The Left Killed the Working Class

[Moonglow]

And the conservatives total distaste for raising the minimum wage doesn't hurt the working class?

It's not for the government to decide my wage. That's between me and my employer. Furthermore, if a minimum wage job is all you can get as an adult then you have much bigger problems.

The min. wage law is there to protect people from some employers that try to cheat their workers...Companies still have the right to negotiate a wage...Just not below a certain amount....Which would not garner decent workers anyway..

 

[Moonglow]

The Left Killed the Working Class - Social Matter

...........................American progressives have a certain ideal aesthetic for work. It doesn’t involve the working class, whom they loathe and consider to be deficient. They hate working class life patterns, they hate working class workplaces, they hate dirty factories, and basically anyone who doesn’t work in the realm of ideas and spreadsheets. Those industries they pretend are either outmoded or morally deficient, and push them into foreign countries.

Bourgeois Americans tend to be relatively happy with this state of affairs. Fewer factories mean for cleaner air, fewer strange smells, and a society that has largely pushed those social roles onto foreigners whom they never see. They never have to fear their children winding up working in factories, because all those jobs belong to foreigners now. They instead push their children, even the stupid ones, into college in the hopes of winning white collar jobs in business or the bureaucracy.

But dirty jobs still need to be done. The left has long since abandoned the pretense of being the friend of the working class, whom they have transformed into a handout-class of dependents, deprived of pride, honor, family, culture, and independent livelihoods. The promise of labor legislation was that it would lead to better quality of life for the working class. Instead it has lead to lumpen-prolification, and a further spiritual diminishment, even as the physical infrastructure in the country becomes more hideous, useless, and inefficient over time.

Hand-workers and technicians are not somehow worse than white collar workers. Many of them are capable of earning large salaries, because their productivity is worth quite a lot to their employers. What most people tend to think of as the ‘progress’ of the 20th century has often really been an enormous regression, redefined into goodness.

People on the right should not shrug their shoulders at the needs of the lower orders of people for meaningful, productive work. Knowing that they can’t be made into high-end ‘knowledge workers’ by education alone (because intelligence has biological roots), we ought to aim to roll back bureaucratized nature-worship and throw away the fossilized legislation of the New Deal both — without turning the country into an industrial sewer in the process.

Progressives/socialists always kill the middle class because they take their money in the form of over taxation and regulation… Fact

We have a solid GOP majority govt. and they raise taxes and want to raise them more, yet some taxes must be voted upon..

 

[Picaro]

And the conservatives total distaste for raising the minimum wage doesn't hurt the working class?

It's not for the government to decide my wage. That's between me and my employer. Furthermore, if a minimum wage job is all you can get as an adult then you have much bigger problems.

The min. wage law is there to protect people from some employers that try to cheat their workers...Companies still have the right to negotiate a wage...Just not below a certain amount....Which would not garner decent workers anyway..

Looking at the vast majority of jobs being created the last decade or two, there are all kinds of decent workers out there working for peanuts. that's why races to the bottom become self-fulfilling prophecies when you gut your tax base and ship the high productivity jobs overseas and your economy controls inflation via massive trade deficits sucking cash out of it. That can't go on forever, and nobody is going to spend 8 years and massive expenses educating themselves for some 'knowledge job' that doesn't pay even a basic subsistence level income, no matter what some fantasy economics narrative peddles. Ideologues are all idiots, left or right wing ones.

 

[Moonglow]

And the conservatives total distaste for raising the minimum wage doesn't hurt the working class?

It's not for the government to decide my wage. That's between me and my employer. Furthermore, if a minimum wage job is all you can get as an adult then you have much bigger problems.

The min. wage law is there to protect people from some employers that try to cheat their workers...Companies still have the right to negotiate a wage...Just not below a certain amount....Which would not garner decent workers anyway..

