The John Kennedy assassination ..who's who on the Grassy Knoll

[7forever]

http://www.amazon.com/We-Were-There-...r_pr_orig_subj

It's little pieces of truth like this that make the internet so awesome. It is only logical that many people would have been willing say they saw the driver shoot jfk. This is one of the most obvious facts exposing government evil that has been found thus far. Imagining a world with more truth thrashing such as this is much less a dream than ever before. It's a real possibility if the willingness can extend significantly outward. Somebody refers to a specific person and the front excludes the grassy snow job. Greer provided an ironic photo a billion times over if the image was taken after the assassination?

In the Introduction, on page xiii, the author writes: "Late in this project, I came upon a startling revelation in Dr. Ron Jones's oral history. After taking his Warren Commission deposition at Parkland, chief counsel Arlen Specter told Ronald Coy Jones, https://www.google.com/search?q=rona...0QsAQ#imgdii=_

"We have people who would testify that they saw somebody shoot the president from the front. But we don't want to interview them, and I don't want you to say anything about that, either."

Nothing of value here December 28, 2013

By Alexander J. Marciniszyn

Format:Hardcover

In the Introduction, on page xiii, the author writes: "Late in this project, I came upon a startling revelation in Dr. Ron Jones's oral history. After taking his Warren Commission deposition at Parkland, chief counsel Arlen Specter told Jones, 'We have people who would testify that they saw somebody shoot the president from the front. But we don't want to interview them, and I don't want you to say anything about that, either.'" Not much of a revelation to anyone who's studied the Kennedy assassination in depth. This author just throws up his hands in a "what is history and what is real or not?" kind of way at the end.

Get a copy of Trauma Room One by Dr. Charles Crenshaw. Steer clear of this one.

 

[7forever]

The driver shot jfk with a handgun, likely a 38 revolver fired from 6-8 feet in front of the President. The violent thrashing backwards was caused by the close range shot. That is McClelland's drawing of the exit wound.

John F. Kennedy Assassination Homepage :: Warren Commission :: Hearings :: Volume VI :: Page 38

This interview leaves no doubt about the right rear being blasted out and Greer's close range shot with a high velocity handgun. This silly interviewer quickly changes the subject after cerebellum falling out is brought to light.

Dr. Mcclelland. I think even then you could make the statement that this wound could have resulted from this type bullet fired through this particular mass of soft tissue, losing that much velocity before it exited from the body. Where you would expect to see this really great hole that is left behind would be, for instance, from a very high velocity missile fired at close range with a heavy caliber bullet, such as a .45 pistol fired at close range, which would make a small entrance hole, relatively, and particularly if it entered some portion of the anatomy such as the head, where there was a sudden change in density from the brain to the skull cavity, as it entered. As it left the body, it would still have a great deal of force behind it and would blow up a large segment of tissue as it exited.

But I don't think the bullet of this nature fired from that distance and going through this large area of homogenous soft tissue would necessarily make the usual kind of exit wound like I just described, with a close range high velocity heavy caliber bullet. This is why it would be difficult to say with certainty as has been implied in some newspaper articles that quoted me, that you could tell for sure that this was an entrance or an exit wound. I think this was blown up a good deal.

Testimony Of Dr. Robert Nelson Mcclelland

THE EXIT WOUND EXTENDED TO THE BOTTOM OF THE OCCIPITAL BONE. The force of the bullet pushed up the top of the head, but the bullet exited the right rear, as has been factual for many decades. That is McCLELLAND'S drawing of the rear blow-out. https://www.google.com/search?q=dr+m...w=1536&bih=748

Mr. SPECTER - Before proceeding to describe what you did in connection with the tracheostomy, will you more fully describe your observation with respect to the head wound?

Dr. McCLELLAND - As I took the position at the head of the table that I have already described, to help out with the tracheotomy, I was in such a position that I could very closely examine the head wound, and I noted that the right posterior portion of the skull had been extremely blasted. It had been shattered, apparently, by the force of the shot so that the parietal bone was protruded up through the scalp and seemed to be fractured almost along its right posterior half, as well as some of the occipital bone being fractured in its lateral haft, and this sprung open the bones that I mentioned in such a way that you could actually look down into the skull cavity itself and see that probably a third or so, at least, of the brain tissue, posterior cerebral tissue and some of the cerebellar tissue had been blasted out. There was a large amount of bleeding which was occurring mainly from the large venous channels in the skull which had been blasted open.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Q1lYifmUXA

 

[daws101]

The driver shot jfk with a handgun, likely a 38 revolver fired from 6-8 feet in front of the President. The violent thrashing backwards was caused by the close range shot. That is McClelland's drawing of the exit wound.

