The Israeli "Settlement" Myth And How Sinister It Is

[Phoenall]

The Muslim Quarter had a mixed population of Jews, Muslims and Christians.

Looking at this - it seems like the relative majorities in population demographics were constantly shifting: Demographic history of Jerusalem - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Hard to assess how many were land owners or not and I'm not sure that is a point worth making since Netanyahu finally admitted that this was a deliberate government policy of moving Arabs out and Jews in. Given that - what ethnic cleansing is going on in Jeruselum now?

Actually, it's a bit more complex because even non-Arab Jerusalem natives are struggling to stay due to the very high cost of housing and to live there so the city demographics are favoring a wealthy elite over the traditional mix.

You're trying to switch focus here by throwing out the very terms you object to when they are applied to Israel.

That's irrelevent. The point is - will there be room for a state for them when you "deem" them ready? And who is doing "ethnic cleansing" in the meantime?

Now you are being silly.

As I said read the charters and see who is being apartheid

Not me that sets the criteria but the UN, its charter and resolutions. They have stated that the arab muslims have to talk peace and mutual borders before they will be accepted as a full member of the UN.

Am I or is it a fact posted often by some of the more virulent team Palestine posters that the P.A. want the UN, US and EU to evict the Jews from Palestine so they can have it all. They have demanded the UN take action to force Israel to go back to borders that have never existed, they have demanded that the US have their power of veto removed and stop giving Israel aid. They have demanded that existing laws be scrapped and rewritten in favour of the Palestinian cause. They have lied on oath about what the Jews have done and have forced media to stop reporting bad things about hamas.

And some of the more virulent Team Israel posters want the Palestinians evicted and sent to other countries so Israel can have it all.

So what?

The UN is not going to do that with either the Israeli's or the Palestinians. The argument is what to do with the Occupied Territories and all the rest is just chicken little.

Not quite they want the recent illegal immigrants removed and deported back to where they belong.

They aren't illegal immigrants. Demographics show a multiple ethnic and religious groups inhabiting Jerusalem.

Obama has just made a speech along those lines because he knows that the Jews would be wiped out in 6 months if they were forced to return to the 1949 armistice lines. Don't be fooled by the 67 borders as this is what is really meant. If the UN was decent it would have removed the P.A. from the lists and told them that while they engage in terrorist attacks they will get no more support from the UN or its member states. Watch them start running to the peace table if this ever happens, and the UN grows a pair.

The 67 borders are a starting point for land swaps. Nothing wrong with that. Except...Netanyahu and his electorate have shown they don't want any Palestinian state while public opinion polls amongst Palestinians show a majority still support a two state solution.

The 2015 borders are the starting point.

Actually UN res 242 is the starting point and they arab muslims have to negotiate within its framework

 

[Phoenall]

Israel uses excessive force and annexation in Palestinian territories – UN report
30 September 2003 –
Israel is using excessive force in the occupied Palestinian territory (OPT), violating human rights in the name of counter-terrorism, and its building of a “separation wall” and expansion of settlements bear the hallmarks of annexation and illegal “conquest,” according to a United Nations human rights report released today.
United Nations News Centre - Israel uses excessive force and annexation in Palestinian territories UN report

BFD

The UN also claimed that Israel is the number one violator of women in the world despite women having full rights.

There was a woman prime minister, there are women as justices of the Supreme Court.

Let's compare this to the arab countries where women can't drive, vote, or even go out without a chaperone.

What the UN says is just vile hatred of Jews.

It's not an actual legitimate source.

Which is why UNWATCH was formed to make the public aware of the ANTI SEMITISM of the UNSC and UNGC

 

[Phoenall]

Can you provide a link to this "charter"?

Like these do you mean

Palestine Center - The Charter of the Hamas

The Avalon Project Hamas Covenant 1988

Hamas Covenant - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Palestinian National Covenant - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

A HRC 16 NGO 134 of 8 March 2011

Lets exclude Hamas, since they refuse to recognize Israel. Where the do the last to links specifically say that the Jews will not be allowed to live in Palestine ( includes Israel by the way ) unless they are residents of Palestine from before the inception of Zionism.