Looking at the vast majority of jobs being created the last decade or two, there are all kinds of decent workers out there working for peanuts. that's why races to the bottom become self-fulfilling prophecies when you gut your tax base and ship the high productivity jobs overseas and your economy controls inflation via massive trade deficits sucking cash out of it. That can't go on forever, and nobody is going to spend 8 years and massive expenses educating themselves for some 'knowledge job' that doesn't pay even a basic subsistence level income, no matter what some fantasy economics narrative peddles. Ideologues are all idiots, left or right wing ones.

I was able to learn several trades while growing up.I learned that one trade was never enough.. I also learned electronics maintenance, electrical and mechanical..making myself available for many jobs...While low pay is not as much of an issue as the increase in the cost of living and auto prices, one must still strive to live within ones means...When I suffered from low wages after Reagan was elected I worked two, sometimes three jobs to do what I wanted...But I was brought up in family of Germans that worked hard and did their best no matter what the job entailed...Which with that ethic allowed me into positions which I could earn more...Plus I ran my own business and earned 4 times what hourly guys were making...It dd take more effort and work, but that big bulge(wad of dough) in my pants was nice to grab and remind me what it was all about...

 

[Picaro]

And the conservatives total distaste for raising the minimum wage doesn't hurt the working class?

It's not for the government to decide my wage. That's between me and my employer. Furthermore, if a minimum wage job is all you can get as an adult then you have much bigger problems.

The min. wage law is there to protect people from some employers that try to cheat their workers...Companies still have the right to negotiate a wage...Just not below a certain amount....Which would not garner decent workers anyway..

Looking at the vast majority of jobs being created the last decade or two, there are all kinds of decent workers out there working for peanuts. that's why races to the bottom become self-fulfilling prophecies when you gut your tax base and ship the high productivity jobs overseas and your economy controls inflation via massive trade deficits sucking cash out of it. That can't go on forever, and nobody is going to spend 8 years and massive expenses educating themselves for some 'knowledge job' that doesn't pay even a basic subsistence level income, no matter what some fantasy economics narrative peddles. Ideologues are all idiots, left or right wing ones.

I was able to learn several trades while growing up.I learned that one trade was never enough.. I also learned electronics maintenance, electrical and mechanical..making myself available for many jobs...While low pay is not as much of an issue as the increase in the cost of living and auto prices, one must still strive to live within ones means...When I suffered from low wages after Reagan was elected I worked two, sometimes three jobs to do what I wanted...But I was brought up in family of Germans that worked hard and did their best no matter what the job entailed...Which with that ethic allowed me into positions which I could earn more...

So did I, but if one went by what companies claim to be 'labor shortages', you will quickly waste a lot of your time and money training for crap careers that will have you spending your entire life retraining and never getting past entry level pay scales, because you have to have a new skill set about every three years. the fact is these companies lie about 'shortages', and still do. They just don't want to train their own employees and retain them, or they want to cry about fake shortages in order to get a stack of green cards, or they don't want to move their companies where the cost of living is commensurate to what they want to pay. Companies don't have some magical right to all the labor they want instantly any more than they have some right to get rich as fast as they would like, which of course is the real reason they all snivel and lie about labor shortages.

 

[Moonglow]

And the conservatives total distaste for raising the minimum wage doesn't hurt the working class?

It's not for the government to decide my wage. That's between me and my employer. Furthermore, if a minimum wage job is all you can get as an adult then you have much bigger problems.

The min. wage law is there to protect people from some employers that try to cheat their workers...Companies still have the right to negotiate a wage...Just not below a certain amount....Which would not garner decent workers anyway..

Looking at the vast majority of jobs being created the last decade or two, there are all kinds of decent workers out there working for peanuts. that's why races to the bottom become self-fulfilling prophecies when you gut your tax base and ship the high productivity jobs overseas and your economy controls inflation via massive trade deficits sucking cash out of it. That can't go on forever, and nobody is going to spend 8 years and massive expenses educating themselves for some 'knowledge job' that doesn't pay even a basic subsistence level income, no matter what some fantasy economics narrative peddles. Ideologues are all idiots, left or right wing ones.