John F. Kennedy Assassination Homepage :: Warren Commission :: Hearings :: Volume VI :: Page 38

This interview leaves no doubt about the right rear being blasted out and Greer's close range shot with a high velocity handgun. This silly interviewer quickly changes the subject after cerebellum falling out is brought to light.

Dr. Mcclelland. I think even then you could make the statement that this wound could have resulted from this type bullet fired through this particular mass of soft tissue, losing that much velocity before it exited from the body. Where you would expect to see this really great hole that is left behind would be, for instance, from a very high velocity missile fired at close range with a heavy caliber bullet, such as a .45 pistol fired at close range, which would make a small entrance hole, relatively, and particularly if it entered some portion of the anatomy such as the head, where there was a sudden change in density from the brain to the skull cavity, as it entered. As it left the body, it would still have a great deal of force behind it and would blow up a large segment of tissue as it exited.

But I don't think the bullet of this nature fired from that distance and going through this large area of homogenous soft tissue would necessarily make the usual kind of exit wound like I just described, with a close range high velocity heavy caliber bullet. This is why it would be difficult to say with certainty as has been implied in some newspaper articles that quoted me, that you could tell for sure that this was an entrance or an exit wound. I think this was blown up a good deal.

Testimony Of Dr. Robert Nelson Mcclelland

THE EXIT WOUND EXTENDED TO THE BOTTOM OF THE OCCIPITAL BONE. The force of the bullet pushed up the top of the head, but the bullet exited the right rear, as has been factual for many decades. That is McCLELLAND'S drawing of the rear blow-out. https://www.google.com/search?q=dr+m...w=1536&bih=748

Mr. SPECTER - Before proceeding to describe what you did in connection with the tracheostomy, will you more fully describe your observation with respect to the head wound?

Dr. McCLELLAND - As I took the position at the head of the table that I have already described, to help out with the tracheotomy, I was in such a position that I could very closely examine the head wound, and I noted that the right posterior portion of the skull had been extremely blasted. It had been shattered, apparently, by the force of the shot so that the parietal bone was protruded up through the scalp and seemed to be fractured almost along its right posterior half, as well as some of the occipital bone being fractured in its lateral haft, and this sprung open the bones that I mentioned in such a way that you could actually look down into the skull cavity itself and see that probably a third or so, at least, of the brain tissue, posterior cerebral tissue and some of the cerebellar tissue had been blasted out. There was a large amount of bleeding which was occurring mainly from the large venous channels in the skull which had been blasted open.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Q1lYifmUXA

 

[7forever]

The driver shot jfk with a handgun, likely a 38 revolver fired from 6-8 feet in front of the President. The violent thrashing backwards was caused by the close range shot. That is McClelland's drawing of the exit wound.

John F. Kennedy Assassination Homepage :: Warren Commission :: Hearings :: Volume VI :: Page 38

Oswald was a patsy and most americans know and accept that. He called himself a patsy on live television.

 

[Rat in the Hat]

The driver shot jfk with a handgun, likely a 38 revolver fired from 6-8 feet in front of the President. The violent thrashing backwards was caused by the close range shot. That is McClelland's drawing of the exit wound.

John F. Kennedy Assassination Homepage :: Warren Commission :: Hearings :: Volume VI :: Page 38

Oswald was a patsy and most americans know and accept that. He called himself a patsy on live television.

Of course Oswald was a patsy. I killed JFK. In the library. With a candlestick.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

two farts in a row from the agents trolls^

Secret Service abandoning his car just moments before he was shot - some say in the front/face possibly by SS limo driver.



I concur. I did not know that about Mrs. Johnson. I do agree that the limousine driver fired the fatal shot. I've watched the Zapruder film many times and I believe it was the limo driver.