You can't exclude Hamas.

Hamas is the Gaza government, and they make up half the government in the West Bank.

I don't understand your question.

Also the Palestinian Authority is the same thing as Hamas except that the leader where's a tie and is more discreet about wanting to destroy all of Israel.

PA still regards hamas as a terrorist group. Now they ahve called on the arab world to attack hamas.

Rather odd since Hamas is part of their government in the West Bank.

Obviously what you stated isn't true.

It is just as Abbas engineered a backlash to hamas when he put the grievance to the ICJ. He knew the outcome would be hamas being guilty of war crimes

 

[Phoenall]

BFD

BF what?

The UN also claimed that Israel is the number one violator of women in the world despite women having full rights.

Not Arab women.

There was a woman prime minister, there are women as justices of the Supreme Court.

Not Arab women.

In fact, the Knesset wants to make a law barring Arab-Israeli's from becoming PM.

Let's compare this to the arab countries where women can't drive, vote, or even go out without a chaperone.

That's because of Israeli and US drones are flying overhead.

What the UN says is just vile hatred of Jews.

And when the UN told Israel to stop providing aid to apartheid South Africa, was that because of "...vile hatred of Jews"?

It's not an actual legitimate source.

Neither are you.

If they are Israeli citizens then they have full rights, unless you can link to an Israeli source that says otherwise ?

LINK

Was like that before the invention of flight

No it was because they wanted to bring down the apartheid regime, now they regret doing so.

What makes you think you are ?

 

[Phoenall]

Are you sure, as the arab muslim charters say it is, they specifically say that the Jews will not be allowed to live in Palestine ( includes Israel by the way ) unless they are residents of Palestine from before the inception of Zionism. Do yopu know of any 165 year old Jews ?

Can you provide a link to this "charter"?

Like these do you mean

Palestine Center - The Charter of the Hamas

The Avalon Project Hamas Covenant 1988

Hamas Covenant - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Palestinian National Covenant - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

A HRC 16 NGO 134 of 8 March 2011

Lets exclude Hamas, since they refuse to recognize Israel. Where the do the last to links specifically say that the Jews will not be allowed to live in Palestine ( includes Israel by the way ) unless they are residents of Palestine from before the inception of Zionism.

You can't exclude Hamas.

Hamas is the Gaza government, and they make up half the government in the West Bank.

I don't understand your question.

Also the Palestinian Authority is the same thing as Hamas except that the leader where's a tie and is more discreet about wanting to destroy all of Israel.

My question is specific to Phoenall's claim - so, I'd like to know it states: specifically say that the Jews will not be allowed to live in Palestine ( includes Israel by the way ) unless they are residents of Palestine from before the inception of Zionism

The PA is not the same as Hamas.

I already gave you the link that shows the changes to the PLO charter were never ratified, and so the original still stands to this day. The PLO/fatah cant get the required two thirds majority to even meet never mind change policy.

 

[Humanity]

As I said read the charters and see who is being apartheid

Not me that sets the criteria but the UN, its charter and resolutions. They have stated that the arab muslims have to talk peace and mutual borders before they will be accepted as a full member of the UN.

Am I or is it a fact posted often by some of the more virulent team Palestine posters that the P.A. want the UN, US and EU to evict the Jews from Palestine so they can have it all. They have demanded the UN take action to force Israel to go back to borders that have never existed, they have demanded that the US have their power of veto removed and stop giving Israel aid. They have demanded that existing laws be scrapped and rewritten in favour of the Palestinian cause. They have lied on oath about what the Jews have done and have forced media to stop reporting bad things about hamas.

And some of the more virulent Team Israel posters want the Palestinians evicted and sent to other countries so Israel can have it all.

So what?

