vote 20, 3/25/04).

The Philadelphia Inquirer reports this regarding Obama’s view on the DC gun ban-

Obama personally voiced support for the D.C. ban at other times. In February, Leon Harris, a news anchor for the ABC affiliate in Washington, said to Obama: “One other issue that’s of great importance here in the district as well is gun control … but you support the D.C. handgun ban.” Obama’s simple response: “Right.” When Harris added “and you’ve said that it’s constitutional,” Obama again said “right,” and he is clearly seen on tape nodding his head in agreement.

In other words it doesn't matter WHAT the issue at hand is, who the person is or when...its all Obama's fault.

"Obammer....BAADD!!! Must SMASH!!!"

OK, got it.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

LoLing @ Obama being arrogant and a divider, meanwhile Bush shouting from the rooftops "I AM THE DECIDER!!" that's perfectly fine and uniting.

Hey you kool-aid drinking retard, Obama is the most polarizing Preisident in US history.

The Gallup Poll people delivered an interesting report today: President Obama was the most polarizing first-year president in history.

Read it and weep!

 

[MarcATL]

The retard totally skipped the OBVIOUS truth, and responded with some RETARDED poll and editorial piece.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Whether or not they could give specifics, they answered correctly. Bozobama has demonstrated that he does not favor 2nd amendment rights. He voted for a bill that would ban nearly every hunting rifle, shotgun and target rifle owned by Illinois citizens. That same bill would authorize the state police to raid homes of gun owners to forcibly confiscate banned guns. Obama supported a bill that would shut down law-abiding firearm manufacturers including Springfield Armory, Armalite, Rock River Arms and Les Baer. Obama also voted for a bill that would prohibit law-abiding citizens from purchasing more than one gun per month. While a state senator, Obama voted 4 times against legislation that would allow a homeowner to use a firearm in defense of home and family (Illinois Senate, S.B. 2165, vote 20, 3/25/04).

The Philadelphia Inquirer reports this regarding Obama’s view on the DC gun ban-

Obama personally voiced support for the D.C. ban at other times. In February, Leon Harris, a news anchor for the ABC affiliate in Washington, said to Obama: “One other issue that’s of great importance here in the district as well is gun control … but you support the D.C. handgun ban.” Obama’s simple response: “Right.” When Harris added “and you’ve said that it’s constitutional,” Obama again said “right,” and he is clearly seen on tape nodding his head in agreement.

In other words it doesn't matter WHAT the issue at hand is, who the person is or when...its all Obama's fault.

"Obammer....BAADD!!! Must SMASH!!!"

OK, got it.

Why the fuck are you attempting to put words in my mouth? Oh that's right that's what you kool-aid drinkers do.

Go look at Obama's voting record while he was in the Illinois Senate.

FACT: Barack Obama opposes four of the five Supreme Court justices who affirmed an individual right to keep and bear arms. He voted against the confirmation of Alito and Roberts and he has stated he would not have appointed Thomas or Scalia.

FACT: Barack Obama voted for an Illinois State Senate bill to ban and confiscate “assault weapons,” but the bill was so poorly crafted, it would have also banned most semi-auto and single and double barrel shotguns commonly used by sportsmen.

FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.

FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.

FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.

FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a 500% increase in the federal excise tax on firearms and ammunition.

FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.

FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.

FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people
who use firearms in self-defense.

FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.

FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.

FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.

FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and “research.”

FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.

FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.

FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.

FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.

FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.

FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month handgun purchase restrictions.

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.

1. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 219, July 29, 2005. (U.S. Senate: Legislation & Records Home > Votes > Roll Call Vote)

2. Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, Sept. 9, 1996. The responses on this survey were described in “Obama had greater role on liberal survey,” Politico, March 31, 2008. (Obama had greater role on liberal survey - Kenneth P. Vogel - POLITICO.com)

3. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 217, Kennedy amendment July 29, 2005. (U.S. Senate: Legislation & Records Home > Votes > Roll Call Vote)

4. David Wright, Ursula Fahy and Sunlen Miller, "Obama: `Common Sense Regulation` On Gun Owners` Rights," ABC News` "Political Radar" Blog, Political Punch, 2/15/08. (Obama: 'Common Sense Regulation' on Gun Owners' Rights - Political Radar)

5. Illinois Senate, SB 2165, March 25, 2004, vote 20 and May 25, 2004, vote 3.

6. “Fact Check: No News In Obama`s Consistent Record.” Obama ’08, December 11, 2007. (Organizing for America | BarackObama.com)

7. “Candidates` gun control positions may figure in Pa. vote,” Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Wednesday, April 2, 2008, and "Keyes, Obama Are Far Apart On Guns," Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04. (Candidates' gun control positions may figure in Pa. vote - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review)

8. 1998 Joyce Foundation Annual Report, p. 7.

9. “Obama and Gun Control,” The Volokh Conspiracy, taken from the Chicago Defender, Dec. 13, 1999. (The Volokh Conspiracy - Obama and Gun Control:)

10. Illinois Senate, May 5, 2002, SB 1936 Con., vote 26.

11. Illinois Senate, March 25, 2004, SB 2163, vote 18.

12. “Clinton, Edwards, Obama on gun control,” Radio Iowa, Sunday, April 22, 2007. (http://learfield.typepad.com/radioiowa/2007/04/clinton_edwards.html)

13. Chicago Tribune blogs, “Barack Obama: NIU Shootings call for action,” February 15, 2008, (The Swamp: Barack Obama: NIU shootings call for action)

14. Barack Obama campaign website: “As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment . . .” (Organizing for America | BarackObama.com | Policy Issues.)

15. Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes (Barack Obama on Gun Control and Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes) Oct 21, 2004.

16. Illinois Senate, May 16, 2003, HB 2579, vote 34.

17. United States Senate vote 245, September 29, 2005 and vote 2, January 31, 2006 and Saddleback Forum, August 16, 2008.

18. Illinois Senate Judiciary Committee, March 13, 2003. To see the vote tally go to: http://www.nrapvf.org/Media/pdf/sb1195_obama.pdf.

And your response is?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

The retard totally skipped the OBVIOUS truth, and responded with some RETARDED poll and editorial piece.

You can't dispute the findings and so you call them retarded. Typical liberal idiot.

That "D" on your forehead is a nice touch.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Whether or not they could give specifics, they answered correctly. Bozobama has demonstrated that he does not favor 2nd amendment rights. He voted for a bill that would ban nearly every hunting rifle, shotgun and target rifle owned by Illinois citizens. That same bill would authorize the state police to raid homes of gun owners to forcibly confiscate banned guns. Obama supported a bill that would shut down law-abiding firearm manufacturers including Springfield Armory, Armalite, Rock River Arms and Les Baer. Obama also voted for a bill that would prohibit law-abiding citizens from purchasing more than one gun per month. While a state senator, Obama voted 4 times against legislation that would allow a homeowner to use a firearm in defense of home and family (Illinois Senate, S.B. 2165, vote 20, 3/25/04).

The Philadelphia Inquirer reports this regarding Obama’s view on the DC gun ban-

Obama personally voiced support for the D.C. ban at other times. In February, Leon Harris, a news anchor for the ABC affiliate in Washington, said to Obama: “One other issue that’s of great importance here in the district as well is gun control … but you support the D.C. handgun ban.” Obama’s simple response: “Right.” When Harris added “and you’ve said that it’s constitutional,” Obama again said “right,” and he is clearly seen on tape nodding his head in agreement.

In other words it doesn't matter WHAT the issue at hand is, who the person is or when...its all Obama's fault.

"Obammer....BAADD!!! Must SMASH!!!"

OK, got it.

Why the fuck are you attempting to put words in my mouth? Oh that's right that's what you kool-aid drinkers do.

Go look at Obama's voting record while he was in the Illinois Senate.

FACT: Barack Obama opposes four of the five Supreme Court justices who affirmed an individual right to keep and bear arms. He voted against the confirmation of Alito and Roberts and he has stated he would not have appointed Thomas or Scalia.

FACT: Barack Obama voted for an Illinois State Senate bill to ban and confiscate “assault weapons,” but the bill was so poorly crafted, it would have also banned most semi-auto and single and double barrel shotguns commonly used by sportsmen.

FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.

FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.

FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.

FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a 500% increase in the federal excise tax on firearms and ammunition.

FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.

FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.

FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people
who use firearms in self-defense.

FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.

FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.

FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.

FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and “research.”

FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.

FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.

FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.

FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.

FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.

FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month handgun purchase restrictions.

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.

1. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 219, July 29, 2005. (U.S. Senate: Legislation & Records Home > Votes > Roll Call Vote)

2. Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, Sept. 9, 1996. The responses on this survey were described in “Obama had greater role on liberal survey,” Politico, March 31, 2008. (Obama had greater role on liberal survey - Kenneth P. Vogel - POLITICO.com)

3. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 217, Kennedy amendment July 29, 2005. (U.S. Senate: Legislation & Records Home > Votes > Roll Call Vote)

4. David Wright, Ursula Fahy and Sunlen Miller, "Obama: `Common Sense Regulation` On Gun Owners` Rights," ABC News` "Political Radar" Blog, Political Punch, 2/15/08. (Obama: 'Common Sense Regulation' on Gun Owners' Rights - Political Radar)

5. Illinois Senate, SB 2165, March 25, 2004, vote 20 and May 25, 2004, vote 3.

6. “Fact Check: No News In Obama`s Consistent Record.” Obama ’08, December 11, 2007. (Organizing for America | BarackObama.com)

7. “Candidates` gun control positions may figure in Pa. vote,” Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Wednesday, April 2, 2008, and "Keyes, Obama Are Far Apart On Guns," Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04. (Candidates' gun control positions may figure in Pa. vote - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review)

8. 1998 Joyce Foundation Annual Report, p. 7.

9. “Obama and Gun Control,” The Volokh Conspiracy, taken from the Chicago Defender, Dec. 13, 1999. (The Volokh Conspiracy - Obama and Gun Control:)

10. Illinois Senate, May 5, 2002, SB 1936 Con., vote 26.

11. Illinois Senate, March 25, 2004, SB 2163, vote 18.

12. “Clinton, Edwards, Obama on gun control,” Radio Iowa, Sunday, April 22, 2007. (http://learfield.typepad.com/radioiowa/2007/04/clinton_edwards.html)

13. Chicago Tribune blogs, “Barack Obama: NIU Shootings call for action,” February 15, 2008, (The Swamp: Barack Obama: NIU shootings call for action)

14. Barack Obama campaign website: “As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment . . .” (Organizing for America | BarackObama.com | Policy Issues.)

15. Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes (Barack Obama on Gun Control and Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes) Oct 21, 2004.

16. Illinois Senate, May 16, 2003, HB 2579, vote 34.

17. United States Senate vote 245, September 29, 2005 and vote 2, January 31, 2006 and Saddleback Forum, August 16, 2008.

18. Illinois Senate Judiciary Committee, March 13, 2003. To see the vote tally go to: http://www.nrapvf.org/Media/pdf/sb1195_obama.pdf.

And your response is?

Where'd you go MarcAtl?