I was able to learn several trades while growing up.I learned that one trade was never enough.. I also learned electronics maintenance, electrical and mechanical..making myself available for many jobs...While low pay is not as much of an issue as the increase in the cost of living and auto prices, one must still strive to live within ones means...When I suffered from low wages after Reagan was elected I worked two, sometimes three jobs to do what I wanted...But I was brought up in family of Germans that worked hard and did their best no matter what the job entailed...Which with that ethic allowed me into positions which I could earn more...

So did I, but if one went by what companies claim to be 'labor shortages', you will quickly waste a lot of your time and money training for crap careers that will have you spending your entire life retraining and never getting past entry level pay scales, because you have to have a new skill set about every three years. the fact is these companies lie about 'shortages', and still do. They just don't want to train their own employees and retain them, or they want to cry about fake shortages in order to get a stack of green cards, or they don't want to move their companies where the cost of living is commensurate to what they want to pay. Companies don't have some magical right to all the labor they want instantly any more than they have some right to get rich as fast as they would like, which of course is the real reason they all snivel and lie about labor shortages.

That is why I left the corporate world and started my own business. I was tired of their games and employees playing character assassination...

 

[initforme]

A smart worker is always on the lookout for a better paying job. And he\she is ready to walk away in an instant. Loyalty is and has no place in the workplace anymore. Getting trained so one is in demand is the key. Then one uses this as leverage in the never ending conflict that must exist between emp!oyee and employer.

 

[WillReadmore]

I recall 50 years ago the politicians talked-and-talked about saving the American family farm. You can romanticize American manufacturing jobs in like fashion or realize that like what agriculture has gone through, more-and-more will be produced with less-and-less people.

Absolutely.

Even thos

What kind of jobs did you have in mind? Our corporate leaders have found that third world slaves can perform the tasks that unskilled Americans used to. And not everyone is capable of performing knowledge work.

Not to mention there aren't many of those so-called 'knowledge jobs' around, and if everybody on the planet had 150 point IQ's and was trained to do them, they then wouldn't pay anything either. You would left with a whole lot of very intelligent people who are pissed off and out to take you down rather than just go off and die passively in a ditch somewhere just because some idiot 'libertoon' thinks they should and will.

I don't agree with this even slightly.

Throughout my own employment the reason we couldn't expand is that the people able to do the job couldn't be found.

Today, general manufacturing jobs are hard for people to find in our rust belt. BUT, those corporations ARE hiring college graduates. In fact, they have unfilled positions for people with college degrees. Manufacturing jobs are changing, and we don't have the education infrastructure to keep up with that rapidly changing segment.

And, let's remember that most of those starting successful new corporations are coming from college.

Sure, that's why I know employers are now demanding 4 year degrees for their receptionist jobs, because college degrees are just so rare nowadays ...

Yes.

Having a college education is starting to become a basic requirement.

People who are hired are chosen as people who can advance in the company. The attempt is to hire a receptionist who will become an executive assistant and then move into management (or whatever), to start making marketing contributions as they learn the company and talk to clients, etc.

I know someone who started by running a coffee cart in front of a significant retail chain and after a progression of jobs ended up being in charge of all print advertising.

I would never hire someone who I thought wasn't going to progress beyond the position as advertised.

lol horseshit. The reason they require on is because they can, degrees are a dime a dozen, and they are also dumbed down to the point where they aren't representative of anything but seat warming and grade inflation, not even as good as the average 8th grade education of the 1950's. Please, don't piss on my leg and try to tell me it's raining; I've worked in high tech companies for decades, and lived in Silly Con Valley. I know why the claim there is some sort of 'labor shortage' is pure bunk, and seen first hand why many companies can't find 'qualified people n stuff'. they can't find them because nobody wants to work for them, almost in every case, and they don't want to pay anybody enough to make it worthwhile to live in places like the Bay area, or New York, or Dallas, or any other tech bubble ghetto, for just one reason. another is they don't want to hire older workers, they want to get green cards and import more easily exploitable suckers who work a lot cheaper, and more as well, but you aren't going to admit any of this anyway and will just waste my time with more anecdotes and homilies, so I won't bother.