The UN is not going to do that with either the Israeli's or the Palestinians. The argument is what to do with the Occupied Territories and all the rest is just chicken little.

Not quite they want the recent illegal immigrants removed and deported back to where they belong.

They aren't illegal immigrants. Demographics show a multiple ethnic and religious groups inhabiting Jerusalem.

Obama has just made a speech along those lines because he knows that the Jews would be wiped out in 6 months if they were forced to return to the 1949 armistice lines. Don't be fooled by the 67 borders as this is what is really meant. If the UN was decent it would have removed the P.A. from the lists and told them that while they engage in terrorist attacks they will get no more support from the UN or its member states. Watch them start running to the peace table if this ever happens, and the UN grows a pair.

The 67 borders are a starting point for land swaps. Nothing wrong with that. Except...Netanyahu and his electorate have shown they don't want any Palestinian state while public opinion polls amongst Palestinians show a majority still support a two state solution.

The 2015 borders are the starting point.

Actually UN res 242 is the starting point and they arab muslims have to negotiate within its framework

Thats funny....

When is Israel going to negotiate within this framework?

Isn't Israel the country with the greatest number of 'broken' UN Resolutions?

 

[Phoenall]

Can you provide a link to this "charter"?

Like these do you mean

Palestine Center - The Charter of the Hamas

The Avalon Project Hamas Covenant 1988

Hamas Covenant - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Palestinian National Covenant - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

A HRC 16 NGO 134 of 8 March 2011

Lets exclude Hamas, since they refuse to recognize Israel. Where the do the last to links specifically say that the Jews will not be allowed to live in Palestine ( includes Israel by the way ) unless they are residents of Palestine from before the inception of Zionism.

You can't exclude Hamas.

Hamas is the Gaza government, and they make up half the government in the West Bank.

I don't understand your question.

Also the Palestinian Authority is the same thing as Hamas except that the leader where's a tie and is more discreet about wanting to destroy all of Israel.

My question is specific to Phoenall's claim - so, I'd like to know it states: specifically say that the Jews will not be allowed to live in Palestine ( includes Israel by the way ) unless they are residents of Palestine from before the inception of Zionism

The PA is not the same as Hamas.

I already gave you the link that shows the changes to the PLO charter were never ratified, and so the original still stands to this day. The PLO/fatah cant get the required two thirds majority to even meet never mind change policy.

professional pirates and land thieves

Do explain how you can steal your own land ?

 

[Phoenall]

And some of the more virulent Team Israel posters want the Palestinians evicted and sent to other countries so Israel can have it all.

So what?

The UN is not going to do that with either the Israeli's or the Palestinians. The argument is what to do with the Occupied Territories and all the rest is just chicken little.

Not quite they want the recent illegal immigrants removed and deported back to where they belong.

They aren't illegal immigrants. Demographics show a multiple ethnic and religious groups inhabiting Jerusalem.

Obama has just made a speech along those lines because he knows that the Jews would be wiped out in 6 months if they were forced to return to the 1949 armistice lines. Don't be fooled by the 67 borders as this is what is really meant. If the UN was decent it would have removed the P.A. from the lists and told them that while they engage in terrorist attacks they will get no more support from the UN or its member states. Watch them start running to the peace table if this ever happens, and the UN grows a pair.

The 67 borders are a starting point for land swaps. Nothing wrong with that. Except...Netanyahu and his electorate have shown they don't want any Palestinian state while public opinion polls amongst Palestinians show a majority still support a two state solution.

The 2015 borders are the starting point.

Actually UN res 242 is the starting point and they arab muslims have to negotiate within its framework

Thats funny....

When is Israel going to negotiate within this framework?

Isn't Israel the country with the greatest number of 'broken' UN Resolutions?

They have done so since 1967, it is the arab muslims that refuse to negotiate

Brought by islamonazi nations and as you know UN resolutions are not laws, just recommendations.