• The mainstream media has edited the assassination as they do everything else. The hand is quicker then the eye, so If you look very very closely at the driver of the presidential limo, you will see the driver look back at the Kennedy's and see that the driver notices JFK is still alive after the first bullet hits him in his neck, but look at the driver again who turns around a second time and fires what looks to be a 12 gage pistol, fires the weapon and blows JFK's brains apart. JFK's head snaps back from the impact and it ultimately kills him. The Warren Commission asked the driver how many times did you look back after the first shot, he replied that he only looked back once. The video shows he looked back twice.
  
  
  
• the truth is becoming more and more well known all the time by more and more people and the handlers of rat in the ass and dawgshit,their getting worried sending them here to troll and fart in this thread all the time

 

[Faun]

two farts in a row from the agents trolls^

Secret Service abandoning his car just moments before he was shot - some say in the front/face possibly by SS limo driver.



I concur. I did not know that about Mrs. Johnson. I do agree that the limousine driver fired the fatal shot. I've watched the Zapruder film many times and I believe it was the limo driver.

• The mainstream media has edited the assassination as they do everything else. The hand is quicker then the eye, so If you look very very closely at the driver of the presidential limo, you will see the driver look back at the Kennedy's and see that the driver notices JFK is still alive after the first bullet hits him in his neck, but look at the driver again who turns around a second time and fires what looks to be a 12 gage pistol, fires the weapon and blows JFK's brains apart. JFK's head snaps back from the impact and it ultimately kills him. The Warren Commission asked the driver how many times did you look back after the first shot, he replied that he only looked back once. The video shows he looked back twice.
  
  
  
• the truth is becoming more and more well known all the time by more and more people and the handlers of rat in the ass and dawgshit,their getting worried sending them here to troll and fart in this thread all the time

I must admit it's rather adorable how you post this shit like it's real and you're not insane; as though it's the rest of the world that just doesn't get it.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

someone farted in here.^

 

[LA RAM FAN]

just like the handlers of aent dawgshit and rat in the ass are getting worried the truth is coming out,like them,your hanlders are worried as well more and more people are waking up that it was the drive that shot him and they are sending you here to troll in hopes of trying to derail this thread as well.your hanlders just like agents dawgshit and rightwinger,can go fuck themselves as well,you can tell tham that that i said that.they sure pay you guys a lot for your constant ass beatings you get here all the time.

 

[Rat in the Hat]

just like the handlers of aent dawgshit and rat in the ass are getting worried the truth is coming out,like them,your hanlders are worried as well more and more people are waking up that it was the drive that shot him and they are sending you here to troll in hopes of trying to derail this thread as well.your hanlders just like agents dawgshit and rightwinger,can go fuck themselves as well,you can tell tham that that i said that.they sure pay you guys a lot for your constant ass beatings you get here all the time.

So you are lying about having us on ignore. If you really did, you wouldn't even know we had posted.

A lying "Truther". Talk about hypocrisy.

 

[daws101]

just like the handlers of aent dawgshit and rat in the ass are getting worried the truth is coming out,like them,your hanlders are worried as well more and more people are waking up that it was the drive that shot him and they are sending you here to troll in hopes of trying to derail this thread as well.your hanlders just like agents dawgshit and rightwinger,can go fuck themselves as well,you can tell tham that that i said that.they sure pay you guys a lot for your constant ass beatings you get here all the time.

if you needed any more proof handjob is a raving nut sack .
the following should lock it up: "your hanlders just like agents dawgshit and rightwinger,can go fuck themselves as well,you can tell tham that that i said that.they sure pay you guys a lot for your constant ass beatings you get here all the time."- HANDJOB

 

[7forever]

The Smell of Gunsmoke at Street Level http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/in...pic=19251&st=0

In addition to the eyewitnesses and ear witnesses, there were also nose witnesses to the murder.

Those who smelled gunpowder at the scene of the shooting helped to pinpoint the source of the shots. Placed on a map (Fig. 3-7), they were within the path of the motorcade or near Elm St. The motorcade headed west down Elm St. into a modest breeze.

Motorcycle escort officer Billy J. Martin, riding one half car length from the left rear fender of the Presidential limousine, recalled, "You could smell the gunpowder…you knew he wasn't far away. When you're that close you can smell the powder burning, why you - you've got to be pretty close to them…you could smell the gunpowder…right there in the street."