Or tech centers in North Carolina, Boston, Colorado, Seattle, Philly, Texas, etc. - right?? Tell me which one of these could possibly quality as a "bubble".

There are issues related to hiring older workers. New up and coming tech corporations tend to be populated by young graduates ready to live on little, work long hours, and who are part of a different social age group. Older workers often have significant credentials in areas that are no longer nearly as relevant and who are not as in tune with today's market - people who wouldn't have guessed that twitter could be successful, etc.

Yes, my own outreach went outside America, because there are smart people out there - people who we would hire regardless of where they came from. For each such hire outside of America it has been necessary to prove that I would hire anyone with the same skills who we could find in America. We're only 5% of the world. 95% of the brain power is OUTSIDE America.

In other words, you're clueless on this front.

 

[WillReadmore]

A smart worker is always on the lookout for a better paying job. And he\she is ready to walk away in an instant. Loyalty is and has no place in the workplace anymore. Getting trained so one is in demand is the key. Then one uses this as leverage in the never ending conflict that must exist between emp!oyee and employer.

True. But, that isn't new.

One of the attractions of tech centers such as in CA, North Carolina, Boston, etc., is that one can find multiple employers for one's skills without having to move. One can look at many possible employers, talk with their employees, make technical contacts, and make one's employment decisions without having to try to get an interview in some distant place.

Also, it doesn't start after college. It's no surprise that technology centers grow around universities where corporations can have connections to the source of employees and to the research being done at the universities. Look at the number of universities and colleges proximate to Silicon Valley. Look at the universities in the North Carolina research triangle. Etc.

 

[JoeNormal]

And the conservatives total distaste for raising the minimum wage doesn't hurt the working class?
They love to claim that raising the minimum wage causes inflation and spikes the unemployment rate.
Yet, that has never happened.
Below are links to, historical unemployment rates, CPI rates and the dates when the minimum wage was raised. Go ahead prove me wrong, there has never been a spike in unepmoyment or inflation when the minimum wage was raised. And also prove to me that raising the minimum wage, doesn't have a ripple effect for higher wages/incomes for the middle class workers.
Consumer Price Index, 1913- | Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis
US Unemployment Rate by Month
History of The US Minimum Wage - From The Very First Minimum Wage

Who the fuck wants to live their life earning the minimum wage dumb ass. You idiots think bumping the minimum wage up a few bucks is a solution, pathetic. How about generating jobs that pay triple the minimum wage so people can have a decent life. God but liberals are dumb as a brick.

Point of that article is that all the expensive job training in the world will not raise the productivity of an 85 IQ individual to $22/hr. Biology is destiny in that regard. Far better to retain low wage factory work in America and allow these people the self-respect of paying their own way than to herd them into welfare ghettos. BTW, it would help the general society also if the neoconning progressive pattern of easy divorce for the masses were reversed to about 1940.

And my point is that person need not be destined to a life of low wages, you can train that person to do a manufacturing job that can afford to pay them a decent wage. Manufacturing is KING, that liberals shit on manufacturing jobs makes me want to punch them right in their big fat stupid lying mouth.

I think you've identified a false target if you think that liberals shit on manufacturing jobs. They're much more likely to shit on the corporate leaders who send those manufacturing jobs overseas to be performed in sweatshops by virtual slaves. Where you might have gotten this false impression is that liberals have taken to ridiculing right wingers who insist day after day, year after year, election after election that the 'free market' is someday going to come through for them and many of these wingers are in the manufacturing sector.