 

[Phoenall]

Like these do you mean

Palestine Center - The Charter of the Hamas

The Avalon Project Hamas Covenant 1988

Hamas Covenant - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Palestinian National Covenant - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

A HRC 16 NGO 134 of 8 March 2011

Lets exclude Hamas, since they refuse to recognize Israel. Where the do the last to links specifically say that the Jews will not be allowed to live in Palestine ( includes Israel by the way ) unless they are residents of Palestine from before the inception of Zionism.

You can't exclude Hamas.

Hamas is the Gaza government, and they make up half the government in the West Bank.

I don't understand your question.

Also the Palestinian Authority is the same thing as Hamas except that the leader where's a tie and is more discreet about wanting to destroy all of Israel.

My question is specific to Phoenall's claim - so, I'd like to know it states: specifically say that the Jews will not be allowed to live in Palestine ( includes Israel by the way ) unless they are residents of Palestine from before the inception of Zionism

The PA is not the same as Hamas.

It's the same government.

Are Republicans and Democrats the same?

Depends on the criteria you use ?

 

[Dogmaphobe]

What the UN says is just vile hatred of Jews.

It's not an actual legitimate source.

Antisemites like those in this thread love to reference the U.N. whenever it can act to back up their ethnic hatred. They operate on the principle that what makes something right or wrong has nothing to do with it's actual merit, but only by whether the majority is capable of wielding its will upon the minority. Now, ignoring the antisemites in this thread who are downright insane, even the sane one falls for the fallacy of the appeal to popularity and the appeal to authority.

If one were to place 100 members of the kkk in a room with 1 black person and require them to pass resolutions, I'm sure these same antisemites would point to the validity of such resolutions, right? After all, any august body that passes a resolution such as the infamous "Zionism is racism" debacle can't possibly have any ethnic malice to it, can it? Goodness, if the very creation of a state to express the same sort of self-determination for one people as exists for any other is "racist", then why were no resolutions passed stating that France is racist for being the French state or Finland for the Fins, eh?

People who are both intelligent and non-prejudiced see right through this crap and understand it for what it is -- the persecution of a tiny minority at the hands of a huge majority. True liberals defend the tiny minority against such persecution. The insane antisemites are incapable of any sort of reason, of course, but even the sane ones such as those in his thread fail the test when it comes to understanding the social dynamics involved in terms of the majority persecuting the minority -- even as they try to foist the ridiculous notion that their antisemitism is somehow actually liberal.

 

[Phoenall]

As I said read the charters and see who is being apartheid

Not me that sets the criteria but the UN, its charter and resolutions. They have stated that the arab muslims have to talk peace and mutual borders before they will be accepted as a full member of the UN.

Am I or is it a fact posted often by some of the more virulent team Palestine posters that the P.A. want the UN, US and EU to evict the Jews from Palestine so they can have it all. They have demanded the UN take action to force Israel to go back to borders that have never existed, they have demanded that the US have their power of veto removed and stop giving Israel aid. They have demanded that existing laws be scrapped and rewritten in favour of the Palestinian cause. They have lied on oath about what the Jews have done and have forced media to stop reporting bad things about hamas.

And some of the more virulent Team Israel posters want the Palestinians evicted and sent to other countries so Israel can have it all.

So what?

The UN is not going to do that with either the Israeli's or the Palestinians. The argument is what to do with the Occupied Territories and all the rest is just chicken little.

Not quite they want the recent illegal immigrants removed and deported back to where they belong.

They aren't illegal immigrants. Demographics show a multiple ethnic and religious groups inhabiting Jerusalem.

Obama has just made a speech along those lines because he knows that the Jews would be wiped out in 6 months if they were forced to return to the 1949 armistice lines. Don't be fooled by the 67 borders as this is what is really meant. If the UN was decent it would have removed the P.A. from the lists and told them that while they engage in terrorist attacks they will get no more support from the UN or its member states. Watch them start running to the peace table if this ever happens, and the UN grows a pair.

