The "liberal" vision of firefighting.

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    Ever wonder what happens when fire departments refuse to put out fires? It is a long article, but well worth the read.

    The Firemen Next Time - John Berlau - National Review Online

    I wonder if the people who condemned the firefighters in Tennessee will speak up against these examples. After all, everyone has a right to strike, even if it means a house, or five, burns down, or someone ends up dead.
     
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    I think that emergency service personnel are exempt from that rule Quantum.

    Remember New Orleans and Hurricane Katrina? They weren't allowed to strike, so about 1/3 of them walked off the job.

    Apparently, it extends to paramedics in NYC now......

    Pregnant woman dies after paramedics 'refuse to help' - Yahoo!7
     
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    That is because most states forbid collective bargaining with police and firemen, something the Democrats want to change.
     
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    I wonder if the people who approve of the "free market" firefighters in Tennessee will speak up in favor of this too... after all, organized labor is part of a free market...
     
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    The difference here is stark. In this case these strikers are causing tax payers to go with out fire coverage.

    In the other case a Guy refused to pay the annual fee for coverage.

    How can you even compare the 2?
     
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    Typical 'National Review' anti American worker propaganda, the review is a pro corporate enslavement policy think tank. Carried to an extreme, conservative republican 'freedom' rhetoric would get rid of all public services, so anyone reading this crap needs to look behind the curtain for the benefactors when the American worker is completely disenfranchised. It has always struck me as curious how republicans have managed to destroy American worker rights, starting with Reagan, and continuing to everything from minimum wage to refusing unemployment, to allowing business to buy the air waves. But it is the power of those air waves and the tools at the national review who hide the reality.


    "Disagreements about the optimal level of wealth inequality underlie policy debates ranging from taxation to welfare. We attempt to insert the desires of “regular” Americans into these debates, by asking a nationally representative online panel to estimate the current distribution of wealth in the United States and to “build a better America” by constructing distributions with their ideal level of inequality. First, respondents dramatically underestimated the current level of wealth inequality. Second, respondents constructed ideal wealth distributions that were far more equitable than even their erroneously low estimates of the actual distribution."

    http://www.people.hbs.edu/mnorton/norton ariely in press.pdf
     
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    How can you can compare something that happened very recently to something that happened 32 years ago?

    But the comparison is pretty simple. If your going to embrace the free market, and be ok with firefighters refusing to put out a man's burning house because he didn't pay the fee, how can you get upset when firefighters refuse to work because they're not getting paid enough? Both are simple applications of the free market.
     
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    There is no comparison. Not apples and oranges. More like oranges and basketballs.
     
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    The firefighters in Tennessee are not free market, they are government.
     
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    I do support there right to strike, but it is a stretch to call Government employed union workers a free market.

    What I do not get is why you are trying to compare the 2 stories.

    As I said in the case of the strikers we are talking about people who pay taxes for Fire Coverage, Not getting said coverage because of the strike. While in the other case we were talking about one man, who lived outside of the taxed fire coverage area, and refused to pay.

    No real comparison there at all.
     
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