“Nose” witnesses

Senator Ralph W. Yarborough rode in the second car behind the limousine. He smelled gunpowder in the street and said it clung to the car throughout the race to Parkland Hospital.

Two cars behind Yarborough was the Cabell car. Mrs. Cabell said that she "…was acutely aware of the odor of gunpowder." She added that Congressman Ray Roberts, seated next to her, had mentioned it also.

According to Tom C. Dillard, two cars behind the Cabell car, he "…very definitely smelled gunpowder when the cars moved up at the corner of Elm and Houston Streets."

Vergie Rackley stood in front of the depository building. "She recalled that after the second shot she smelled gunsmoke…"

At the time of the shots, patrolman Joe M. Smith moved from the intersection of Elm and Houston Streets toward the triple underpass. When interviewed at that time, he stated that he smelled gunpowder near the underpass.

Patrolman Earle V. Brown, stationed 100 yards west of the underpass, stated that he heard the shots and then smelled gunpowder as the car sped beneath him.

A police officer who was on the sixth floor of the depository shortly after the shooting failed to smell any gunpowder there.

One newspaper summed it up: "…seconds later the cavalcade was gone. The area still reeked with the smell of gunpowder." Shots from the sixth floor of the depository building would have caused no gunpowder smell in the street. Murder from Within: Lyndon Johnson's Plot Against President Kennedy: Fred T. Newcomb: 9781463422424: Amazon.com: Books

 

[7forever]

PressTV - New studies: ?Conspiracy theorists? sane; government dupes crazy, hostile

Recent studies by psychologists and social scientists in the US and UK suggest that contrary to mainstream media stereotypes, those labeled “conspiracy theorists” appear to be saner than those who accept the official versions of contested events.

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Jul 12, 2013

The most recent study was published on July 8th by psychologists Michael J. Wood and Karen M. Douglas of the University of Kent (UK). Entitled “What about Building 7? A social psychological study of online discussion of 9/11 conspiracy theories,” the study compared “conspiracist” (pro-conspiracy theory) and “conventionalist” (anti-conspiracy) comments at news websites.

The authors were surprised to discover that it is now more conventional to leave so-called conspiracist comments than conventionalist ones: “Of the 2174 comments collected, 1459 were coded as conspiracist and 715 as conventionalist.” In other words, among people who comment on news articles, those who disbelieve government accounts of such events as 9/11 and the JFK assassination outnumber believers by more than two to one. That means it is the pro-conspiracy commenters who are expressing what is now the conventional wisdom, while the anti-conspiracy commenters are becoming a small, beleaguered minority.

Perhaps because their supposedly mainstream views no longer represent the majority, the anti-conspiracy commenters often displayed anger and hostility: “The research… showed that people who favoured the official account of 9/11 were generally more hostile when trying to persuade their rivals.”

Additionally, it turned out that the anti-conspiracy people were not only hostile, but fanatically attached to their own conspiracy theories as well. According to them, their own theory of 9/11 - a conspiracy theory holding that 19 Arabs, none of whom could fly planes with any proficiency, pulled off the crime of the century under the direction of a guy on dialysis in a cave in Afghanistan - was indisputably true. The so-called conspiracists, on the other hand, did not pretend to have a theory that completely explained the events of 9/11: “For people who think 9/11 was a government conspiracy, the focus is not on promoting a specific rival theory, but in trying to debunk the official account.”

In short, the new study by Wood and Douglas suggests that the negative stereotype of the conspiracy theorist - a hostile fanatic wedded to the truth of his own fringe theory - accurately describes the people who defend the official account of 9/11, not those who dispute it.

Additionally, the study found that so-called conspiracists discuss historical context (such as viewing the JFK assassination as a precedent for 9/11) more than anti-conspiracists. It also found that the so-called conspiracists to not like to be called “conspiracists” or “conspiracy theorists.”

Both of these findings are amplified in the new book Conspiracy Theory in America by political scientist Lance deHaven-Smith, published earlier this year by the University of Texas Press. Professor deHaven-Smith explains why people don’t like being called “conspiracy theorists”: The term was invented and put into wide circulation by the CIA to smear and defame people questioning the JFK assassination! “The CIA’s campaign to popularize the term ‘conspiracy theory’ and make conspiracy belief a target of ridicule and hostility must be credited, unfortunately, with being one of the most successful propaganda initiatives of all time.”