The 67 borders are a starting point for land swaps. Nothing wrong with that. Except...Netanyahu and his electorate have shown they don't want any Palestinian state while public opinion polls amongst Palestinians show a majority still support a two state solution.

1922 treaty granted the land of Palestine to the Jews by its legal owners. The arab muslims were invited to stay in peace or go as enemies by the LoN. So they are illegal immigrants

They were there legally to begin with. They were not illegal immigrants.

What treaty forced borders on Israel that they did not want, and were are the armed garrisons along those borders to stop the Israelis from reclaiming the land that is theirs by International law.

So you you think it's fine then for Putin to invade Ukraine and claim it?

Chalk and cheese as Israel was attacked and drove the enemy back, then occupied the territory as a defensive measure.
Does not answer the question were are the armed garrisons along those borders to stop the Israelis from reclaiming the land that is theirs by International law


The arab muslims were illegal immigrants trespassing on Israel's land, they refused to abide by the Mandate for Palestine rules making them illegal immigrants. You need to research International Law of the period

 

[Phoenall]

Well, the Jews were Europeans and they were colonists. There were hardly any Jews in Palestine and they were Arabs of the Jewish religion just as there were Christian Arabs. They spoke Arabic and were culturally Arab. The colonists from Europe went to Palestine and systematically removed the non-Jews. What is there to question?

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Jerusalem (After 1291)
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA Jerusalem After 1291

"...Present condition of the City: (1907 edition)

Jerusalem (El Quds) is the capital of a sanjak and the seat of a mutasarrif directly dependent on the Sublime Porte. In the administration of the sanjak the mutasarrif is assisted by a council called majlis ida ra; the city has a municipal government (majlis baladiye) presided over by a mayor. The total population is estimated at 66,000. The Turkish census of 1905, which counts only Ottoman subjects, gives these figures:
Jews, 45,000; Moslems, 8,000; Orthodox Christians, 6000; Latins, 2500; Armenians, 950; Protestants, 800; Melkites, 250; Copts, 150; Abyssinians, 100; Jacobites, 100; Catholic Syrians, 50. During the Nineteenth century large suburbs to the north and east have grown up, chiefly for the use of the Jewish colony. These suburbs contain nearly Half the present population...""

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Growth of Jerusalem 1838-Present

....... Jews Muslims Christians Total
1838 6,000 5,000 3,000 14,000
1844 7,120 5,760 3,390 16,270 ..... ..The First Official Ottoman Census
1876 12,000 7,560 5,470 25,030 .... .....Second """"""""""
1905 40,000 8,000 10,900 58,900 ....... Third/last, detailed in CathEncyc above
1948 99,320 36,680 31,300 167,300
1990 353,200 124,200 14,000 491,400
1992 385,000 150,000 15,000 550,000

http://www.testimony-magazine.org/jerusalem/bring.htm




WRONG AGAIN ABDUL

 

[Phoenall]

Are you sure, as the arab muslim charters say it is, they specifically say that the Jews will not be allowed to live in Palestine ( includes Israel by the way ) unless they are residents of Palestine from before the inception of Zionism. Do yopu know of any 165 year old Jews ?

Can you provide a link to this "charter"?

Like these do you mean

Palestine Center - The Charter of the Hamas

The Avalon Project Hamas Covenant 1988

Hamas Covenant - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Palestinian National Covenant - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

A HRC 16 NGO 134 of 8 March 2011

Lets exclude Hamas, since they refuse to recognize Israel. Where the do the last to links specifically say that the Jews will not be allowed to live in Palestine ( includes Israel by the way ) unless they are residents of Palestine from before the inception of Zionism.