 

[rahtruelies]

And the conservatives total distaste for raising the minimum wage doesn't hurt the working class?
They love to claim that raising the minimum wage causes inflation and spikes the unemployment rate.
Yet, that has never happened.
Below are links to, historical unemployment rates, CPI rates and the dates when the minimum wage was raised. Go ahead prove me wrong, there has never been a spike in unepmoyment or inflation when the minimum wage was raised. And also prove to me that raising the minimum wage, doesn't have a ripple effect for higher wages/incomes for the middle class workers.
Consumer Price Index, 1913- | Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis
US Unemployment Rate by Month
History of The US Minimum Wage - From The Very First Minimum Wage

Who the fuck wants to live their life earning the minimum wage dumb ass. You idiots think bumping the minimum wage up a few bucks is a solution, pathetic. How about generating jobs that pay triple the minimum wage so people can have a decent life. God but liberals are dumb as a brick.

Point of that article is that all the expensive job training in the world will not raise the productivity of an 85 IQ individual to $22/hr. Biology is destiny in that regard. Far better to retain low wage factory work in America and allow these people the self-respect of paying their own way than to herd them into welfare ghettos. BTW, it would help the general society also if the neoconning progressive pattern of easy divorce for the masses were reversed to about 1940.

And my point is that person need not be destined to a life of low wages, you can train that person to do a manufacturing job that can afford to pay them a decent wage. Manufacturing is KING, that liberals shit on manufacturing jobs makes me want to punch them right in their big fat stupid lying mouth.

I think you've identified a false target if you think that liberals shit on manufacturing jobs. They're much more likely to shit on the corporate leaders who send those manufacturing jobs overseas to be performed in sweatshops by virtual slaves. Where you might have gotten this false impression is that liberals have taken to ridiculing right wingers who insist day after day, year after year, election after election that the 'free market' is someday going to come through for them and many of these wingers are in the manufacturing sector.

I have simply watched barry in action. fool.

 

[JoeNormal]

And the conservatives total distaste for raising the minimum wage doesn't hurt the working class?
They love to claim that raising the minimum wage causes inflation and spikes the unemployment rate.
Yet, that has never happened.
Below are links to, historical unemployment rates, CPI rates and the dates when the minimum wage was raised. Go ahead prove me wrong, there has never been a spike in unepmoyment or inflation when the minimum wage was raised. And also prove to me that raising the minimum wage, doesn't have a ripple effect for higher wages/incomes for the middle class workers.
Consumer Price Index, 1913- | Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis
US Unemployment Rate by Month
History of The US Minimum Wage - From The Very First Minimum Wage

Who the fuck wants to live their life earning the minimum wage dumb ass. You idiots think bumping the minimum wage up a few bucks is a solution, pathetic. How about generating jobs that pay triple the minimum wage so people can have a decent life. God but liberals are dumb as a brick.

Point of that article is that all the expensive job training in the world will not raise the productivity of an 85 IQ individual to $22/hr. Biology is destiny in that regard. Far better to retain low wage factory work in America and allow these people the self-respect of paying their own way than to herd them into welfare ghettos. BTW, it would help the general society also if the neoconning progressive pattern of easy divorce for the masses were reversed to about 1940.

And my point is that person need not be destined to a life of low wages, you can train that person to do a manufacturing job that can afford to pay them a decent wage. Manufacturing is KING, that liberals shit on manufacturing jobs makes me want to punch them right in their big fat stupid lying mouth.

I think you've identified a false target if you think that liberals shit on manufacturing jobs. They're much more likely to shit on the corporate leaders who send those manufacturing jobs overseas to be performed in sweatshops by virtual slaves. Where you might have gotten this false impression is that liberals have taken to ridiculing right wingers who insist day after day, year after year, election after election that the 'free market' is someday going to come through for them and many of these wingers are in the manufacturing sector.

I have simply watched barry in action. fool.

And since he bailed out the car companies (the biggest manufacturing channel in the country) you've concluded that liberals shit on manufacturing. Brilliant!