In other words, people who use the terms “conspiracy theory” and “conspiracy theorist” as an insult are doing so as the result of a well-documented, undisputed, historically-real conspiracy by the CIA to cover up the JFK assassination. That campaign, by the way, was completely illegal, and the CIA officers involved were criminals; the CIA is barred from all domestic activities, yet routinely breaks the law to conduct domestic operations ranging from propaganda to assassinations.

DeHaven-Smith also explains why those who doubt official explanations of high crimes are eager to discuss historical context. He points out that a very large number of conspiracy claims have turned out to be true, and that there appear to be strong relationships between many as-yet-unsolved “state crimes against democracy.” An obvious example is the link between the JFK and RFK assassinations, which both paved the way for presidencies that continued the Vietnam War. According to DeHaven-Smith, we should always discuss the “Kennedy assassinations” in the plural, because the two killings appear to have been aspects of the same larger crime.

Psychologist Laurie Manwell of the University of Guelph agrees that the CIA-designed “conspiracy theory” label impedes cognitive function. She points out, in an article published in American Behavioral Scientist (2010), that anti-conspiracy people are unable to think clearly about such apparent state crimes against democracy as 9/11 due to their inability to process information that conflicts with pre-existing belief.

In the same issue of ABS, University of Buffalo professor Steven Hoffman adds that anti-conspiracy people are typically prey to strong “confirmation bias” - that is, they seek out information that confirms their pre-existing beliefs, while using irrational mechanisms (such as the “conspiracy theory” label) to avoid conflicting information.

The extreme irrationality of those who attack “conspiracy theories” has been ably exposed by Communications professors Ginna Husting and Martin Orr of Boise State University. In a 2007 peer-reviewed article entitled “Dangerous Machinery: ‘Conspiracy Theorist’ as a Transpersonal Strategy of Exclusion,” they wrote:

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“If I call you a conspiracy theorist, it matters little whether you have actually claimed that a conspiracy exists or whether you have simply raised an issue that I would rather avoid… By labeling you, I strategically exclude you from the sphere where public speech, debate, and conflict occur.”
But now, thanks to the internet, people who doubt official stories are no longer excluded from public conversation; the CIA’s 44-year-old campaign to stifle debate using the “conspiracy theory” smear is nearly worn-out. In academic studies, as in comments on news articles, pro-conspiracy voices are now more numerous - and more rational - than anti-conspiracy ones.

 

[whitehall]

You almost gotta laugh. The guy who authorized Oswald to be welcomed back to the US and concocted the strangest invasion in history at the Bay of Pigs wasn't subpoenaed to appear before the Warren Commission. Former CIA director Allen Dulles who was fired by JFK was appointed to be a freaking member of the commission. No wonder low information Americans are still looking for the Grassy Knoll phantoms.

 

[7forever]

"The right side of his face was up. I could see his eyes were fixed. I could see into the skull, there was a hole in the skull. And you could see that part of the brain was gone. It wasn't even there."

 

[Rat in the Hat]

 

[7forever]

Take time to watch the film and review the investigation before you automatically assume this is impossible. Otherwise you can't really form an intelligent opinion.


•Pinky•

did you realize how long this thread is...

I didn't miss it the first time, but give it your best shot. How did Oswald shoot jfk in the back of the head while also causing the back of his head to blow-out? In other words the rear was an exit wound. This was confirmed by Boswell in 1996. This is your fantasy case to which you cannot explain because it's complete nonsense.

 

[daws101]

Take time to watch the film and review the investigation before you automatically assume this is impossible. Otherwise you can't really form an intelligent opinion.


•Pinky•

did you realize how long this thread is...

 

[Rat in the Hat]

Take time to watch the film and review the investigation before you automatically assume this is impossible. Otherwise you can't really form an intelligent opinion.


•Pinky•

did you realize how long this thread is...

I didn't miss it the first time, but give it your best shot. How did Oswald shoot jfk in the back of the head while also causing the back of his head to blow-out? In other words the rear was an exit wound. This was confirmed by Boswell in 1996. This is your fantasy case to which you cannot explain because it's complete nonsense.

 

[daws101]

ta daa !