How about the changes that were never ratified under the PLO rules of two thirds majority of full council to pass them



Although the PNC met in Gaza on 24 April 1996, it did not revoke or change the covenant, but only issued a statement saying that it had become aged, and that an undefined part of it would be rewritten at an undetermined date in the future. While the English language press release stated that the PLO Covenant was "hereby amended", the Arabic version of Yassir Arafat's letter on this declaration stated:

It has been decided upon: 1. Changing the Palestine National Charter by canceling the articles that are contrary to the letters exchanged between the PLO and the Government of Israel, on 9 and 10 September 1993. 2. The PNC will appoint a legal committee with the task of redrafting the National Charter. The Charter will be presented to the first meeting of the Central Council.

Formally, the resolution adopted by the council consisted of two simple clauses. The first declared that the council "decides to amend the Palestinian National Covenant by canceling clauses which contradict the letters exchanged between the P.L.O. and the Israeli Government." The second ordered a new charter to be drafted within six months

The decision fails to meet the obligations laid out in the Oslo accords in two respects. First, the actual amendment of the Covenant has been left for a future date. As of now, the old Covenant, in its original form, remains the governing document of the PLO, and will continue in this status until the amendments are actually approved... There is a sharp difference between calling for something to change and actually implementing the changes. Second, the decision does not specify which clauses will be amended.

So where does it say anything about Jews will not be allowed to live in Palestine ( including Israel ) unless they are residents of Palestine from before the inception of Zionism.

In the original PLO charter that was never amended, it is a PLO lie that says it was.


The Avalon Project The Palestinian National Charter

Read article 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and specially 6

 

[Phoenall]

UN fails to help women in need from syria, sudan or a dozen other countries, but it blames Israel for conditions in gaza?
Hamas is the only one that can help the women in gaza, or make life harder for them.

Are you mad?

A population under occupation, cannot decide what life is for themselves, the occupiers make all the decisions.

Again you ignore the hamas leadership that atates that gaza is not under occupation and has not been since August 2005. The UN being anti semitic does not see it this way.

 

[Jroc]

after 1948, the Jordanians attempted to obliterate the Jewish presence and signs of Jewish identity from the Old City, including the destruction of 53 synagogues along with Jewish academies and libraries. They built a road through the Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives, and used Jewish gravestones as paving material and lavatory seats in Jordanian camps. The Jordanians even evicted the Jewish residents of the Old City and subsequently prevented Jews and Israeli Moslems from entering the Old City to pray at the irrespective holy sites.

King Hussein Planned to "CLOSE" Western Wall

In 1967 King Hussein planned an Arab Luxury Hotel to be built along the site of the Western Wall. This would have FOREVER prevented Jews from approaching the "Wailing Wall" for prayers.

The construction of the hotel would have required the closing of the Morgrabi Gate so King Hussein made plans to open the "Eastern Gate". Dirt moving equipment, air hammers, crane, and other equipment had been moved inside the gate to prepare for construction and demolition of the "Eastern Gate".

 

[Humanity]

Not quite they want the recent illegal immigrants removed and deported back to where they belong.

They aren't illegal immigrants. Demographics show a multiple ethnic and religious groups inhabiting Jerusalem.

Obama has just made a speech along those lines because he knows that the Jews would be wiped out in 6 months if they were forced to return to the 1949 armistice lines. Don't be fooled by the 67 borders as this is what is really meant. If the UN was decent it would have removed the P.A. from the lists and told them that while they engage in terrorist attacks they will get no more support from the UN or its member states. Watch them start running to the peace table if this ever happens, and the UN grows a pair.

The 67 borders are a starting point for land swaps. Nothing wrong with that. Except...Netanyahu and his electorate have shown they don't want any Palestinian state while public opinion polls amongst Palestinians show a majority still support a two state solution.

The 2015 borders are the starting point.

Actually UN res 242 is the starting point and they arab muslims have to negotiate within its framework

Thats funny....

When is Israel going to negotiate within this framework?

Isn't Israel the country with the greatest number of 'broken' UN Resolutions?

They have done so since 1967, it is the arab muslims that refuse to negotiate

Brought by islamonazi nations and as you know UN resolutions are not laws, just recommendations.

Oh Phoney... You are such fun....

"Article 2 of the Charter of the United Nations requires all members to refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations."

United Nations Security Council Resolution 242 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[Phoenall]

They aren't illegal immigrants. Demographics show a multiple ethnic and religious groups inhabiting Jerusalem.

The 67 borders are a starting point for land swaps. Nothing wrong with that. Except...Netanyahu and his electorate have shown they don't want any Palestinian state while public opinion polls amongst Palestinians show a majority still support a two state solution.

The 2015 borders are the starting point.

Actually UN res 242 is the starting point and they arab muslims have to negotiate within its framework

Thats funny....

When is Israel going to negotiate within this framework?

Isn't Israel the country with the greatest number of 'broken' UN Resolutions?

They have done so since 1967, it is the arab muslims that refuse to negotiate

Brought by islamonazi nations and as you know UN resolutions are not laws, just recommendations.

Oh Phoney... You are such fun....

"Article 2 of the Charter of the United Nations requires all members to refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations."

United Nations Security Council Resolution 242 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Correct, but it does not say they cant respond to acts of violence and belligerence from that state.

You are even more fun posting a link that has nothing to do with your claims, so easy to show you are a complete illiterate

 

[Coyote]

Per discussion with the OP, we've moved this thread to the Structured Debate Zone. This is a new forum for many of you but one we encourage you all to try if you want a more structured debate but the topic, or desired rules might not fit into CDZ.

The overall rules are here: Guidelines for Posting in the Debate Now Forum Page 3 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

The rules for this discussion, as determined by Cmike are:

RULES FOR THIS DISCUSSION

1. Please stay reasonably on topic as expressed in the question to be discussed.

2. No ad hominem. Focus on the member's argument instead of on the member.

3. Rebut the other person's argument with your own opinion and sources if you disagree with it rather than objection to his/her sources or with demands that he/she provide documentation for his/her opinion or point of view. Opinion without sources is okay.

THE TOPICTO BE ADDRESSED: Jewish housing vs Jewish settlements

To me this sounds like ethnic cleansing.

There are muslim arabs in Jerusalem, Tel-Aviv, Haifa, and every major city in Israel.

Yet, the anti-Israel people demand that Jews not live in certain areas of Israel simply because they are Jews. It doesn't matter even if arab muslims sell housing to Jews, they are still not supposed to live there.

Even if you assume Judea and Samaria (the West Bank) isn't in the State of Israel, Jews can still live anywhere they wish.

Also, the Jews live in housing not settlements.

To me it sounds very Nazi like to demand that Jews not live anywhere simply because they are Jews.

From this point on, let's follow the topic guidelines. CMike let me know if you need anything changed in this.

 

[teddyearp]

The 67 borders are a starting point for land swaps. Nothing wrong with that. Except...Netanyahu and his electorate have shown they don't want any Palestinian state while public opinion polls amongst Palestinians show a majority still support a two state solution.

No, there is more wrong with that. You see, that is what Israel tried in 2005 with the Gaza strip, remember? That was a pullback to a 1967 border with Israel giving up all control.

Look how well that has worked out for them in the last 10 years. The whole thing is going to hell. I would say the Pals should count themselves lucky that Israel built a wall across the West Bank instead of just kicking their asses out!

 

[teddyearp]

BFD

BF what?

The UN also claimed that Israel is the number one violator of women in the world despite women having full rights.

Not Arab women.

There was a woman prime minister, there are women as justices of the Supreme Court.

Not Arab women.

In fact, the Knesset wants to make a law barring Arab-Israeli's from becoming PM.

Let's compare this to the arab countries where women can't drive, vote, or even go out without a chaperone.

That's because of Israeli and US drones are flying overhead.

What the UN says is just vile hatred of Jews.

And when the UN told Israel to stop providing aid to apartheid South Africa, was that because of "...vile hatred of Jews"?

It's not an actual legitimate source.

Neither are you.